Pre-Match Thread HMRC v SUFC - FINAL hearing on 1st March. DISMISSED

[kentblues]

The problem is that's the football club that you are talking about, he might be the owner, but they are not the ones that will be doing the development project. I don't know who it is supposed to be but if it is a respectable company your friends will all be undercutting each other for a project that size.

I fear no matter how many times these things get pointed out the "alternative facts" persist. Regrettably it is Groundhog Day.

RM has already put many tens of millions into the development- all the land with full planning permission which is "held" in the project (the Dellal's companies- ultimately to Group level- holding charges over said land which, no doubt, is behind the freeing up of funds to RM as the development progresses). Effectively none of the land is any longer Ron's to sell. Or indeed the project, again as has been said...

If construction companies were nervous about doing work for RM then that's as interesting as it is irrelevant. Ron is not "the" developer. And if construction companies don't want to work with partners like the Dellals, SBC, Populous, Homes England et al then I would be surprised (but they are not named so we have no way of following up).

 

[Lincoln Shrimp]

This post was about hmrc and the debt not the stadium and people knowing more than others I thought??

Maybe so, but it's a thread that still has some legs yet I feel.
Feels a bit like the last few hours of transfer deadline day!

 

[Tommy2holes]

he / she might be able to !

How dare you leave "they" out of the equation.

 

[Supa Shrimpa]

How dare you leave "they" out of the equation.

So sorry. I really should ask what people's pronouns are

 

[tommy tucker]

It is still a lot of if buts and maybes .We can all play the guessing game but it is really a dont know the real answers .

 

[Rob1920]

I know nothing about any of this, but I'll say one thing about the point raised that no one in the building trade will deal with Ron. Whoever built the new training pitches which apparently cost £2m obviously did. I appreciate thats not a £500m developement, but not many firms would risk £2m either if they seriously doubted they'd get paid.

Besides, I thought the council was funding the project? Surely its them the builder has to trust more than Ron?

 

[RHB]

Maybe not intentionally, but I could be excused for thinking that some on here desperately want Ron and everything associated with him to crash and burn regardless of the impact on SUFC.

 

[Shrimper]

I know nothing about any of this, but I'll say one thing about the point raised that no one in the building trade will deal with Ron. Whoever built the new training pitches which apparently cost £2m obviously did. I appreciate thats not a £500m developement, but not many firms would risk £2m either if they seriously doubted they'd get paid.

Besides, I thought the council was funding the project? Surely its them the builder has to trust more than Ron?

Were PG Site Services involved?

 

[Supa Shrimpa]

Maybe not intentionally, but I could be excused for thinking that some on here desperately want Ron and everything associated with him to crash and burn regardless of the impact on SUFC.

Not in the slightest. I just want SUFC to survive and for it to be a club we can support and be proud of.

 

[RHB]

Not in the slightest. I just want SUFC to survive and for it to be a club we can support and be proud of.

And I would be done for slander if I named names! Still my opinion though based on what I've read across the Zone over the past month or so.

 

[Blue43]

He might well be I as just saying that it's the football club that's in and out of court etc not any development company that he might be involved in.

Lenrose Housing and Allied Commercial Exporters are supposed to be in charge of the project and Ron isn't a director of either of them.

And who owns the football club and is responsible for paying HMCR and the staff, Ron. Therefore any other company or development that Ron has put his name to will make firms nervous, no matter which company he has partnered up with.

Just look at the amount of companies he has knocked for money over the years.

 

[hlane17]

Maybe not intentionally, but I could be excused for thinking that some on here desperately want Ron and everything associated with him to crash and burn regardless of the impact on SUFC.

All I want is our club finally rid of the rotten man, whether that's soon (some hints of potential interest in this thread last few days?) or in a year or more's time.

Look at the toxicity and division his continued presence has caused for the fanbase.

I'd love nothing more than him to **** off elsewhere eventually and be successful. I don't want him to totally crash and burn, just want him to plan and take his departure.

 

[kentblues]

I know nothing about any of this, but I'll say one thing about the point raised that no one in the building trade will deal with Ron. Whoever built the new training pitches which apparently cost £2m obviously did. I appreciate thats not a £500m developement, but not many firms would risk £2m either if they seriously doubted they'd get paid.

Besides, I thought the council was funding the project? Surely its them the builder has to trust more than Ron?

SBC are a major customer of the development i.e. they are leasing a large number of the units to then rent on to tenants. An interesting dimension is that having leased for x years the units' ownership passes to the council providing a significant council owned housing stock going forward. A model others should follow (IMHO)

 

[Holy Joe]

And who owns the football club and is responsible for paying HMCR and the staff, Ron. Therefore any other company or development that Ron has put his name to will make firms nervous, no matter which company he has partnered up with.

Just look at the amount of companies he has

On companies House he is listed as being involved in 12 companies. As far as I recall none of them are directly funding the development.

 

[Blue43]

I know nothing about any of this, but I'll say one thing about the point raised that no one in the building trade will deal with Ron. Whoever built the new training pitches which apparently cost £2m obviously did. I appreciate thats not a £500m developement, but not many firms would risk £2m either if they seriously doubted they'd get paid.

Besides, I thought the council was funding the project? Surely its them the builder has to trust more than Ron?

With all due respect, I wouldn’t trust SBC to run a bath, let alone a development of this size.

 

[sufc4life21]

All I want is our club finally rid of the rotten man, whether that's soon (some hints of potential interest in this thread last few days?) or in a year or more's time.

Look at the toxicity and division his continued presence has caused for the fanbase.

I'd love nothing more than him to **** off elsewhere eventually and be successful. I don't want him to totally crash and burn, just want him to plan and take his departure.

Very true..... iv took step back from Southend the last few years due to the constant off field crap and won't return until he gone! I feel for the ones who continue to go and watch sufc over the country just to end up getting slapped in the face by Ron with his constant poor behaviour as owner. Can't be good for your mental health. We as fanbase need hope for better future but with ron still incharge that won't happen unfortunately.

 

[mattytheshrimper]

RM has already put many tens of millions into the development

Has he? I think you actually mean he's put the clubs money into the development or other peoples. Ron hasn't had a pot to **** in for decades.

 

[tommy tucker]

It has been said noone will be daft enough to lend Ron Martin moneys .Ok this maybe true then who the hell put up 2 millon for the new training ground if Ron didnt .

 

[euroshrimper]

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Yes absolutely, I will be first in line with an apology.

Ron’s statement has now pretty much confirmed what I’ve been saying on here. I work for a very large construction firm, and through talking to many of my contacts within the industry who are all very much in the know, the general feedback is that they wouldn’t touch FF with a barge pole whilst Ron is in charge, they said it’s just too much of a high risk given his credit history.

The £5 million bridging loan was expected by October but here we are nearly in February and Ron still hasn’t secured it.

The FF development is worth say £500 million? Yet some fans on here still think Ron will deliver that even though he can’t secure only £5 million to pay off HMRC and keep us afloat for the next few months.

As I’ve said, and I’ll stand by this, Ron’s only option is to sell the club now or we’re finished.

Ron has run out of people to turn to and has burnt too many bridges in the industry. The only way the new stadium and development will be built now is under new ownership. As long as Ron still owns the club the new stadium will not be built!!

Your comment regarding construction company's and how they will perceive working for a certain person or organisation linked to that person is totally correct. Sadly some people dont like hearing it but as a retired director of both a construction company and chairman of a construction trade association I can assure the doubters that buisness people do talk and exchange experiences etc as whatever buisness or trade you are involved in no one wants to get their fingers burnt !
So I for one will not believe it until I am actually sitting or standing at FF when ever that may be I just hope we get a new owner soon so we can end the toxicity being demonstrated on here and all just get on with enjoying the experiences associated with supporting the club we all love........

 

[kentblues]

Has he? I think you actually mean he's put the clubs money into the development or other peoples. Ron hasn't had a pot to **** in for decades.

The clubs money? You mean our club the well known magic money tree?