EU: In or out?

[RHB]

So break the laws then. What they going to do, fine us a fraction of our net contributions?

Fine, you're entitled to your opinion on this, and if law breaking is good for you, then ok. Me, I'll wait for 'call me Dave' to make it better now he has a working majority. I may not necessarily like the speed that change happens at, but that's democracy for you.

 

[Benfleet A1]

The point I was making was that as EU legislation stands we are limited in what we can do if people with EU passports turn up. That doesn't make it right, but short of breaking laws there is not a lot more that can be done as things stand. I don't have answers, that is for the current government to sort out. Will they?

People with European passports aren't the ones illegally entering or jumping in the back of UK bound lorries at Calais.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

People with European passports aren't the ones illegally entering or jumping in the back of UK bound lorries at Calais.

You're rather missing the point here GHG.

Unless the UK starts offering countries like Italy,Greece and Matla some serious support at EU level then they won't have to.They'll all be issued with EU passports anyway.

 

[RHB]

People with European passports aren't the ones illegally entering or jumping in the back of UK bound lorries at Calais.

I think I'm falling down the cracks of trying to respond to two posts at the same time. Illegals attempting to enter the country by dodgy means deserve all they get in terms of fending them off. EU passport holders are a slightly different matter. IF the UK authorities believe the the passports are obtained illegally or in an attempt to offload from Greece, Italy etc, then they need to act to control it. But this can only be done within our current legislation. If it needs changing, then change it. Until then, whether I like or not is immaterial, it's what we have as controls.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Originally Posted by Genial Harry Grout:-

I believe it was MK Shrimper who said the majority were refugee's and asylum seekers which simple isn't the case. The vast bulk of these people are economic migrants and how do I know that? Simple, they are paying for their passage to mainland Europe.

Thought this was an interesting quote:-

"The UN refugee chief, António Guterres, said most of those attempting the dangerous journey across the Mediterranean were not economic migrants. “Most of the people arriving by sea in Europe are refugees, seeking protection from war and persecution,” he said in a statement.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/01/migrant-crisis-mediterranean-numbers-nearly-double

 

[MK Shrimper]

Just seen that post quoting me by GHG. You classify poor *******s who give the smugglers everything they have saved and probably sold everything they had to pay for their illegal passage as "economic migrants?"

I'd class them more as utterly desperate to escape the horror that they find themselves living in, a horror that the west has helped create.

Since 2000, the world has become an absolute ****ing mess and I can't see how this is going to end well for any of us, rich or poor.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Originally Posted by Genial Harry Grout:-

Thought this was an interesting quote:-

"The UN refugee chief, António Guterres, said most of those attempting the dangerous journey across the Mediterranean were not economic migrants. “Most of the people arriving by sea in Europe are refugees, seeking protection from war and persecution,” he said in a statement.

Hmm, yes, perhaps good old Antonio should gee his own country up a tad when it comes to asylum seekers and refugees.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/datablog/2015/may/11/which-eu-countries-receive-the-most-asylum-seekers

Feel free to ignore it.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Just seen that post quoting me by GHG. You classify poor *******s who give the smugglers everything they have saved and probably sold everything they had to pay for their illegal passage as "economic migrants?"

I'd class them more as utterly desperate to escape the horror that they find themselves living in, a horror that the west has helped create.

But they chose not to apply for asylum in the first safe country and prefer to give everything they own to traffickers and sell the grandmother, just in case. I wonder just how desperate they really are.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

But they chose not to apply for asylum in the first safe country and prefer to give everything they own to traffickers and sell the grandmother, just in case. I wonder just how desperate they really are.

More desperate than you or I, have ever been in our lifetimes,I'd wager.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Looks like Greece have had enough.

http://news.sky.com/story/1513740/greece-votes-no-in-eu-referendum-poll

My money is on Merkel and Hollande finding some other way to stop the Greeks from becoming free of the EU tyranny.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

Greeks are, IMO, doing the right thing for them long term: and they will either get a better, (non wonga) interest rate and reduced debt or will leave the Euro but not the EU. Drachma will be initially worthless and £ will gain value. Holidays to Greece could be bargains.
Euro countries will need to recognise havoc of a UK exit may be on the horizon unless they loosen up the federalism dictate stuff pdq.

 

[RHB]

Greeks are, IMO, doing the right thing for them long term: and they will either get a better, (non wonga) interest rate and reduced debt or will leave the Euro but not the EU. Drachma will be initially worthless and £ will gain value. Holidays to Greece could be bargains.
Euro countries will need to recognise havoc of a UK exit may be on the horizon unless they loosen up the federalism dictate stuff pdq.

The thing is where do they go to for money. The suggestion is that they have already spoken to Russia, but it is not clear whether they would be prepared to help. Presumably, China is also an option. I still think a deal will be cut with the EU and the IMF.

 

[manor15]

Cameron likely to be quietly pleased, gives him a much stronger bargaining position as the EU can't risk losing the UK and losing Greece from the Eurozone. Will help to cover up for his failures so far.

Think that Greece will eventually agree a deal which is much more beneficial for them, but they will drag their feet as much as possible and it'll be interesting to see how much of that Merkel and the like are willing to accept.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

The thing is where do they go to for money. The suggestion is that they have already spoken to Russia, but it is not clear whether they would be prepared to help. Presumably, China is also an option. I still think a deal will be cut with the EU and the IMF.

I am sure the US is watching any Russia or China involvement carefully AND is also directing Merkal to be nicer to the Greeks. Thankfully Russia and China are short of funds at present too.
Like you I suspect a new deal is likely BUT also that Greece will Euroexit too.

 

[RHB]

I am sure the US is watching any Russia or China involvement carefully AND is also directing Merkal to be nicer to the Greeks. Thankfully Russia and China are short of funds at present too.
Like you I suspect a new deal is likely BUT also that Greece will Euroexit too.

Out of the Eurozone, maybe, out of the EU, not a chance.

 

[mrsblue]

Greek finance bloke has quit !

What a guy as he ruffled the establishment to the core,as Arnie says "he will be back".

Well done Greece as the EU leaders with their silly experiment begin to look very worried,other countries will look at Greece with great interest.

Silly question,
Why don't these debt ridden countries just print more money?,which would give people jobs and security,who are the mystery investors?

 

[Benfleet A1]

Talk now of forgivable debt, in other words, write it off. Stinks of desperation from the EU. What a great club to be a member of. I bet Spain and Portugal are crossing their fingers on this one.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Silly question,
Why don't these debt ridden countries just print more money?,which would give people jobs and security,who are the mystery investors?

Very silly. It'd lead to massive inflation. The Greeks may have to carry their money around in wheelbarrows just to by a lamb kofta.

http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/634/economics/the-problem-with-printing-money/

 

[Medway Blue]

We need to get out


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[RHB]

We need to get out


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Bold statement. Why?