Hard or Soft Brexit?

[mrsblue]

Well put mrsblue, I couldn't have put it better myself.:winking:

Thanks you:winking:

 

[RHB]

Well put mrsblue, I couldn't have put it better myself.:winking:

You're confusing me Massimo. You've quoted mrsblue, but I can't find that particular post anywhere. Are you being ironic?

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

The UK is a machine run by the few and destroying the many,once Scotland prosper then others will follow,the UK experiment is dead in the water.

I can see where you are coming from.

 

[mrsblue]

I can see where you are coming from,Mrs b you have educated my and I thank you for your superior insight.

No problemo happy to assist.

 

[Medway Blue]

It can be no wonder that it has been badly received on the continent. The energy, time, resources and money it will take to disentangle the UK from its complicated attachment to the EU will amuse no one.

Aw call a frickin' "wah"-mbulance! You know what? Maybe we should never have allowed such a "complicated attachment" to develop in the first place. IF it happens then the fact that an economic meltdown will have occurred just because we dared to extricate ourselves from that bumbling, bureaucratic nightmare is probably the biggest and most damning indictment of the EU and the UK's membership of it. How and why could anyone be stupid enough to let this country get so complicatedly entwined with the EU that what should be a simple exit causes the apocalypse?

Not often that i quote articles from Skynews but it sums up much of the sadness that I and fellow Europeans feel about the direction Britain is taking at the moment. Please don't come back with the claptrap about Britain still being a strong part of Europe, outside the EU.

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views...-vanishing-when-europe-needs-it-most-10632551

I'll never understand you and others arguing this. It's not claptrap. It's valid. I am anti-EU. Not anti-Europe or anti-European. We can still see ourselves as European and play a strong part in Europe, since Europe and being European existed long before the EU. Why, in your small mind, has the EU come to define Europe so strongly? It shouldn't. We can still have a close relationship with EU countries whether we're in the EU or not. If the other EU countries turn up their noses then it shows what a horrible, pathetic and bitter little kids treehouse club the EU really is.

 

[callan]

I'm therefore certain you must be amongst the number advocating a second referendum, when the terms of the treaty, or their irretrievable break down is announced. Surely something clear, writ in black and white needs to be offered the the British public? Something better to decide upon than the half truths, lies and miscalculations offered by both sides last June.

I did support a second referendum...which might have escaped your notice....but we have already had it, and I expect to see the result honored.

Whatever you and your followers intentions may have been in supporting and celebrating the victory of Brexit, the pain it will inflict on the EU, let alone the UK, will no doubt be substantial.

My Followers????

The Landlord at my local did hold a celebration party on the Friday after Brexit....you should have come along Yogi...we had a ball :winking:...you would have loved it.

You seem extremely well versed in the procedures and processes of the forthcoming negotiations, perhaps you should offer your services, the UK side is going to need quite a lot of manpower. Can you speak fluent french?.........it may help:winking:

Not really well versed at all these days....there was a time however....

As for speaking French...I've never needed too...always better to speak English in my opinion.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37838087

With UK inflation set to reach 4% by the end of next year, that's not exactly good news with the pound having already fallen 17% against the euro since Brexit.

(Two leading banks have already predicted that the exchange rate betwen the pound/euro will have hit parity by late 2017).

 

[MK Shrimper]

Not to mention Mark Carney is running for the hills. I fear the next few years is going to be carnage. Those "disifranchised" communties who voted for Brexit, well you'll probably going to be even worse off. :clap:

 

[rigsby]

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37838087

With UK inflation set to reach 4% by the end of next year, that's not exactly good news with the pound having already fallen 17% against the euro since Brexit.

(Two leading banks have already predicted that the exchange rate betwen the pound/euro will have hit parity by late 2017).

That's why Blackpool have just announced their best summer for 30 years. More visitors and more staycations.

I will of course have to have one less beer every night on this winters ski trip but somehow I think I'll survive.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

That's why Blackpool have just announced their best summer for 30 years. More visitors and more staycations.

I will of course have to have one less beer every night on this winters ski trip but somehow I think I'll survive.

And I'll be happy to have an extra beer or two on my next trip over to make up the difference.:smiles:

 

[leeblue]

I think the recent Nissan deal tells the story.
The government will go for access to the single market and take the free movement deal that goes with it.
What other plan will have swayed the company to stay....

 

[jackj13]

It's got to go to a Parliament vote now first....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37857785

 

[pottster]

Madness. Parliament voted already to give the referendum. The government got a clear mandate from the country and that's it!

 

[manor15]

Madness. Parliament voted already to give the referendum. The government got a clear mandate from the country and that's it!

37.4% of the public eligible to vote voted for Brexit, with reports that many now regret their vote. There is an indication of public opinion, but not a "clear mandate" and given that many of the arguments for Brexit were how undemocratic the EU is, it seems ironic that Brexiteers now want Parliament to be refused the opportunity to debate and vote on it.

 

[londonblue]

Madness. Parliament voted already to give the referendum. The government got a clear mandate from the country and that's it!

I'm glad we have constitutional law experts on here. I wasn't aware of the legalities of the situation. Thanks for clearing it up. What I don't get though, is how high court judges have got it wrong. Admittedly they've given leave to appeal so they obviously believe they may be wrong, but I'm so glad we have people on here that can sort these things out so quickly.

 

[Supernaut]

Madness. Parliament voted already to give the referendum. The government got a clear mandate from the country and that's it!

Referendum results have been completely ignored several times in other European countries - it's far from legally binding I believe. Even though I voted Leave, I was half expecting our government to do the same.

 

[londonblue]

Referendum results have been completely ignored several times in other European countries - it's far from legally binding I believe. Even though I voted Leave, I was half expecting our government to do the same.

My view is that, even though about 400-odd MPs voted to remain, if they are indeed forced to vote in Parliament they will all vote to leave because that is what the public has decided.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Madness. Parliament voted already to give the referendum. The government got a clear mandate from the country and that's it!

The government has no such mandate. The referendum was only ever advisory only. It's also worth noting that the Conservative manifesto was for remaining part of the Single Market, a subject on which the referendum was silent.

This case was about who has the power to do so: the government or Parliament. If taking back control means anything it should mean that Parliament should take back control from the Executive. Those campaigning for Parliamentary Sovereignty should be delighted by this result.

Although as I pointed out last month in this thread this is only a provisional result as it'll end up going to the Supreme Court.

Still this is a huge setback for the government. If they are unable to do the easy part of serving Article 50 notice correctly what chance do they have of them getting the minutiae right on the leaving negotiations and all those trade deals we've been promised can be wrapped up before we've left? We're going to get rinsed on trade deals as this government just doesn't know what it's doing.

Big court case today on the government's authority to serve Article 50 notice.

My own reading of it is that the executive does not have authority to do this and this power resides with Parliament, although I think it may need the Supreme Court to come to this decision (whatever the result this will end up being appealed there).

The Attorney General himself is leading the government's case. Would be pretty humiliating to the government to attempt to do something they don't have the power to do - although May has much previous for this.

 

[pottster]

So what was the point of the referendum? If they aren't going to abide by the result, it was a waste of time.

 

[Benfleet A1]

So what was the point of the referendum? If they aren't going to abide by the result, it was a waste of time.

Its a constutional issue. Parliment has to be consulted on the triggering of Article 50 and what will happen after. Which way the vote goes is going to be close. I think the figures being quoted are 50 tory rebels for the government to lose the vote.