Hard or Soft Brexit?

[MK Shrimper]

The original post from dloman suggested that "visitors to the UK" are currently "at record levels ,partly because the pound has effectively been devalued since Brexit, thus "offsetting a possible slowdown in spending". I pointed out that, inevitably, after last Wednesday's terrorist attack this was unlikey to continue, at least in the short term,based on the French example.

I wouldn't call that "nothing." I'd call it a sad consequence of today's interrelated global econonmy.

Sorry Barna, I have to disagree with you here. Paris was full of tourists back in February - the queues to get into the sights such as Notre Dame were immense - and I very much doubt people would cancel their holidays to London due to one lone lunatic.

I suggest tourism will increase even more over the summer, due to the low Pound, that will no doubt take a bigger hit come Wednesday. My holiday to Spain will no doubt cost a lot more when Article 50 is signed.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Sorry Barna, I have to disagree with you here. Paris was full of tourists back in February - the queues to get into the sights such as Notre Dame were immense - and I very much doubt people would cancel their holidays to London due to one lone lunatic.

I suggest tourism will increase even more over the summer, due to the low Pound, that will no doubt take a bigger hit come Wednesday. My holiday to Spain will no doubt cost a lot more when Article 50 is signed.

I was really thinking of last summer when the French press and TV pointed out that tourist numbers from highly security conscious Americans and Japanese were way down.

I'd agree that any negative impact is likely to be short-term only but I'd watch out for a possible dip in tourism to London this summer, although as you say, the "low Pound" will no doubt mitigate against that.We certainly won't be cancelling our trip over at the end of next month! :winking:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

pre negotiating posturing. I wouldn't get your knickers in a twist Barna. Never bought anything in the market. Cue reply saying ha went to Petticoat Lane in 1976 and bought drone drone......

Remember Benjamin Franklin's phrase: "If you fail to plan, you are planning to fail." :winking:

 

[rigsby]

Remember Benjamin Franklin's phrase: "If you fail to plan, you are planning to fail." :winking:

Remember your a traitor so no ones interested.:thumbsup:

 

[londonblue]

Sorry Barna, I have to disagree with you here. Paris was full of tourists back in February - the queues to get into the sights such as Notre Dame were immense - and I very much doubt people would cancel their holidays to London due to one lone lunatic.

I suggest tourism will increase even more over the summer, due to the low Pound, that will no doubt take a bigger hit come Wednesday. My holiday to Spain will no doubt cost a lot more when Article 50 is signed.

I booked ahead. I booked my flights to Israel last June, and bought my currency in Feb. The only issue is the hotel, which is priced in dollars...

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ed-to-know-about-how-the-uk-will-leave-the-eu

Everything you need to know about Brexit,hopefully.:smile:

 

[MK Shrimper]

“Greenland has a slightly smaller population than Croydon and it has one issue, and that’s fish. So with one issue … it took them not two years, but three. We have multiple issues. The idea that we can do it all in two years I think is highly unlikely.”

Oh dear.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

“Greenland has a slightly smaller population than Croydon and it has one issue, and that’s fish. So with one issue … it took them not two years, but three. We have multiple issues. The idea that we can do it all in two years I think is highly unlikely.”

Oh dear.

Greenland of course left when the EU was still the EEC.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Well, well, well (sorry Barna) Labour finally finds some balls.........or rather sniffs some political advantage in this new stance. Its 'six tests' would appear to make it totally pointless leaving the EU. So effectively (because those 'six tests' can never be agreed on) hasn't Labour changed to the Liberal Democrat policy of opposing Brexit?...........but without saying as much.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...hadow-brexit-secretary-european-a7651796.html

 

[Benfleet A1]

Well, well, well (sorry Barna) Labour finally finds some balls.........or rather sniffs some political advantage in this new stance. Its 'six tests' would appear to make it totally pointless leaving the EU. So effectively (because those 'six tests' can never be agreed on) hasn't Labour changed to the Liberal Democrat policy of opposing Brexit?...........but without saying as much.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...hadow-brexit-secretary-european-a7651796.html

Which kind of begs the question why didn't Labour just oppose the Brexit vote in the first place.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Which kind of begs the question why didn't Labour just oppose the Brexit vote in the first place.

Don't know whether I'm the person to answer that Benfleet. Perhaps they, initially, looked at their majorities in working class, UKIP threatened, constituences and then sang very high. :smile:

 

[Benfleet A1]

Don't know whether I'm the person to answer that Benfleet. Perhaps they, initially, looked at their majorities in working class, UKIP threatened, constituences and then sang very high. :smile:

So a lack of conviction then. Seems a pointless exercise to me.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Well, well, well (sorry Barna) Labour finally finds some balls.........or rather sniffs some political advantage in this new stance. Its 'six tests' would appear to make it totally pointless leaving the EU. So effectively (because those 'six tests' can never be agreed on) hasn't Labour changed to the Liberal Democrat policy of opposing Brexit?...........but without saying as much.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...hadow-brexit-secretary-european-a7651796.html

Which kind of begs the question why didn't Labour just oppose the Brexit vote in the first place.

So a lack of conviction then. Seems a pointless exercise to me.

Labour's policy was always to vote to allow article 50 to go through (it was the majority opinion of the UK public to leave the EU in the referendum after all) and then fight to make sure that HMG came back with the best deal possible.

That's seems like principled opposition (to me at least).

The LibDems still want another referedum on the terms,which is not Labour's position at all.

 

[mattitouk]

So she's officially gone and done it! & activated article 50!

Time to open the bubbly and enjoy it, yet those old cold war cartoons during the Cuba crisis come to mind... "duck and cover" :smile:

If you don't trust in modern day politicians... remember..... always believe in "Bert The Turtle" ! :smile:

https://youtu.be/2QxVwafUFgY

 

[Benfleet A1]

Good old Bert.

 

[RHB]

From today we will have two years to broker the exit deal from the EU. During that time we will still be EU members, we won't pour millions of cash into the NHS and immigration will still be happening. So none of the things that a lot of leavers wanted will happen quickly. Hopefully we will get a deal which is inclusive for all in this country. Somehow, I very much doubt it.

 

[superblue24]

From today we will have two years to broker the exit deal from the EU. During that time we will still be EU members, we won't pour millions of cash into the NHS and immigration will still be happening. So none of the things that the leavers wanted will happen quickly. Hopefully we will get a deal which is inclusive for all in this country. Somehow, I very much doubt it.

Not why I voted Leave.

 

[Bielzibubz]

Me neither

 

[londonblue]

Not why I voted Leave.

Me neither

So, out of interest, why did you?

 

[RHB]

Not why I voted Leave.

Me neither

I've made a minor change to the original post to cater for your comments gents. Happy to help as always.