Is our season effectively ended already?

[sufc4life21]

To realistically make the play offs we need good January transfer window...... we need to keep bim till the end of the season with 3 new signings, the 2 latest recruits look decent what iv seen. Golding step up from Crowther and kendall has struck up decent partnership with bim. Central midfield area needs addressing with attack minded midfielder added, also look at jack bridge replacement as bridge doesn't give us much going forward now and another centre forward wouldn't go miss either with Walker potentially out for some time and Waldron isn't upto national league standard. If we can recruit we'll in January then we have a chance.

 

[Benjamin]

Positives are we’re 5 points better off than last season with the point deduction and we’re still in the trophy and we weren’t this time last year so still all to play for

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

On paper, we have a chance, especially with the teams that we are due to play over the next couple of months but I just don't see it in us to beat anyone in the top 10 due to our sideways and stubborn tactics from the management.

We’ve already won away at the teams 6, 7 and 8th.

 

[Jai]

We’ve already won away at the teams 6, 7 and 8th.

Also I'm not sure how people think we have stubborn tactics. Yesterday we completely changed the way we play, I don't recall Collin playing it out from the back once. We went very direct rather than our usual passing football, allowing Braintree far more of the ball than was comfortable, particularly in the second half.

I do think we'll have a better 2nd half of the season than the first but a playoff challenge will rely on some good recruitment and players like Husin and Bridge picking up the form we know they are capable of.

Personally, I think we'll give it a good go and have a positive few months but it won't be enough.

 

[Shrimper]

8 points off Solihull?

Not impossible but need a good January.

If we can get 8 points or more from Halifax, Boston, Barnet and Dagenham then we still have a chance

 

[Leigh_Seasider]

To realistically make the play offs we need good January transfer window...... we need to keep bim till the end of the season with 3 new signings, the 2 latest recruits look decent what iv seen. Golding step up from Crowther and kendall has struck up decent partnership with bim. Central midfield area needs addressing with attack minded midfielder added, also look at jack bridge replacement as bridge doesn't give us much going forward now and another centre forward wouldn't go miss either with Walker potentially out for some time and Waldron isn't upto national league standard. If we can recruit we'll in January then we have a chance.

I think that’s harsh on Waldron personally. He’s not been awful for us and had an injury for a while which kept him out and probably pushed him down the pecking order. I saw a lot about his play I liked and think there’s certainly a player in there but he probably needs a run of games to build his fitness/confidence.

 

[SUFCGoals]

I’m not an expert but people keep banging on about this sideways only tactics is the most load of poppycock I’ve heard. People keep banging on about this but what a load of rubbish.

Would you rather play route one and lose the ball. Would rather keep the ball and recycle it and look for opportunities to break them down rather than giving the ball away.

Maybe look at the forwards or attacking players for lack of movement, that’s why the ball gets transitioned sideways.

Everyone makes football sound so simple Guess that’s why they’re professional football managers.

 

[Stuart W]

I’m not an expert but people keep banging on about this sideways only tactics is the most load of poppycock I’ve heard. People keep banging on about this but what a load of rubbish.

Would you rather play route one and lose the ball. Would rather keep the ball and recycle it and look for opportunities to break them down rather than giving the ball away.

Maybe look at the forwards or attacking players for lack of movement, that’s why the ball gets transitioned sideways.

Everyone makes football sound so simple Guess that’s why they’re professional football managers.

I don’t think anyone can criticise passing sideways or backwards when there is no obvious or clear ball forward. That is not the issue. The concern is when it is done in our own penalty area when the opposition have adopted a high press. We every so often adopt a kamikaze attitude of “let’s do a Man City and show how our ball playing defence can outpass the opposition whatever jeopardy we are in”.
Anyone can see that is high risk and low reward. I have yet to see us score a goal from that scenario either, but we have conceded and come close on a number of occasions. It is just a crazy option.

(Waits for the comment about it being the modern way etc etc).

 

[Shrimp and two veg]

I don’t think anyone can criticise passing sideways or backwards when there is no obvious or clear ball forward. That is not the issue. The concern is when it is done in our own penalty area when the opposition have adopted a high press. We every so often adopt a kamikaze attitude of “let’s do a Man City and show how our ball playing defence can outpass the opposition whatever jeopardy we are in”.
Anyone can see that is high risk and low reward. I have yet to see us score a goal from that scenario either, but we have conceded and come close on a number of occasions. It is just a crazy option.

(Waits for the comment about it being the modern way etc etc).

The goal with 30 passes against Tamworth

I agree in essence, though we just havent played like that recently, even York away where we fashioned chances with a quick break. Ebbsfleet was just a football lesson. I would say we were guilty of this pre-Rochdale away, though we have our moments of course but these are sporadic.
In my opinion.

 

[cerbera45]

Anyone can see that is high risk and low reward. I have yet to see us score a goal from that scenario either, but we have conceded and come close on a number of occasions. It is just a crazy option.

(Waits for the comment about it being the modern way etc etc).

Didn't we once score from a twenty-odd passing move?

I don't think imho that we have the striker's with the physical attributes of strength & pace to make a more "direct" style work

 

[SUFCGoals]

I don’t think anyone can criticise passing sideways or backwards when there is no obvious or clear ball forward. That is not the issue. The concern is when it is done in our own penalty area when the opposition have adopted a high press. We every so often adopt a kamikaze attitude of “let’s do a Man City and show how our ball playing defence can outpass the opposition whatever jeopardy we are in”.
Anyone can see that is high risk and low reward. I have yet to see us score a goal from that scenario either, but we have conceded and come close on a number of occasions. It is just a crazy option.

(Waits for the comment about it being the modern way etc etc).

That’s the modern way etc

 

[ColinMorrisWalksOnWater]

I think we are becoming a bit more flexible depending on the match and opposition.

Yesterday for instance, boggy, lumpy pitch and we went long from the back most of the time.

At home on a much better surface, we play shorter a bit more.

On the 3/4G pitches, although flat, the ball seems to roll a bit slower, especially that pitch at Dorking, with all the bits flying up too. Last season that was the surface we got caught out on, so I'd like to see us go a bit longer on the artificial pitches, but overall we are mixing it up a bit more, so compliments to the coaching staff for that.

 

[WillMay333]

I have absolutely zero issue with building up from the back, even if it costs us a goal from a mistake, because we are capable of doing it. Last season we did it with no squad and it worked. The issue I do have is the system we use, it doesnt seem like some of the players are capable of playing in that system. Or if we continously do the same things in-game that aren't working, theres little adaptability, hopefully as the right profiles come in we can chop and change in-game. Can see the difference in how comfy we are at the back already with Golding over Crowther.

 

[Stuart W]

Didn't we once score from a twenty-odd passing move?

I don't think imho that we have the striker's with the physical attributes of strength & pace to make a more "direct" style work

I never mentioned about always going direct. I have no problem with Colin rolling the ball out to an unmarked wing-back and taking it from there.
I am thinking of those occasions like when you have 2 defenders standing in the 6 yard box either side of the keeper, who passes to one and then it is returned (overhit normally) back to the keeper who then proceeds to do the same to the other defender, repeating this pointless and risky operation.
Great for the possession stats (when it comes off), which we all know mean absolutely zilch.
Otherwise it only suits opposition fans to watch this piece of comedy.

 

[uysapie]

A little early to write off your season, surely? Everyone knows anything can happen in football, that's what gives fans hope.

 

[PIERS]

the 'tamworth' goal was 25 odd passes of nothing, then a punt into to Pepple who turned his man superbly and slotted who ever scored in. the last 3 passes were relevant. the previous lot achieved nothing. it wasn't like we had broken thier defence apart.

Man City is the old way. Liverpool , Forest etc is the new way

 

[Sherif H]

Unless we sign a genuinely creative front-footed central midfielder, a replacement for Jack Bridge and another striker to give genuine competition to Bin and Kendall, then absolutely no chance.
We simply aren't consistent enough and we fall apart against any half decent side.

 

[Liam AAS]

Unless we sign a genuinely creative front-footed central midfielder, a replacement for Jack Bridge and another striker to give genuine competition to Bin and Kendall, then absolutely no chance.
We simply aren't consistent enough and we fall apart against any half decent side.

Do you think Bridge & Husin are done or just having poor seasons?

 

[cerbera45]

I never mentioned about always going direct. I have no problem with Colin rolling the ball out to an unmarked wing-back and taking it from there.
I am thinking of those occasions like when you have 2 defenders standing in the 6 yard box either side of the keeper, who passes to one and then it is returned (overhit normally) back to the keeper who then proceeds to do the same to the other defender, repeating this pointless and risky operation.

I didn't say that you did. I was just merely throwing in my own two peneth to the debate.

 

[Sherif H]

Do you think Bridge & Husin are done or just having poor seasons?

I think Husin is close to done - dare I say it, it feels like the free spirited 'libero' type player we saw initially has been coached to do something he isn't comfortable doing. I'm probably wrong but he is going backwards for sure.
Bridge...I wouldn't get rid. I would drop him for a few matches and bring him on as an impact sub to hopefully get him looking a bit sharper - he actually looks physically drained.