Dangerous roads!

[graysblue]

You know, I'm really beginning to lose patience with this. I'll try one more time to explain it, then i'll just give up.

I'm not arguing either side of the drivers arguement, I'm arguing that the statistics are incomplete and one sided.

I'll give one more analogy as an example.

take the equation x = 4+y

what does x equal? You don't know, because you don't know what y equals.

Do you need to know what y equals to know that this equation doesn't contain enough information? Of course you don't.


The statistics you've given us are similar to this equation, and you're telling us what x equals. I'm merely saying that there is insufficient data top draw an analysis. I don't need to provide that data to prove that point, just show the hole where it would be.

Put simply, if I was debunking your views, I'd need to supply data. I'm merely debunking your data, and as such have just to show that data's missing (which I already have several times)

I hope this clears it up for you

you sir have accused me of being blinkered,bitter and your losing patience.

i have posted stats from reputable sources,you and others have shot those stats down without disproving them.

no one put a gun to your head to reply to this thread.

i hope this clears things up.

 

[steveo]

besides i dont drive in france .

you should try it. They overtake on a dual carriage way, then move back into the inside lane. Its a revelation, unlike some of the idiots in this country who think i'm doing 70 i am entitled to stay in the outside lane wether i am overtaking or not.

French A roads are superb.

 

[Crabby Shrimper]

you sir have accused me of being blinkered,bitter and your losing patience.

i have posted stats from reputable sources,you and others have shot those stats down without disproving them.

no one put a gun to your head to reply to this thread.

i hope this clears things up.

You really don't get it do you?

It's the LACK OF STATS that I'm shooting down. It's not a case of disproving them, the figures are probably accurate, but without other figures to compare them too (as mentioned previously) they tell us nothing. If you can't see that insufficient data gives potentially misleading answers then I'm obviously wasting my time.

 

[Nobby Snide]

I think what Swansea is trying to say, if there was a complete league table of ALL nationalities causing accidents on British roads, there would be something to compare fairly. without that, it is purely an article which is solely backing someones or in this case, an organisations opinion, maybe to justify thier existance, ormaybe its a back handed way of shooting your premiums higher.
It would be also interesting to see the figures for EVERY country for the same period, remember driving on the different side of the road is quite alien(sic) to some European drivers.

 

[Crabby Shrimper]

I think what Swansea is trying to say, if there was a complete league table of ALL nationalities causing accidents on British roads, there would be something to compare fairly. without that, it is purely an article which is solely backing someones or in this case, an organisations opinion, maybe to justify thier existance, ormaybe its a back handed way of shooting your premiums higher.
It would be also interesting to see the figures for EVERY country for the same period, remember driving on the different side of the road is quite alien(sic) to some European drivers.

at least someone can see it, thought I was typing in Swahili for a moment!

Also, the relevant populations of these nationals would also be required.

 

[Nobby Snide]

Also, the relevant populations of these nationals would also be required.

Jeez..dont say that, GB's response would be 'Too bloody many over 'ere'

 

[graysblue]

Jeez..dont say that, GB's response would be 'Too bloody many over 'ere'

you said it not me.


would you answer the following questions

if you or i parked illegally we would have to pay the fine
if you or i entered central london without paying the charge we would be fined
if you or i broke speed limits we would be fined
if you or i drove without insurance we would be fined
if you or i never paid fuel duty we would be fined or worse.

assuming you lived back here are you able to explain why the above does not apply to foreign drivers

 

[Nobby Snide]

I dont need to ask...pot kettle black..obvious really.

wasnt the original piece about accidents caused by eastern european drivers?

 

[graysblue]

I dont need to ask...pot kettle black..obvious really.

wasnt the original piece about accidents caused by eastern european drivers?

have you swerved my question? if not explain to myself what do you think ie do you think its ok for many 1000s to escape the law?

 

[Nobby Snide]

ive answered as you answer everyone elses....

 

[Crabby Shrimper]

To quote a rather nauseating song, there's good and bad in everyone.

There are Eastern Europeans living over here who are a waste. There's also Eastern Europeans over here that contribute to this society, the same could be said of us natives.

I'll give you an example. At work we've got a Polish girl, she's a lovely person, very hard worker, and popular with her colleagues. I've also met people who're British born n bred, sponge off the social, steal, and contribute nothing.

Immigration? I think it has its problems, but not everybody that comes here is a freeloader.

Out of interest, I'm guessing you're against letting all these foreigners come here, what about other countrys letting us emmigrate? Are you equally against that? How would you feel if British nationals weren't allowed to travel to France, just in case we disappeared into their black market labour force? Just curious.

 

[Nobby Snide]

A question I asked before, which has until now been ignored by GB, if you were the PM, what is your answer, what would you do to remedy this situation, going on the evidence that you have submitted to this forum.

 

[graysblue]

ive answered as you answer everyone elses....

surely a simple yes or no would suffice.

of course if you said yes they should face the same penalties as the rest of us it puts your previous replies into the dustbin.

so yes or no

 

[Nobby Snide]

surely a simple yes or no would suffice.

of course if you said yes they should face the same penalties as the rest of us it puts your previous replies into the dustbin.

so yes or no

I will answer this question...when you answer mine..yes or no?

the question you are trying to obtain an answer from is not what the thread was about initially was it? You have digressed away from the initial point..if you want me to answer this question, start a new thread solely about these issues and I would gladly reply.

 

[graysblue]

A question I asked before, which has until now been ignored by GB, if you were the PM, what is your answer, what would you do to remedy this situation, going on the evidence that you have submitted to this forum.

if i had been PM,approx 4 years ago i would have put into place stringent criteria for persons wishing to settle here.

 

[Nobby Snide]

if i had been PM,approx 4 years ago i would have put into place stringent criteria for persons wishing to settle here.

such as...?

ok, and now, what would you do?

 

[graysblue]

such as...?

ok, and now, what would you do?

only allowing workers into this country where there are shortages,in addition the borders would have become very strict.

for drivers using british roads and me still being PM is it not my duty to try and protect british drivers?

now answer my question.

 

[Nobby Snide]

Being PM you would be duty bound on protecting ALL Britsh citizens, both nationals as well as from the 'Commonwealth', as well as any foreign national allowed to live and work here, by European and International law.

 

[graysblue]

To quote a rather nauseating song, there's good and bad in everyone.

There are Eastern Europeans living over here who are a waste. There's also Eastern Europeans over here that contribute to this society, the same could be said of us natives.

I'll give you an example. At work we've got a Polish girl, she's a lovely person, very hard worker, and popular with her colleagues. I've also met people who're British born n bred, sponge off the social, steal, and contribute nothing.

Immigration? I think it has its problems, but not everybody that comes here is a freeloader.

Out of interest, I'm guessing you're against letting all these foreigners come here, what about other countrys letting us emmigrate? Are you equally against that? How would you feel if British nationals weren't allowed to travel to France, just in case we disappeared into their black market labour force? Just curious.

;people i know who have emmigrated have all gone with plenty of money ie 200k,another family went with 270k and finally another family went with 400k these families will go there to work and start new ventures thus employing people from the country.

 

[graysblue]

Being PM you would be duty bound on protecting ALL Britsh citizens, both nationals as well as from the 'Commonwealth', as well as any foreign national allowed to live and work here, by European and International law.

your phrase ALL british citizens,please explain after all your either british or not.

you still have not answered