Is our season effectively ended already?

[blues exile]

Genuine question, but what's your realistic and achievable alternative to sustainability?

Firstly, let's stop using a word that was originally coined by the UN to describe the need to find a balance between environmental issues, the world economy and the interests of the world population. It has latterly been hijacked by some in the business community as a buzzword presumably because it implies a gravitas that a more everyday word like viability apparently lacks, but which is more meaningful.
So, to answer your question as to how I see the future of the club, quite simply COSU need to look through the right end of the telescope. It's a football club, not a multi-faceted entertainments giant. And that is where priorities should be based. Income from other sources is of course welcome but all the while the club languishes in the wilderness of the NL its prospects will inevitably diminish to the point where a city with a large population has a community asset of negligible value and only of interest to a small hardcore of supporters. The club's future is dependent of getting back to the EFL where opportunities to develop more income streams surely exist, so how is this to be done?.
For a start, a change of management to bring in an experienced, pragmatic team that have a vision of football that is both winning and entertaining. It would be disastrous to rely on the tired old routine of bringing back an old favourite inflated to the status of 'legend', we have all seen how that pans out. Maher is on borrowed time, his peevish and irritable manner when even mildly questioned shows a man under pressure who has run out of road.
As to the budget for these changes it does not have to be through the roof. Just proper DD as was the supposed model before this season's about turn.
As with the vast majority of profesional clubs we wil no doubt continue to be loss making and we can only hope that the consortium has the staying power and deep enough pockets to see this through and will learn fast how to fix the many problems they have inherited. The bigger question is of course how long can professional football continue in its present guise when losses throughout Europe are so colossal as to make the few millions we apparently owe or are losing look like small change.

 

[Napster]

Firstly, let's stop using a word that was originally coined by the UN to describe the need to find a balance between environmental issues, the world economy and the interests of the world population. It has latterly been hijacked by some in the business community as a buzzword presumably because it implies a gravitas that a more everyday word like viability apparently lacks, but which is more meaningful.

Bollocks

The term sustainability is derived from the Latin word sustinere. "To sustain" can mean to maintain, support, uphold, or endure. So sustainability is the ability to continue over a long period of time.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Bollocks

The term sustainability is derived from the Latin word sustinere. "To sustain" can mean to maintain, support, uphold, or endure. So sustainability is the ability to continue over a long period of time.

I really think it¡s about time you started to adress some of the arguments that blues exile makes, quite cogently ,instead of just dismissing them out of hand,as you tend to do.I realise that's how SM works but it's not very edifying.

 

[Grayson]

Firstly, let's stop using a word that was originally coined by the UN to describe the need to find a balance between environmental issues, the world economy and the interests of the world population. It has latterly been hijacked by some in the business community as a buzzword presumably because it implies a gravitas that a more everyday word like viability apparently lacks, but which is more meaningful.
So, to answer your question as to how I see the future of the club, quite simply COSU need to look through the right end of the telescope. It's a football club, not a multi-faceted entertainments giant. And that is where priorities should be based. Income from other sources is of course welcome but all the while the club languishes in the wilderness of the NL its prospects will inevitably diminish to the point where a city with a large population has a community asset of negligible value and only of interest to a small hardcore of supporters. The club's future is dependent of getting back to the EFL where opportunities to develop more income streams surely exist, so how is this to be done?.
For a start, a change of management to bring in an experienced, pragmatic team that have a vision of football that is both winning and entertaining. It would be disastrous to rely on the tired old routine of bringing back an old favourite inflated to the status of 'legend', we have all seen how that pans out. Maher is on borrowed time, his peevish and irritable manner when even mildly questioned shows a man under pressure who has run out of road.
As to the budget for these changes it does not have to be through the roof. Just proper DD as was the supposed model before this season's about turn.
As with the vast majority of profesional clubs we wil no doubt continue to be loss making and we can only hope that the consortium has the staying power and deep enough pockets to see this through and will learn fast how to fix the many problems they have inherited. The bigger question is of course how long can professional football continue in its present guise when losses throughout Europe are so colossal as to make the few millions we apparently owe or are losing look like small change.

Every single football club aims to make as much revenue as possible to fund a winning and entertaining team.

Every single manager aims to deliver that winning and entertaining team.

We do not get close to generating the most revenue in this league, despite having the most fans, because we generate next to nothing outside of matchday.

Player wages are the strongest correlation to on-field success. COSU are trying to increase our revenue in order to increase the wage bill and then increase our chances of success.

You can call it whatever you like, but most of what you say is the same strategy they have. You clearly have a different view on how they get there, which is fine.

 

[blues exile]

Bollocks

The term sustainability is derived from the Latin word sustinere. "To sustain" can mean to maintain, support, uphold, or endure. So sustainability is the ability to continue over a long period of time.

Thank you for your articulate and reasoned response. If you care to look at the OED website you will see that the word only came into common usage in the 1970s, for the reasons I explained in my previous post.

 

[Rattus Norvegicus]

I can't remember who described income for football clubs as prune juice but it is a cracking description.

The more that you have the more comes out the other end .................

 

[Swiss Tony]

I really think it¡s about time you started to adress some of the arguments that blues exile makes, quite cogently ,instead of just dismissing them out of hand,as you tend to do.Irealise that's how SM works but it's not very edifying.

Large parts of his post are spot on T it’s the attitude that grates mate.

 

[Blues4LifeDan]

There is so much to change and people have to accept that. I was in hospitality on Saturday in the D2 lounge and whilst they have done a good job, the whole place still needs blowing up. It's an absolute farce in those corridors. It's an embarrassment if I'm honest. There are clubs in leagues below us that have better. The guy that comes round to talk to the guests was saying how bad it is behind the scenes and how much debt was hidden that COSU probably didn't know about. Ron left it in a worst state that many of us will ever know. COSU are trying their best and need time.

Fans don't like to admit it, but clubs like Bromley have a better business model than us. They have 3 non-league stands but have one fantastic stand, which generates money all year round. That doesn't mean they are a better club than us, have better fans or a better history, but they are better run, it's a sobering fact. Now it would be easy to say, come on COSU knock down the east and build what Bromley have got. That would be a lot easier if COSU weren't paying an incredible amount of historic debt whilst also spending money on a stadium that is frankly not fit for purpose.

COSU have worked wonders thus far, but things are going to take a long time. Fans expecting instant success when we literally nearly died last year are in cuckoo land. Of course, we can do better on the pitch but hiring and firing when we are trying to generate stability is not the answer.

People will say Kev has had 3 years. No he hasn't. Yes he's been in charge for that long, but how many months of that did he work in normal circumstances. Imo, he needs to be judged from now. It's the first proper transfer window he's had without implications. He has earned that time since working miracles and winning manager of the season.

 

[Napster]

I really think it¡s about time you started to adress some of the arguments that blues exile makes, quite cogently ,instead of just dismissing them out of hand,as you tend to do.I realise that's how SM works but it's not very edifying.

He doesn't make them cogently. He uses patronising language, and tries to use long words when simpler ones will do. Anyway, I've blocked you again because life's too short.

 

[Napster]

Thank you for your articulate and reasoned response. If you care to look at the OED website you will see that the word only came into common usage in the 1970s, for the reasons I explained in my previous post.

LOL. Are you seriously suggesting that arguing about the concept and definition of sustainability suits your weird argument? In any case, I've blocked you again because life's too short.

 

[blues exile]

He doesn't make them cogently. He uses patronising language, and tries to use long words when simpler ones will do.

I think sustainability qualifies as one of the longest words you have used and one that I wouldn't

 

[rigsby]

his peevish and irritable manner when even mildly questioned shows a man under pressure who has run out of road

It would seem you and Kev have a lot in common after all.

 

[SuperRonnieP]

Firstly, let's stop using a word that was originally coined by the UN to describe the need to find a balance between environmental issues, the world economy and the interests of the world population. It has latterly been hijacked by some in the business community as a buzzword presumably because it implies a gravitas that a more everyday word like viability apparently lacks, but which is more meaningful.
So, to answer your question as to how I see the future of the club, quite simply COSU need to look through the right end of the telescope. It's a football club, not a multi-faceted entertainments giant. And that is where priorities should be based. Income from other sources is of course welcome but all the while the club languishes in the wilderness of the NL its prospects will inevitably diminish to the point where a city with a large population has a community asset of negligible value and only of interest to a small hardcore of supporters. The club's future is dependent of getting back to the EFL where opportunities to develop more income streams surely exist, so how is this to be done?.
For a start, a change of management to bring in an experienced, pragmatic team that have a vision of football that is both winning and entertaining. It would be disastrous to rely on the tired old routine of bringing back an old favourite inflated to the status of 'legend', we have all seen how that pans out. Maher is on borrowed time, his peevish and irritable manner when even mildly questioned shows a man under pressure who has run out of road.
As to the budget for these changes it does not have to be through the roof. Just proper DD as was the supposed model before this season's about turn.
As with the vast majority of profesional clubs. we wil no doubt continue to be loss making and we can only hope that the consortium has the staying power and deep enough pockets to see this through and will learn fast how to fix the many problems they have inherited. The bigger question is of course how long can professional football continue in its present guise when losses throughout Europe are so colossal as to make the few millions we apparently owe or are losing look like small change.

Thanks for your honest reply. With respect I'll continue to use the words that I think are appropriate.

I don't think COSU see the club as a multi-faceted entertainments giant. However, they do need to maximise income from club assets, which is what they've started to do. You have agreed in your reply that it makes sense for the club to do that. That process doesn't need to be at the expense of a competitive playing budget though, and I don't believe that it currently is.

You seem happy with the recruitment process previously outlined, as long as we go back to that, and are not calling for a massive increase in spending.

That just leaves the current management team, and your dislike of their playing style. So, in essence, the most important thing that you think COSU should do to safeguard the club's future is to replace Maher with a manager committed to a more entertaining style.

 

[blues exile]

It would seem you and Kev have a lot in common after all.

Care to explain?

 

[blues exile]

Thanks for your honest reply. With respect I'll continue to use the words that I think are appropriate.

I don't think COSU see the club as a multi-faceted entertainments giant. However, they do need to maximise income from club assets, which is what they've started to do. You have agreed in your reply that it makes sense for the club to do that. That process doesn't need to be at the expense of a competitive playing budget though, and I don't believe that it currently is.

You seem happy with the recruitment process previously outlined, as long as we go back to that, and are not calling for a massive increase in spending.

That just leaves the current management team, and your dislike of their playing style. So, in essence, the most important thing that you think COSU should do to safeguard the club's future is to replace Maher with a manager committed to a more entertaining style.

Thank for responding in the way you have. I think in essence we broadly agree on most of the issues. I would like to see a change of management as I feel we have gone as far as Maher can take us. I want to see an entertaining but more importantly a winning team along the lines that Paul Clark constantly advocates on his radio comments.

 

[blues exile]

And never donate a single penny to Shrimperzone.

You have no basis for that statement Withdraw it

 

[GBJ]

Well this has obviously run its course. Well played.