Does Cyberbullying exist on SZ?

[Rusty Shackleford]

As Stewie Griffin once said:

'Go home cryin' to your Momma, she waitin' for ya'.

Man up Barnaby.

 

[number11]

Is there an official gang? Who are the members?

What extreme opinions have been posted?

Also, what is this rep thing? I've only started posting frequently quite recently and I still don't understand the point of rep. Can anyone enlighten me?

Neil, Good that you are becoming a more frequent poster and hopefully you stick around.

The rep facility, as far as I can tell, serves a couple of purposes. It allows you to register your agreement with someone's post, without wasting space on a thread merely stated 'yer i agree' etc. Likewise, if someone is being an arse, you can register your disapproval of such an attitude by 'neg repping', rather than having that spill over onto the thread in question, which can lead to it going off topic or being closed if it all gets too abusive. Sadly some people take it to heart when given neg rep and moan about it on here or dig out old posts for 'revenge rep', which is a slightly odd way for grown men to behave!

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Sorry, but on my present timetable I've only got time to give arguments or clarification on Fridays(and/or at the weekend).The rest of the time I'm far too busy to give anything more than pithy opinions, I'm afraid.
FWIW, I don't think I go around abusing or insulting people(at least compared to some on here, who seem to make a habit of just that and regularly get away with it).
I do hope this particular post shows some evidence of thought on my part.As for respect (or not)I'm quite happy to leave that to others.
ps I didn't peg you for a George Galloway fan.:smile:

Given you have spent plenty of time this week casually posting messages containing abuse and setting up a poll (which, given your subsequent lack of inclination to actually debate the subject properly, leads to a conclusion that it was actually trolling / attention seeking) you should have plenty of time when posting in the future to self censure your posts to reduce the abusive nature of them.

You may not think you 'go around abusing or insulting people', but rest assured you have done this plenty of times in the past so please exercise greater discretion in the future. As I said above, a little more dignity, humility and thought from you may see you being given a bit more respect.

See my remarks above about only having time to properly debate an issue on (occasional) Fridays(and weekends).I've no idea what trolling means but I am familiar with the term attention seeking.I refute the charge.
I'd be interested to see some evidence what you regard as the "abusive nature "of my posts.
As I suggested elsewhere, this would pass for banter on the terraces(and usually I only dish it out in response to someone starting it).If you can provide me with instances of where I've gone around "abusing or insulting people in the past" I'd be pleased to rectify the error of my ways in the future.
I'd also wager that I show as much(or as little)dignity,humility and thought as you in particular and as most other posters on SZ in general.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

As Stewie Griffin once said:

'Go home cryin' to your Momma, she waitin' for ya'.

Man up Barnaby.

Thought you'd show up sooner or later Rusty.Welcome aboard.
Love to but sadly she died a long time ago.:'(

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Neil, Good that you are becoming a more frequent poster and hopefully you stick around.

The rep facility, as far as I can tell, serves a couple of purposes. It allows you to register your agreement with someone's post, without wasting space on a thread merely stated 'yer i agree' etc. Likewise, if someone is being an arse, you can register your disapproval of such an attitude by 'neg repping', rather than having that spill over onto the thread in question, which can lead to it going off topic or being closed if it all gets too abusive. Sadly some people take it to heart when given neg rep and moan about it on here or dig out old posts for 'revenge rep', which is a slightly odd way for grown men to behave!

If you can recommend an easier method ,I'd be happy to try it out.:winking:

 

[number11]

See my remarks above about only having time to properly debate an issue on (occasional) Fridays(and weekends).I've no idea what trolling means but I am familiar with the term attention seeking.I refute the charge.
I'd be interested to see some evidence what you regard as the "abusive nature "of my posts.
As I suggested elsewhere, this would pass for banter on the terraces(and usually I only dish it out in response to someone starting it).If you can provide me with instances of where I've gone around "abusing or insulting people in the past" I'd be pleased to rectify the error of my ways in the future.
I'd also wager that I show as much(or as little)dignity,humility and thought as you in general and as most other posters on SZ in particular.

Look through your most recent say, 20 posts, and there will be plenty of instances there where your posts have been of an abusive nature. There are even examples in this thread. Maybe you don't mean for them to be abusive, pompous or provocative, but that is evidently how they come across to a large number of people on here.

Ultimately people can only offer you suggestions on how to behave and try to point you in the right direction. You clearly have passionate views on things and I think you would actually find a more rewarding debate flowed from your many Guardian links / attempts at debate if you treated views that oppossed yours with consideration and respect rather than abuse and spite. Ultimately though you are responsible for your actions, but please post within the rules of the board and TRY to respect other posters.

 

[number11]

If you can recommend an easier method ,I'd be happy to try it out.:winking:

If you want to use the rep facility, give positive or negative rep to posts on their merits as you see fit, and not out of spite, revenge or pettiness. That would probably be a good start.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Pity you can't let Stevo talk for himself.What are you the organ grinder?:unsure:

When I said I didn't give a monkey's, I meant about being criticised openly in a public forum on SZ.
Obviously I do care about organised, bandwagon jumping, red rep as I've mentioned elsewhere.

This is a public forum. If someone comments other people are free to add their opinions. If you want to have a conversation between two people only, then PM is the way to do this, otherwise people are not only welcome, but are encouraged to jump in and add their two pennies' worth.

I don't believe that there's any organised bangwagon jumping. I strongly suspect that people have independently come to the same conclusion. Looking now at the thread you are complaining about being neg-repped on (it seems all for different posts), I don't think that was your finest hour on SZ. To use a football analogy, I think you went in on a number of challenges and kept the foot in longer than was strictly necessary (an example on this thread is the organ grinder comment, which insinuates that Steveo would be the monkey). OK, some play the game harder than others, but it doesn't go down well if you then complain when someone does the same back to you.

Is there an official gang? Who are the members?

What extreme opinions have been posted?

Also, what is this rep thing? I've only started posting frequently quite recently and I still don't understand the point of rep. Can anyone enlighten me?

It's a way of preventing the board being cluttered up with hundreds of posts saying "I agree", "lol" or "great post".

If someone posts something particularly amusing or insightful you can register your approval. Similarly if someone posts a load of uninformed bollocks - such as suggesting Barry Corr is the worst forward they've ever seen in division 4 - it's a quick and easy way to register your disapproval once that post has been debunked.

BTW think you should check out the Chelsea leaked scouting report thread in the general forum thread.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Look through your most recent say, 20 posts, and there will be plenty of instances there where your posts have been of an abusive nature. There are even examples in this thread. Maybe you don't mean for them to be abusive, pompous or provocative, but that is evidently how they come across to a large number of people on here.

Ultimately people can only offer you suggestions on how to behave and try to point you in the right direction. You clearly have passionate views on things and I think you would actually find a more rewarding debate flowed from your many Guardian links / attempts at debate if you treated views that oppossed yours with consideration and respect rather than abuse and spite. Ultimately though you are responsible for your actions, but please post within the rules of the board and TRY to respect other posters.

I would argue that I do respect other people's views even if I disagree with them(I could hardly make a living out of teaching Business English if I didn't).
I have,on ocasion,made a point of complimenting posters like CS on the quality of his arguments,
even when I disagree strongly with his views.I don't see why I should have to justify myself(even if I had the time,which usually I don't)to posters like Neil F or yourself,at any greater length than either of you did in your initial question(s) to me.Much as I'd love to, I just don't usually have the time.
Of course I fully accept that I am fully responsible for my actions and as far as I'm aware I do usually post within the rules of SZ while respecting (most)other posters.
The problem I have is not debating issues with people on the public forum of SZ.It's with people leaving snide messages on the reputation facility.

 

[Dick Bate's Protege]

I would argue that I do respect other people's views even if I disagree with them(I could hardly make a living out of teaching Business English if I didn't).
I have,on ocasion,made a point of complimenting posters like CS on the quality of his arguments,
even when I disagree strongly with his views.I don't see why I should have to justify myself(even if I had the time,which usually I don't)to posters like Neil F or yourself,at any greater length than either of you did in your initial question(s) to me.Much as I'd love to, I just don't usually have the time.
Of course I fully accept that I am fully responsible for my actions and as far as I'm aware I do usually post within the rules of SZ while respecting (most)other posters.
The problem I have is not debating issues with people on the public forum of SZ.It's with people leaving snide messages on the reputation facility.

Your 18 references to yourself in a couple of paragraphs might suggest you come at things with an I me mine attitude. If the rep system bothers you that much, why not boycott it completely and refuse to view it. Where you lead, others may follow.

 

[number11]

I would argue that I do respect other people's views even if I disagree with them(I could hardly make a living out of teaching Business English if I didn't).
I have,on ocasion,made a point of complimenting posters like CS on the quality of his arguments,
even when I disagree strongly with his views.I don't see why I should have to justify myself(even if I had the time,which usually I don't)to posters like Neil F or yourself,at any greater length than either of you did in your initial question(s) to me.Much as I'd love to, I just don't usually have the time.
Of course I fully accept that I am fully responsible for my actions and as far as I'm aware I do usually post within the rules of SZ while respecting (most)other posters.
The problem I have is not debating issues with people on the public forum of SZ.It's with people leaving snide messages on the reputation facility.

You don't need to try to justify yourself to me or others, people are just trying to help point you in the right direction.

As I said above, you may not realise how your posts (and consequently you) are coming across, but there are large numbers who have independently come to a similar opinion. Personally I find it hard to believe you are making so many abusive posts inadvertently but if you move on and take things on board then there is no point dwelling on your past behaviour.

Maybe a bit more thought from you when you do post will assist in changing that perception if, as you state, that is not actually how you intend to come across. With regard to your last line, I rather suspect that a) it is a symptom of the point I have made about your posts generally and if you show some more respect you will not provoke such comments, and b) You refrain from abusive posts in the threads and in the rep to other posters, which will again assist in you not having snide comments placed on your rep.

 

[The General]

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[EastStandBlue]

I can't believe I've just read four pages worth of argument about the reputation facility. It's a trivial addition to a website for crying out load... Not even OBL moans about rep anymore.

 

[OldBlueLady]

I can't believe I've just read four pages worth of argument about the reputation facility. It's a trivial addition to a website for crying out load... Not even OBL moans about rep anymore.

No, I do on occasions - I did recently to the owners - and that was for an abusive rep comment, somehow rep seems to escape the swear filter at times and it did in this instance.

I do believe there is cyber bullying on here and I think a lot of it is to do with the rep system, I would be very much in favour of an opting out or getting rid of it all together as I've advocated many times. That is not a moan about rep as such before you all hit me!!! More an observation of how people do use the rep facility sometimes. I know, from experience, that sometimes if you raise your head above the parapet then you're going to get shot at - and I hope I have learned now that getting on your high horse all the time isn't the best way to deal with things.

 

[Kent Shrimper]

Yes it does and to be honest im all for it!!!

 

[dloman]

Have to agree with the comment that if it bothers you that much just don't look at Rep. Personally i have no interest in the Rep, Damn it that is bound to get me loads of reds now though on the positive side it will match my eyes tomorrow morning after tonights alcohol session.

 

[Jedi Shrimper]

Jedi Blair Says:

"Anger leads to Neg Rep, Neg Rep leads to Hate, Hate leads to the Dark Side (Brisbane Road)"

 

[Rob Noxious]

You guys --- you're always having such fun without me! :sad: I go away for a little while and look what happens. Hey, I'm proud of my bro' though --- he's like the last man standing in one of those saloon bar stool-smashings. You gotta love him!

 

[osymandus]

You guys --- you're always having such fun without me! :sad: I go away for a little while and look what happens. Hey, I'm proud of my bro' though --- he's like the last man standing in one of those saloon bar stool-smashings. You gotta love him!

With the place in tatters blood everywhere 10 men at his feet half dead and him screaming "who else wants some" . And you just know some silly arse is going to try it ;)

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

With the place in tatters blood everywhere 10 men at his feet half dead and him screaming "who else wants some" . And you just know some silly arse is going to try it ;)

I see him more as the Black Knight.