Demise of the NoTW

[osymandus]

Nick Clegg as PM hmm who would have thought it ;)

 

[canveyshrimper]

I certaintly think Cameron will have to justify his appointment of Coulson otherwise he's looking at one term in office.This could be a Blair/Kelley moment after just over a year in Government.

I don't think so, Coulson resigned months ago, in many ways Cameron has shown loyalty to a person he has regarded as a friend. If Coulson is guilty then he's gulty of something that is despicable. However and not making two wrongs into a right is he any less guilty than Campbell who with his dodgy dossier and lies led us into a war in Iraq which not only resulted in the deaths of 100's of British troops but 10's of 1000's of Iraqi's. And he has continued to lie to the Chilcott enquiry.

I think MP's have to be careful here, as one thing that must come out of this is we have a free press. And the PCC needs to be more than a toothless tiger.

 

[canveyshrimper]

Nick Clegg as PM hmm who would have thought it ;)

No chance, because he is deputy PM doesn't mean he becomes PM if Cameron by the slightest chance has to stand down. The Tories are the majority in the coalition and I think that George Osborne would win any Conservative leadership contest.

 

[Thorpe Groyney]

Oh dear, someone at Wapping isn't pleased. Latest twittering:

@Sun_Politics: NotW - RIP. A loss to 1st class journalism. Ed Miliband, Guardian and BBC; how proud you must be of your work this week.

As well as the tweet completely and deliberately missing the point over what has gone on this week, I would say yes, they probably are, and rightly so for once.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Thank you and Goodbye

"Oh what a tangled web we weave
When first we practice to deceive". - Sir Walter Scott (Marmion, 1808)

Er..that's all.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I don't think so, Coulson resigned months ago, in many ways Cameron has shown loyalty to a person he has regarded as a friend. If Coulson is guilty then he's gulty of something that is despicable. However and not making two wrongs into a right is he any less guilty than Campbell who with his dodgy dossier and lies led us into a war in Iraq which not only resulted in the deaths of 100's of British troops but 10's of 1000's of Iraqi's. And he has continued to lie to the Chilcott enquiry.

I think MP's have to be careful here, as one thing that must come out of this is we have a free press. And the PCC needs to be more than a toothless tiger.

Quite.And I'm minded that Coulson's innocent until proved guilty.But if that happens, it certainly brings Cameron's judgement into question.
(btw the point I was making about a Blair/Kelly moment had nothing to do with Campbell and his sexed up dossier.Personally, I always felt the war on Iraq was illegal since it didn't have UN backing.The point about Kelly, was the revulsion that the British public had for his suicide, was a turning point for the Blair Government in terms of its decline in popularity.This could be a similar pivotal moment.Make no mistake,this scandal won't die down in a hurry.The current editor of the NOTW has indicated to staff that more scandals will emerge.If they're linked back to the Coulson era then the spotlight falls back on Cameron's judgement).
I'm really not sure that the demise of the NOTW and its muck raising illegal journalism based on phonehacking(as personified by that glorified rodent on Newsnight last night) has anything much to do with a free press at all.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Tomorrow's NOTW will be a collectors item then

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Tomorrow's NOTW will be a collectors item then

5 million copies printed apparently.Rather a large increase on their normal 2.6 million print run.Would you want one in your home?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Decline of the English Murder

"It is Sunday afternoon, preferably before the war. The wife is already asleep in the armchair, and the children have been sent out for a nice long walk. You put your feet up on the sofa, settle your spectacles on your nose, and open the News of the World."

Typical of the NOTW's hypocrisy, that they should quote this from George Orwell in their last edition.I'm quite sure that he would not have mourned their decline.
(Reminds me of John Major misappropriating some lines from him a few years back).As I please indeed.:thump:

 

[davewebbsbrain]

5 million copies printed apparently.Rather a large increase on their normal 2.6 million print run.Would you want one in your home?

Had one in my home every week for 15 odd years, one last paper won't kill me

 

[Thorpe Groyney]

But if it killed your kids, they wouldn't need to ring you to ask about it. They'd already have hacked your phone by then.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Interesting to read in The Observer that Ed Miliband will be announcing plans on Andrew Marr's Politics show to force a Commons vote on the BSKyB takeover deal.
That's what all this is really about.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Interesting to read in The Observer that Ed Miliband will be announcing plans on Andrew Marr's Politics show to force a Commons vote on the BSKyB takeover deal.
That's what all this is really about.

Very interesting if true...massive repercussions

 

[MK Shrimper]

Fortunately I'm ok for bog roll, so no need to waste my money on a "collectors" issue.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Fortunately I'm ok for bog roll, so no need to waste my money on a "collectors" issue.

Interestingly, the NOTW has highlighted a lot of things over the years that were good for the public. 168 years of coverage gone. That's a big thing. What they did was despicable, but there's no guarantee other papers haven't done the same and just not got caught. I think the NOTW has been used as an example. Journalism is about getting the best story possible, it seems that the NOTW has been caught out big time. Maybe the other papers will think twice in future.

One thing, where the journalists that hacked the phones etc employed by NOTW or freelance?

 

[MK Shrimper]

Interestingly, the NOTW has highlighted a lot of things over the years that were good for the public. 168 years of coverage gone. That's a big thing. What they did was despicable, but there's no guarantee other papers haven't done the same and just not got caught. I think the NOTW has been used as an example. Journalism is about getting the best story possible, it seems that the NOTW has been caught out big time. Maybe the other papers will think twice in future.

One thing, where the journalists that hacked the phones etc employed by NOTW or freelance?

I can't comment before recent times, but is exposing z-list slebs and Premiership footballers with a lust for young, nubile women news or even journalism?

I agree that other papers probably have done the same, hence why The Star's offices were raided. The popular press in this country have trampled over the rights of a free press.

And it's irrelevant if they were freelance or not - the NOTW still sanctioned the stories, the illegal way they gathered them, paid the scumbag journo's and ultimately published them.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

I can't comment before recent times, but is exposing z-list slebs and Premiership footballers with a lust for young, nubile women news or even journalism? I agree that other papers probably have done the same, hence why The Star's offices were raided. The popular press in this country have trampled over the rights of a free press.

And it's irrelevant if they were freelance or not - the NOTW still sanctioned the stories, the illegal way they gathered them, paid the scumbag journo's and ultimately published them.

The Profumo affair.
Great train robbery
Jeffrey Archer
Jamie Bulger murder
Princess Margaret Love letters
Hughie Green/Paula Yates
Paedophiles named and shamed


All these were reported first by the NOTW

The paedophiles being named and their locations was fantastic, caused masses of uproar and if it saves little kids being abused then that's brilliant journalism. They broke the law in doing so, but the result was brilliant, helped change the law in this country, you know about Sarah's Law don't you.


The trouble with lefty mugs is that they are so blinkered, they only ever see what they want to see.

 

[MK Shrimper]

The Profumo affair.
Great train robbery
Jeffrey Archer
Jamie Bulger murder
Princess Margaret Love letters
Hughie Green/Paula Yates
Paedophiles named and shamed


All these were reported first by the NOTW

The paedophiles being named and their locations was fantastic, caused masses of uproar and if it saves little kids being abused then that's brilliant journalism. They broke the law in doing so, but the result was brilliant, helped change the law in this country, you know about Sarah's Law don't you.


The trouble with lefty mugs is that they are so blinkered, they only ever see what they want to see.

Why take the high ground here? Are related to Murdoch? The NoTW hacked into the phone messages of a murdered girl and gave their parents false hope. Everything you've reported as high journalistic value (Princess Margaret love letter? Really?) was over ten years ago if not more.

 

[canveyshrimper]

Quite.And I'm minded that Coulson's innocent until proved guilty.But if that happens, it certainly brings Cameron's judgement into question.
(btw the point I was making about a Blair/Kelly moment had nothing to do with Campbell and his sexed up dossier.Personally, I always felt the war on Iraq was illegal since it didn't have UN backing.The point about Kelly, was the revulsion that the British public had for his suicide, was a turning point for the Blair Government in terms of its decline in popularity.This could be a similar pivotal moment.Make no mistake,this scandal won't die down in a hurry.The current editor of the NOTW has indicated to staff that more scandals will emerge.If they're linked back to the Coulson era then the spotlight falls back on Cameron's judgement).
I'm really not sure that the demise of the NOTW and its muck raising illegal journalism based on phonehacking(as personified by that glorified rodent on Newsnight last night) has anything much to do with a free press at all.

I think the public perception of the Blair Government started to change in the wake of taking us into Iraq. The Kelly murder or suicide exacerbated the situation. There's many that think the David Kelley was murdered, I'm not one of them I think he was driven to it by the manic pursuit of him and Gilligan by the odious Campbell.

I agree that the closure of the NOTW is anything to do with a free press, but we must have a free press in this country, and as I said in an earlier post the PCC must show more teeth in dealing with the excesses of the media.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Why take the high ground here? Are related to Murdoch? The NoTW hacked into the phone messages of a murdered girl and gave their parents false hope. Everything you've reported as high journalistic value (Princess Margaret love letter? Really?) was over ten years ago if not more.

Not taking the moral high ground, just pointing out that you only see that bad. Even now, you chose to ignore the Sarah's Law part of my post, the most significant move forward in protecting children from paedophiles in this country ever, mainly thanks to the NOTW.