General Boxing Thread

[GBJ]

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And finally, a selection of robes/gloves/boots/wraps/gum shields etc from some big fights. The Hatton one, on the far left of the display (silver & red) still brings back bad memories

 

[Ricey]

So now with the Berto match confirmed surely Brook vs Khan match has to go ahead.

 

[GBJ]

So now with the Berto match confirmed surely Brook vs Khan match has to go ahead.

In theory, yes. The only legitimate stumbling blocks, would be if they failed to agree terms.

That being said, I see 4-5 potential fights for Amir.

1) let's get it out of the way, Floyd next year, in his 50th. Although I believe Floyd will want to face The winner of Canelo/Cotto in a rematch, it doesn't mean to say Khan believes that. If there's still a chance of this happening in his mind, he'll focus on that, like he has done for the past 2 years.

But let's say Floyd - Khan never happens;

2) Kell Brook. Big fight in England, World Title on the line. Makes sense. But that'll depend on the negotiations, I could see them having problems throughout the course of it. Not saying it won't happen, but it won't be signed, sealed & delivered very quickly.

3) Rematch against Maidana. Would do well enough in Vegas & on American TV, so is possible. However, I don't think Khan would be overly keen on it. Too much risk, for very little reward.

4) Keith Thurman. He's been calling out Khan (and everyone else for that matter). Personally I don't think Khan wants any part of Thurman. He'd decapitate him. Way too much risk for Khan. There's absolutely no chance he stays on his feet for 12 rounds against Thurman.

5) The most logical of fights for Khan to chase will be Pacman. It will do big business on American TV, has the added incentive of former friends & stablemates blah blah blah. I think this could be made fairly easily, and be a cracking fight. I'd rather see this, than Khan - Brook tbh

 

[Jonny_Stokes]

5) The most logical of fights for Khan to chase will be Pacman. It will do big business on American TV, has the added incentive of former friends & stablemates blah blah blah. I think this could be made fairly easily, and be a cracking fight. I'd rather see this, than Khan - Brook tbh

Why? It's the least likely of all five fights that Khan is going to get ko'd. Don't like watching his fights when I know the cocky little **** is going to stay on his feet for 12 rounds.

 

[GBJ]

Why? It's the least likely of all five fights that Khan is going to get ko'd. Don't like watching his fights when I know the cocky little **** is going to stay on his feet for 12 rounds.

I'd label myself as a mild-hater of Amir Khan. I enjoy seeing him bambi-legged, and eyes rolling around, looking for help from the ref/corner as much as the next person. But I'm also a fan of 50/50 fights, where the winner isn't an open & shut case, like a few of those others I've mentioned. Give me a real competitive fight, over a steamroller any day.

From all of those fights, I see this as the easiest to be made, and also makes the most sense for both fighters. There's "history" between the two, they're both big names in America, both former World Champions. The TV companies would have a field day marketing it in either Macau or Vegas, which would reward both fighters with decent purses. Probably much more than Khan would get, fighting any of the names above (barring Floyd, of course) There's also the angle that Khan desperately wants Mayweather, Manny's just lost to him, so if Khan put on an astonishing display, could he force a fight with Floyd, through public demand?

It'll also answer the question, can Pacman still cut it at Elite level? My guess would be no, but a decent performance here & then he's back in contention, if he so wishes. If he has a spectacular win, and a bit of media hype/persuasion, he could put himself in the mix for a rematch with Floyd (not that I'd really want to see it)

From the boxing side of it, I'd like to see that fight the most, because they're both very similar, stylistically. The technical side of it would be great. Manny has seemingly lost his killer finish, but still has quick hands. Khan has no power at 147lbs, but has very fast hand speed. Watching two fast punchers, go toe-to-toe, can be just as exciting as watching big punchers. Havent you heard the saying, "speed kills?" :) They know each other's strengths & weaknesses, they know how the other one moves around the ring, how good their footwork is, their balance. I'd be intrigued to see each of them moving in & out of range, changing the angles & pushing forward or dropping onto the back foot.

Very tough fight to call a winner, which could see some great action. That's why it's my preferred choice.

 

[Jonny_Stokes]

That's all much too analytical for me - I just want to see a good tear-up where someone gets sparked (the someone in this case being Khan). Still haven't seen a more enjoyable fight than Kelly/Hamed.

Can appreciate the technical stuff, though. Enjoyed Campbell dismantling Coyle, and I'm looking forward to him stepping up to compete with the likes of Matthews, Burns, Flanagan and Mitchell in the medium term. Thought Selby's back foot master class a couple of months back was outstanding as well.

 

[GBJ]

That's all much too analytical for me - I just want to see a good tear-up where someone gets sparked (the someone in this case being Khan). Still haven't seen a more enjoyable fight than Kelly/Hamed.

Can appreciate the technical stuff, though. Enjoyed Campbell dismantling Coyle, and I'm looking forward to him stepping up to compete with the likes of Matthews, Burns, Flanagan and Mitchell in the medium term. Thought Selby's back foot master class a couple of months back was outstanding as well.

If you want to see tear-ups, watch the Arturo Gatti - Micky Ward fight/trilogy from the early 2000's. I've posted a link a few pages back. It's widely regarded as THE best fight of all time. A pure tear up from start to finish. Round 9 is especially good. I guarantee you'll have never seen anything like it.

Selby's a slick operator & now he's signed with Al Haymon, will get more American coverage & hopefully big, testing fights; Abner Mares, Nicholas Walters, Gary Russell & Vasyl Lomanchenko instantly spring to mind.

 

[Ricey]

[video=youtube_share;cUW7gWi4vZ0]http://youtu.be/cUW7gWi4vZ0[/video]

Let's just remind ourselves of this one.

 

[GBJ]

Haha quality. Remember watching that in a pub & creasing up

 

[GBJ]

Bob Arum, (owner of Top Rank) has confirmed he plans on opening negotiations with Amir Khan, for a proposed showdown with Manny Pacquiao. As I expected.

Another nail in the coffin for the Brook-Khan fight. Brook needs Khan, more than Khan needs Brook. That potential fight is, at the very, very least, 12 months away & even then, I don't see it.

 

[Ricey]

Bob Arum, (owner of Top Rank) has confirmed he plans on opening negotiations with Amir Khan, for a proposed showdown with Manny Pacquiao. As I expected.

Another nail in the coffin for the Brook-Khan fight. Brook needs Khan, more than Khan needs Brook. That potential fight is, at the very, very least, 12 months away & even then, I don't see it.

Shame, Khan seems to be avoiding it because he knows that Brook will make him look stupid. Pacquio will destroy him just like Mayweather would too. I think Khan thinks he is better than he actually is, he is average at best and for me Brook is a much better fighter and deserves the fights that Khan wants more than Khan does.

 

[GBJ]

Shame, Khan seems to be avoiding it because he knows that Brook will make him look stupid. Pacquio will destroy him just like Mayweather would too. I think Khan thinks he is better than he actually is, he is average at best and for me Brook is a much better fighter and deserves the fights that Khan wants more than Khan does.

Gotta be honest, I think Khan beats Pac. Close, but clear. Pac just doesn't have that X factor anymore, he's certainly not Elite Level. Khan outworks him, with speed, stamina & movement.

I wouldn't say he's avoiding Brook out of fear of anything. Id say he's avoiding the Brook fight because it makes better financial sense for him to look elsewhere. Similar to the Mayweather fight, he'll earn a fortune, fighting a future Hall Of Famer, in Pac, and it's on a grander scale.

I would be inclined to agree, Khan believes he's better than he actually is a few years ago, except these days I believe he knows his level. He knows his limitations. I'd say he's chasing pay days, more than achievement. And I can't fault him too much in that respect. What would you do? $10m fighting a future Hall Of Famer, or $5m fighting against a manufactured rival? No brainier for me.

I agree Brook deserves the bigger fights more, but you'll have to direct that to Eddie Hearn. His matchmakers pick the opponents. Cherry Picking lesser opponents, has ultimately stunted Brook's career, IMHO. Take the Porter fight out of the equation (where he won the World Title) and he's literally fought nobodies.

I'll say again, Brook needs Khan, more than Khan needs Brook. And the reason you know that's fact, is because Khan can swerve Brook and STILL get into big money fights, against the biggest names.

 

[duncan bulgaria]

5 years ago PAC Man would school Khan but he is a shadow of himself and Khan wins this quite comfortably I reckon , surely Khan can't keep avioding Brook if they both win their respective fights

 

[GBJ]

5 years ago PAC Man would school Khan but he is a shadow of himself and Khan wins this quite comfortably I reckon , surely Khan can't keep avioding Brook if they both win their respective fights

Definitely. Prime Pacman swarms & destroys everyone (barring Floyd) at 140/147lbs, and possibly 154lbs.

I have to say though, and again I say this as a mild-hater of Khan's, he'll take the fights which make financial sense. Let's say hypothetically, Khan beats Pac & beats him comfortably. His first port of call, will be Floyd again. If Floyd denies him again, then Khan's options will be; Brook, Thurman, Bam Bam, Guerrero, or the rematches against Garcia or Maidana. Money talks in boxing, so if Eddie Hearn can offer a better deal to Khan, than Top Rank, Golden Boy or Thurman, then Khan will take it seriously.

But believe me, Eddie Hearn is a scourge on pro-boxing, IMO. I'm looking forward to when (another shady character) Al Haymon takes his Matchroom stable apart. Plus, Eddie & Barry are both Orient scum, so......

 

[Blue_Wes]

I wouldn't be so quick to write off Manny against Khan. Look at his three previous fights prior to FMJ, a more convinving win against Khan's last opponent, Algieri; and two good solid wins against Bradley and Rios. Sure he was sparked by Marquez before that, but even the previous loss against Bradley was a huge miscarriage of justice. The only thing he has going against him, is that he hasn't KO'd anyone since Cotto, five or six years back, but who better to remedy that, than Khan?

Khan has youth an speed on his side, but bar Alexander and Colina, hasn't exactly impressed recently. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Pacman outpoints him, even if he doesn't get a long awaited KO.

 

[GBJ]

I wouldn't be so quick to write off Manny against Khan. Look at his three previous fights prior to FMJ, a more convinving win against Khan's last opponent, Algieri; and two good solid wins against Bradley and Rios. Sure he was sparked by Marquez before that, but even the previous loss against Bradley was a huge miscarriage of justice. The only thing he has going against him, is that he hasn't KO'd anyone since Cotto, five or six years back, but who better to remedy that, than Khan?

Khan has youth an speed on his side, but bar Alexander and Colina, hasn't exactly impressed recently. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Pacman outpoints him, even if he doesn't get a long awaited KO.

Can't argue with that too much. You've made a good case for Pac. It's a real pick 'um fight.

For now, I'm gunna stick with Khan as slight favourite. I'd fancy him to nick a few more rounds & edge Pac out. 116-112, or 115-113

 

[Ricey]

Anyone else getting fed up of this Rousey 'could' beat Mayweather crap?

 

[GBJ]

Anyone else getting fed up of this Rousey 'could' beat Mayweather crap?

Yes 100%.

It's fairly simple, Rhonda beats Floyd in an MMA match, and Floyd beats Rhonda in Marquess Of The Queensbury. The same as it's always been, when discussing MMA fighters & Boxers mixing

Unfortuantely there's seems to be a lot of people who can't grasp that simple concept.

 

[Ricey]

Yes 100%.

It's fairly simple, Rhonda beats Floyd in an MMA match, and Floyd beats Rhonda in Marquess Of The Queensbury. The same as it's always been, when discussing MMA fighters & Boxers mixing

Unfortuantely there's seems to be a lot of people who can't grasp that simple concept.

Finally a man who talks sense. Lad bible viewers at work have been banging on about it. I don't doubt she is good in UFC but you just can't compare the two. Of course she will beat him in a no rules match.

I can't believe Sky boxing are getting involved and putting articles about it. Very disappointed by that as normally their articles are very good.

 

[GBJ]

Finally a man who talks sense. Lad bible viewers at work have been banging on about it. I don't doubt she is good in UFC but you just can't compare the two. Of course she will beat him in a no rules match.

I can't believe Sky boxing are getting involved and putting articles about it. Very disappointed by that as normally their articles are very good.

It's just simple common sense. Anyone who's trained in martial arts, judo, ground wrestling & grappling, will obviously be the clear favourite to win a fight against someone who isn't trained in those things. Doesn't matter if the opponent is Floyd Mayweather or not, if you're not trained in it, it's clear you won't last long against someone who can tackle you to the mat & inflict all kinds of submission manoeuvres on you.

And on the flip side, Rousey isn't trained in Marquess Of The Queensbury, and would therefore receive a devastating KO, quite quickly. I don't care if her stand up work is good, she (& most other UFC fighters) simply couldn't last against an average, domestic level fighter, never mind someone as slick & quick as Floyd.

The debate of UFC fighter vs a Pro boxer has gone on for years & still people are too ignorant to work it out lol

Sky do some good stuff, but I've gotta say, a lot of their work is heavily biased, and focused on their hype machine churning out more profit for them. Some of the stuff they say/write is totally insulting to boxing fans. The worst culprit is that helmet Nick Halling, who commentates alongside Jim Watt. During the recent Campbell vs Coyle event, he sunk to new lows. He's universally hated by the British boxing fans