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[mrsblue]

I read the Bury owner borrowed the club 1 million at 100% interest rate,pay that back:winking:

 

[Medway Blue]

You are both looking at different things IMO

If Phil was given a top seven budget and acheived top seven then he has achieved what he should have done

If our income is 11th then as a club we have punched above our weight and have proabably added to our debt

Thats my point. If we're talking about "punching above/below weight" then it's budget that takes precedence for me. If budget is greater than our income should allow, then that's Ron's fault/problem and the income pales into relative insignificance for this argument. Phil was given a playoff budget and achieved playoffs.

 

[Tommy2holes]

I would estimate that our budget is distinctly mid table in this division as there are probably 8-10 clubs with better resources than us.

There are also things to take into consideration. Location can be both a blessing and a curse.

The south east and a closer proximity to London opens up the talent pool, but a 2kpw wage here goes much further at the likes of Bury where buying a house would be infinitely cheaper.

Of course budget doesn't bring success. Bradford and Sheffield united failed to go up last year despite having larger budgets than almost all.

Wigan possibly had the biggest budget and were still receiving parachute payments and got promoted. Burton Albion probably had one of the smallest budgets and managed promotion.

Its obvious that having a bigger budget means being able to attract a higher calibre of player, but as we have found out in the past it is not always that simple.

Personally id rather the club invest in a top proven manager who get maximum out of players and has a knack of signing raw talent and bringing it forward.

The likes of Bentley, Payne, Hayden etc are essentially what keeps the club afloat.

 

[Supa Shrimpa]

Could somebody from the 27% that voted "No" give me a rational answer of why they don't think it's a good idea, please ?

61 votes...and i'm still waiting to hear a rational answer :blush:

 

[AndyT]

Yes has slipped below 50% :omg:

 

[rigsby]

61 votes...and i'm still waiting to hear a rational answer :blush:

You have had some rational answers. How about you explain what you hope to achieve and how you intend to achieve it.

 

[OldBlueLady]

61 votes...and i'm still waiting to hear a rational answer :blush:

You have had some rational answers. How about you explain what you hope to achieve and how you intend to achieve it.

Rigsby has a point, I've yet to hear anything convincing from anyone as to a "rational answer" to what they want.

For the record, I didn't just vote "no" to prove a point, but also because I firmly believe that RM is incontrovertibly entwined in this club's future and that we are reliant on him making the move that is vital for the club to continue. However long it takes, I do believe that dream will be delivered.

 

[Barling Magna]

Originally Posted by Supa Shrimpa
Could somebody from the 27% that voted "No" give me a rational answer of why they don't think it's a good idea, please ?
61 votes...and i'm still waiting to hear a rational answer

Supa Shrimpa: you ask for "a rational answer of why they don't think it's a good idea". What do you mean? What is the "it" that you refer to? You can't get an answer if your question doesn't provide anything to answer......

 

[rlb999]

Yes has slipped below 50% :omg:

Which coincides with 4 points from 2 games.
Who would believe it?
A loss at the weekend will see it rise again though.

 

[Blues 'n twos]

61 votes...and i'm still waiting to hear a rational answer :blush:

When I hear of a credible plan that will not jeapordise the future of SUFC, a plan that won't affect the players on the pitch week in week out, and will provide a Stadium that will possibly take us to the next level on a sound financial footing..... I will vote yes. RM despite what you or I think of him will be going nowhere, he is in too deep.
FWIW I went for the bottom option, been there done that with car park protests, waste of time and effort.

 

[Supa Shrimpa]

For the record, I didn't just vote "no" to prove a point, but also because I firmly believe that RM is incontrovertibly entwined in this club's future and that we are reliant on him making the move that is vital for the club to continue. However long it takes, I do believe that dream will be delivered.

I respect your opinion, however I worry that one day soon, i'm going to wake up and the media is going to show a headline that Southend United Football Club, my local football club that i've supported since I was a kid, no longer exists. Businesses no longer exist because they can't keep borrowing money on the promise of a brighter future. At some point the liquidity dries up and the cashflow isn't there to meet it's overheads. If that day came, i'd feel sick that I stood there and did nothing, knowing full well it was on the cards. Is that so wrong of me ?

 

[Supa Shrimpa]

Supa Shrimpa: you ask for "a rational answer of why they don't think it's a good idea". What do you mean? What is the "it" that you refer to? You can't get an answer if your question doesn't provide anything to answer......

It's quite straight forward. OBL has given an answer "However long it takes, I do believe that dream will be delivered". I disagree, but it's her opinion, and I respect that. Any others ?

 

[Supa Shrimpa]

You have had some rational answers. How about you explain what you hope to achieve and how you intend to achieve it.

There are many options available. The majority being to try to draw some answers from our beloved leader. Hopefully, if the answers are positive, then we can all rest in the knowledge we're in good hands and the future of the club is safe.

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

Whilst I agree with the bulk of your sentiments , I don't think the forum make up figures in the clubs annual accounts, which show the P&L balance @ 31/7/15 as - 15,152,353

There are some people worth debating with and some not. I've had this with Wriggy before when it has told me that published accounts are wrong etc after I proved them wrong. There's just no point taking them serious. I think maybe they are as delusional as a certain chairman.

 

[Barling Magna]

The majority being to try to draw some answers from our beloved leader. Hopefully, if the answers are positive, then we can all rest in the knowledge we're in good hands and the future of the club is safe.

If that is the case then I have no problem with it. However, RM will say, and he may be right to so say, that "commercial reasons" prevent him from being entirely open about the situation - in which case we are no further forward.

It seems to me that the team we have is good enough to thrive in League One provided they are all fit and that their confidence is high. Our manager may be a bit of a pain, but he does have a breadth of experience and seems to be an honest enough guy when it comes to accepting his mistakes. He is a frustrating blend of the tactically astute for one game and the tactically naive for the next one, but he is probably the best we can do - we are Southend United, not Manchester United, or even Sheffield United.

Our "new stadium" is a chimera. RM has failed to persuade investors to support his plans. He was unlucky with his timing as the global financial crisis stymied his efforts. Since then he's been hanging on hoping to assemble the package he needs. I think we're stuck with him, unless some Russian or Asian plutocrat appears out of the blue wishing to invest in us.

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

However long it takes, I do believe that dream will be delivered.

Just out of interest do you believe we are closer or further away from that dream being delivered than 10 years ago?

 

[mfurok]

NockyNineDoors votes yes.

Fascinating.

Explanation please.

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

He was unlucky with his timing as the global financial crisis stymied his efforts. Since then he's been hanging on hoping to assemble the package he needs. I think we're stuck with him, unless some Russian or Asian plutocrat appears out of the blue wishing to invest in us.

I would argue that someone was very lucky to be involved in property when things were going great in that sector. I know several property business owners who don't hold a very good opinion of that someone and plenty who would not work with him for various reasons.

 

[Supa Shrimpa]

If that is the case then I have no problem with it. However, RM will say, and he may be right to so say, that "commercial reasons" prevent him from being entirely open about the situation - in which case we are no further forward.

I appreciate that. However, "commercial reasons" can also be used as an excuse not to divulge basic information that the clubs supporters (and paying customers) would be grateful to hear. ie what happens to the site at RH ? who will own the stadium ? who earns from the retail outlets ? will our debt be clear ? ....ultimately, how does this benefit SUFC ?

"I think we're stuck with him, unless some Russian or Asian plutocrat appears out of the blue wishing to invest in us."

...what if there ARE people out there, that do have the funds to make the project happen, that would be willing to invest in the clubs future and make a tidy profit for themselves ?

 

[OldBlueLady]

Just out of interest do you believe we are closer or further away from that dream being delivered than 10 years ago?

I think we're closer. I think we've been hugely unlucky - the calling in of the plans originally and the global financial crisis scuppered things. I also think the council are more on side now.

NockyNineDoors votes yes.

Fascinating.

Explanation please.

Please can we stop calling individual people out - no-one needs to explain their reasons unless THEY want to!