Hard or Soft Brexit?

[Tangled up in Blue]

Try Abbott's removals, they don't really know what their doing but at least they knock a couple of 0's off the bill.

She's already found a (more) local firm,thanks.

:off topic:But I bumped into yet another Brit here yesterday (a long-term resident,originally from Chesterfield, married to a Spanish lass),who's taking out Spanish nationality.The brain drain has already started and negotiations haven't even begun yet.:sad:

 

[Bielzibubz]

She's already found a (more) local firm,thanks.

:off topic:But I bumped into yet another Brit here yesterday (a long-term resident,originally from Chesterfield, married to a Spanish lass),who's taking out Spanish nationality.The brain drain has already started and negotiations haven't even begun yet.:sad:

:hilarious:So he's a long term resident in Spain and yet at the same time he's a brain drain from the UK because of Brexit? :hilarious:

Care to explain how one person can be both given what you've said?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

:hilarious:So he's a long term resident in Spain and yet at the same time he's a brain drain from the UK because of Brexit? :hilarious:

Care to explain how one person can be both given what you've said?

Yes.As a British citizen, who works for the UAB and the British Council (as a Senior Speaking Examiner and team leader), he has valuable skills.Once he becomes a Spanish citizen-because of Brexit- those skills will be lost to the UK.QED.(I remember some years ago, he was seriously thinking about returning to the UK, when he had a job offer from a British University).

 

[Bielzibubz]

Yes.As a British citizen, who works for the UAB and the British Council (as a Senior Speaking Examiner and team leader), he has valuable skills.Once he becomes a Spanish citizen-because of Brexit- those skills will be lost to the UK.QED.(I remember some years ago, he was seriously thinking about returning to the UK, when he had a job offer from a British University).

But he doesn't work in the UK and hasn't for many years. QED he's not and cannot be a brain drain from these shores caused by Brexit. Oh I know, I was clearly under the misguided assumption that in order to be a 'brain drain' from the UK because of Brexit you had to first of all be living, working and using your skills here. Clearly not! :dim: I also assume that once his Spanish nationality comes through he'll carry on with the same job yes? If so then why will they be lost? He currently teaches in Spain and he'll carry on teaching in Spain.

Oh, and the fact he's a British citizen is neither here nor there. He hasn't contributed here in the UK therefore..............................................Someone help me out please I'm losing the will to type here :smile:

Oh, and as a cheap dig, because I can't resist it and it's so easy. If he's got the same political beliefs and ideals as you then this particular 'brain drain' is no great loss anyway ;)

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

So, I know (pratically to the person

) who will be truly shocked and worried by the article below (very long but worth the read). I also know (practically to the person

) who will laugh it off as another one of those crackpot conspiracy theories.

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...cked-democracy


Life is so predictable, ain't it!

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

But he doesn't work in the UK and hasn't for many years. QED he's not and cannot be a brain drain from these shores caused by Brexit. Oh I know, I was clearly under the misguided assumption that in order to be a 'brain drain' from the UK because of Brexit you had to first of all be living, working and using your skills here. Clearly not! :dim: I also assume that once his Spanish nationality comes through he'll carry on with the same job yes? If so then why will they be lost? He currently teaches in Spain and he'll carry on teaching in Spain.

Oh, and the fact he's a British citizen is neither here nor there. He hasn't contributed here in the UK therefore..............................................Someone help me out please I'm losing the will to type here :smile:

Oh, and as a cheap dig, because I can't resist it and it's so easy. If he's got the same political beliefs and ideals as you then this particular 'brain drain' is no great loss anyway ;)

I think you missed the bit where I said he was offered a job at a British University a few years back, so he obviously has highly marketable skills.

I don't know his employment record in full but he's certainly worked in the UK (as have I).

I'm pretty certain he's a Labour supporter, certainly not much more than that.

The main point here though, is that he's not the only long term British resident I know who's in the process of taking out Spanish citizenship, (something which I currently have no intention of doing).That's a brain-drain on the UK,because of Brexit,whether you choose to see it that way or not.

 

[Bielzibubz]

I think you missed the bit where I said he was offered a job at a British University a few years back, so he obviously has highly marketable skills.

I don't know his employment record in full but he's certainly worked in the UK (as have I).

I'm pretty certain he's a Labour supporter, certainly not much more than that.

The main point here though, is that he's not the only long term British resident I know who's in the process of taking out Spanish citizenship, (something which I currently have no intention of doing).That's a brain-drain on the UK,because of Brexit,whether you choose to see it that way or not.

Did I question his skills? I don't think I did but hey ho

Oh boy. you do make this fun Barna. For the last time. He can't be a brain drain from the UK due to Brexit because he's not lived and worked here for many years, you've said so yourself. And his offer of a job back here in the UK many years ago has absolutely diddly squat to do with Brexit. He didn't take up the offer therefore he didn't work here therefore he can't be a loss to the UK because the UK never benefited from his expertise in the first place. Potential loss maybe, I'll grant you that, but just like the other ex pats that you know that are going to take up Spanish citizenship they cannot be considered a brain drain because we don't benefit by them living and working in Spain in the first place. In order to lose something you have to have had it in the first place. Surely that's not that hard to grasp now is it?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Did I question his skills? I don't think I did but hey ho

Oh boy. you do make this fun Barna. For the last time. He can't be a brain drain from the UK due to Brexit because he's not lived and worked here for many years, you've said so yourself. And his offer of a job back here in the UK many years ago has absolutely diddly squat to do with Brexit. He didn't take up the offer therefore he didn't work here therefore he can't be a loss to the UK because the UK never benefited from his expertise in the first place. Potential loss maybe, I'll grant you that, but just like the other ex pats that you know that are going to take up Spanish citizenship they cannot be considered a brain drain because we don't benefit by them living and working in Spain in the first place. In order to lose something you have to have had it in the first place. Surely that's not that hard to grasp now is it?

You seem to be wilfully ignoring the fact that it's Brexit that's made him, (and others I know), decide to apply for Spanish citizenship.

These people, (the ones I know at least), are all university graduates.The fact that they've chosen to live and work in Spain (like me) obviously makes them a loss to the UK.

Let me throw into the mix a young Scottish graduate I know.He's just started to work here with the intention of building up the 5 years residence requirement, necessary for Spanish citizenship .Given the Brexit vote, he's unlikely to return to the UK, unless Scotland wins its independence from the UK and stays in the EU.

 

[Bielzibubz]

But they were a loss long before Brexit. I give up. Your in your own little bubble Barna and nothings ever going to burst it.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Shocking to see the official LeaveEU twitter as well as Nigel Farage expressing disappointment that France will not have a facist president

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

But they were a loss long before Brexit. I give up. Your in your own little bubble Barna and nothings ever going to burst it.

The young Scottish lad I mentioned certaintly wasn't.I think he is now though.

 

[callan]

The young Scottish lad I mentioned certaintly wasn't.I think he is now though.

I'm somewhat confused by this argument, did the Brain start with Brexit and what I guess will be the end of free movement, but not before?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I'm somewhat confused by this argument, did the Brain start with Brexit and what I guess will be the end of free movement, but not before?

Let's say that Brexit is the factor which has decided some expats I know, (by no means all), to take out Spanish nationality.

 

[callan]

Let's say that Brexit is the factor which has decided some expats I know, (by no means all), to take out Spanish nationality.

This is even more confusing.... these as ex pats are 'Brains' that have already left.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Shocking to see the official LeaveEU twitter as well as Nigel Farage expressing disappointment that France will not have a facist president

and surely quote of the week should go to him..........

"Do I think Marine Le Pen herself is an extremist? No I don’t, I absolutely don’t."

............well, no more extremist than you are Nigel. :smile:

 

[londonblue]

and surely quote of the week should go to him..........

"Do I think Marine Le Pen herself is an extremist? No I don’t, I absolutely don’t."

............well, no more extremist than you are Nigel. :smile:

That's the thing about politics (and things in general): we tend to compare people to ourselves.

 

[Bielzibubz]

This is even more confusing.... these as ex pats are 'Brains' that have already left.

Give up Callan. It's really not worth it. He's never wrong you know.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Shocking to see the official LeaveEU twitter as well as Nigel Farage expressing disappointment that France will not have a facist president

This is beautiful.

 

[callan]

Give up Callan. It's really not worth it. He's never wrong you know.

According to the EU their bill is legally unenforceable...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ally-impossible-enforce-european-commissions/

On top of Der spiegels report that Juncker gave Merkel a bollocking over the Dinner party leak ...then it is clear why Arch EU federalist Barna, is clutching at straws with his brain drain theory!

It never bothered him before when Polish social workers, were picking fruit and Veg in the UK...but of course why would it.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

According to the EU their bill is legally unenforceable...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ally-impossible-enforce-european-commissions/

On top of Der spiegels report that Juncker gave Merkel a bollocking over the Dinner party leak ...then it is clear why Arch EU federalist Barna, is clutching at straws with his brain drain theory!

It never bothered him before when Polish social workers, were picking fruit and Veg in the UK...but of course why would it.

What is clear is, that both the UK -with respect to EU workers in the UK- and the EU with respect to UK nationals in the EU- are using ordinary people as "bargaining chips."

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...p-thats-closing-on-britons-who-live-in-europe