CRISIS in FRANCE regards migrants

[callan]

If you feel you have to leave your homeland you are more likely to head to somewhere that has jobs - hence Germany would be a more sensible option than Spain

To put this into context there are approx 3,000 migrants presently at Calais, that is over half of what Spain took in 2014.
It has been argued here that the UK does not do enough....compared with some (Spain a country many times larger than us with much smaller population density) we are doing plenty.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Sorry,can't see any figures for Spain/Portugal here.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-24636868

I remember posting a link about that. As I recall, it was in the very small dozens, hence no reply.

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statis...s,_by_age_distribution,_2014_(¹)_YB15_III.png

This is direct from the EU's site, surprising that Germany take a 3rd of all incoming migrants whilst Spain and Portugal combined take less than one per cent!

It's fair to say that this particular issue attracts little or no attention in the Spanish/Catalan media-apart from that awful photo on Tarifa beach (near Cadiz), a few years back, where a couple were sunbathing just yards away from an immigrant's body washed up on the beach nearby.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

To put this into context there are approx 3,000 migrants presently at Calais, that is over half of what Spain took in 2014.
It has been argued here that the UK does not do enough....compared with some (Spain a country many times larger than us with much smaller population density) we are doing plenty.

It's already been mentioned on here that the fact that many immigrants already speak some sort of basic English is part of the UK's attraction.Along with more low-paid jobs and a flourishing "black" economy.

 

[mrsblue]

It's already been mentioned on here that the fact that many immigrants already speak some sort of basic English is part of the UK's attraction.Along with more low-paid jobs and a flourishing "black" economy.

That is the point though,

They take low paid jobs probably paying 10k and their tax bill is zero but they can claim tax credits and housing benefits,so in essence the country is minus revenue,not taking into account the cost of health care and education.

We have often been told that immigration is great for us all,yet I see overcrowded schools,NHS waiting rooms are heaving and just try and get a doctor appointment.

Britain is full to the brim.

 

[Jam_Man]

Overcrowded schools? My daughter started at senior school and it was under subscribed this year. My son's school has no more than a couple of 'immigrants' in his primary school.

 

[mrsblue]

Overcrowded schools? My daughter started at senior school and it was under subscribed this year. My son's school has no more than a couple of 'immigrants' in his primary school.

You were very lucky then !

 

[Jam_Man]

Nothing to do with luck. The numbers for entry this year were just low, the schools all made that clear when we went through the entry process. Youd have thought with all the immigrants filling the country to the brim we would have seen some sort of effect of that.

EDIT Just asked my daughter how many kids from Eastern Europe etc were in her school and she looked at me as if I were nuts and said she didnt know, maybe a couple?! Thats in 1500 kids.

If Immigration is overcrowding our schools it certainly has had no effect whatsoever at her school.

 

[Benfleet A1]

It's already been mentioned on here that the fact that many immigrants already speak some sort of basic English is part of the UK's attraction.Along with more low-paid jobs and a flourishing "black" economy.

I was under the impression that tax evasion was quite acceptable in Spain (especially Catalan) so the black economy should be thriving over there in the sun.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I was under the impression that tax evasion was quite acceptable in Spain (especially Catalan) so the black economy should be thriving over there in the sun.

For some people I know, it's their only or main source of income, (not my case I hasten to add).

Btw,Catalan is the language,the country/region is called Catalonia, (in English).

 

[Beefy]

That is the point though,

They take low paid jobs probably paying 10k and their tax bill is zero but they can claim tax credits and housing benefits,so in essence the country is minus revenue,not taking into account the cost of health care and education.

We have often been told that immigration is great for us all,yet I see overcrowded schools,NHS waiting rooms are heaving and just try and get a doctor appointment.

Britain is full to the brim.

Take the opinion at the bottom away and your post is a decent argument for letting them in and letting them stay. Let them contribute, let them pay their taxes and the problems you describe surely solve themselves.

 

[Lord Football]

To put this into context there are approx 3,000 migrants presently at Calais, that is over half of what Spain took in 2014.
It has been argued here that the UK does not do enough....compared with some (Spain a country many times larger than us with much smaller population density) we are doing plenty.

......and a much smaller economy.

And then there is Greece, with what, 50000 asylum seekers (coz that's actually what they are) on their beaches over there.
And then there is Italy with similar problems.
Both countries have more washing up on a daily basis.

And plenty don't make it, drowning with their families in a desperate attempt to get across the Med.

And then there is a the long and sorry story of a myriad of wars in the middle east perpetrated by the Governments of Bush and Blair, which had precious little to do with either 911 or WMD but everything to do with regime change. And now we reap the "rewards" of regime change. I'd run too if ISIS were bearing down on my house. I'd run fast and far.

And on that basis, I'd ask why the UK isn't doing more to help the people they were originally helping by removing their leaders. Or at least taking some form of responsibility for the utter cluster**** the world is in at the present time.

 

[mrsblue]

Take the opinion at the bottom away and your post is a decent argument for letting them in and letting them stay. Let them contribute, let them pay their taxes and the problems you describe surely solve themselves.

But if they earn minimum wage they won't pay any tax !,but are still entitled to other benefits and healthcare plus education,thus meaning those on minimum wage contribute nothing and indeed are taking in real terms.

If we take the 5000,how long do you think it would take before another 5000 were waiting in Calais?,I would guess a few days at most,do we take them too?

I don't buy the smuggling people thing,how many boats do they own?,why can't they be detected by radar or other means?

Britain is a tiny island and has the most occupied land mass in Europe,do we really need anymore?

 

[Jam_Man]

But if they earn minimum wage they won't pay any tax !,but are still entitled to other benefits and healthcare plus education,thus meaning those on minimum wage contribute nothing and indeed are taking in real terms.

If we take the 5000,how long do you think it would take before another 5000 were waiting in Calais?,I would guess a few days at most,do we take them too?

I don't buy the smuggling people thing,how many boats do they own?,why can't they be detected by radar or other means?

Britain is a tiny island and has the most occupied land mass in Europe,do we really need anymore?

When you fly over Britain you see just how very little of it is actually occupied.

Not as occupied as Belgium or Holland (the latter having twice as many people per square mile than us) and Germany around the same.

Source : http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0934666.html

 

[rigsby]

Nothing to do with luck. The numbers for entry this year were just low, the schools all made that clear when we went through the entry process. Youd have thought with all the immigrants filling the country to the brim we would have seen some sort of effect of that.

EDIT Just asked my daughter how many kids from Eastern Europe etc were in her school and she looked at me as if I were nuts and said she didnt know, maybe a couple?! Thats in 1500 kids.

If Immigration is overcrowding our schools it certainly has had no effect whatsoever at her school.

Slightly different in many London Boroughs

 

[rigsby]

But if they earn minimum wage they won't pay any tax !,but are still entitled to other benefits and healthcare plus education,thus meaning those on minimum wage contribute nothing and indeed are taking in real terms.

If we take the 5000,how long do you think it would take before another 5000 were waiting in Calais?,I would guess a few days at most,do we take them too?

I don't buy the smuggling people thing,how many boats do they own?,why can't they be detected by radar or other means?

Britain is a tiny island and has the most occupied land mass in Europe,do we really need anymore?

Who cares. As long as we have an endless supply of cheap and subsidised (by the tax payer) labour.

Companies such as next are run using the part time/ zero hours loophole. If you pay lees than £150 per week the employer is exempt from any NHS contributions. So they get 20,000 cheap workers, we top up their earnings with working tax credits etc. The NHS gets nothing so we can pay for that bit as well.

By the way cost of the NHS is £8,000 per year for every tax payer in Britton. The welfare bill is another £4,000 per tax payer. That £12000 per year doesn't include all the other costs, like to educate our children or even drop a bomb on other peoples children etc.

 

[mrsblue]

Who cares. As long as we have an endless supply of cheap and subsidised (by the tax payer) labour.

Companies such as next are run using the part time/ zero hours loophole. If you pay lees than £150 per week the employer is exempt from any NHS contributions. So they get 20,000 cheap workers, we top up their earnings with working tax credits etc. The NHS gets nothing so we can pay for that bit as well.

By the way cost of the NHS is £8,000 per year for every tax payer in Britton. The welfare bill is another £4,000 per tax payer. That £12000 per year doesn't include all the other costs, like to educate our children or even drop a bomb on other peoples children etc.

Don't forget in their numbers there may be terrorists too,yet some just want them all to march in.

Ship them all back or let them claim asylum in France.

 

[Beefy]

But if they earn minimum wage they won't pay any tax !,but are still entitled to other benefits and healthcare plus education,thus meaning those on minimum wage contribute nothing and indeed are taking in real terms.

If we take the 5000,how long do you think it would take before another 5000 were waiting in Calais?,I would guess a few days at most,do we take them too?

I don't buy the smuggling people thing,how many boats do they own?,why can't they be detected by radar or other means?

Britain is a tiny island and has the most occupied land mass in Europe,do we really need anymore?

Why not kick out any Brits on low wages then?

The numbers of people trying to get into the UK compared to other countries would suggest that we're not a particularly attractive destination for most. The weather is ****, the benefits are modest at best, xenophobia is on the rise. That is unlikely to change if we start to actually take our burden of the impact of this crisis.

When you fly over Britain you see just how very little of it is actually occupied.

Not as occupied as Belgium or Holland (the latter having twice as many people per square mile than us) and Germany around the same.

Source : http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0934666.html

Indeed. Less than 2.5% of England is built on. We're neither a tiny island nor are we bursting at the seams.

The Great Myth of Urban Britain

 

[callan]

Why not kick out any Brits on low wages then?

The numbers of people trying to get into the UK compared to other countries would suggest that we're not a particularly attractive destination for most. The weather is ****, the benefits are modest at best, xenophobia is on the rise. That is unlikely to change if we start to actually take our burden of the impact of this crisis.



Indeed. Less than 2.5% of England is built on. We're neither a tiny island nor are we bursting at the seams.

The Great Myth of Urban Britain

How many should refugees are you proposing to take?

As you point out we have plenty of Land mass available, where are you proposing in the UK they should all live?

How will you ensure that there are enough Jobs available so they can work.

We already have a housing Crisis, how are you proposing to house them?

How will you ensure that there are enough Doctors and school places available?

How much money are you prepared to spend on Asylum seekers bearing in mind Austerity?

 

[mrsblue]

How many should refugees are you proposing to take?

As you point out we have plenty of Land mass available, where are you proposing in the UK they should all live?

How will you ensure that there are enough Jobs available so they can work.

We already have a housing Crisis, how are you proposing to house them?

How will you ensure that there are enough Doctors and school places available?

How much money are you prepared to spend on Asylum seekers bearing in mind Austerity?

We are constantly told migrants bring billions into the money pot and indeed they benefit us all.

My idea

Choose one large plot of countryside,then build a mega city named migrantville.Migrantville will be the pinnacle of success with its population topping 15,000,000 whilst various tribes demand their share of the riches on offer.

Migrantville will be solely funded by the British taxpayer with the starting tax rate at 30p rising to 99p,every Citizen in Migrantville will be a millionaire whilst having families so large that after just a few years the Government decide to build Migrantville 2,this city will become the largest in the universe holding 30,000,0000 ,British taxpayers now work for nothing with many becoming slaves in the two cities.

British prime minister Dravid Khan states the British are lazy and work shy and demands they all have 3 jobs each without pay,public flogging has become the national sport with Ladbrokes offering 2/1 that Russian champ Ivor Stiffy can withstand 1000 lashes.

20 million Brits are now camped at Dover trying to emigrant to Europe,yet PM Khan has ruled "these scum will never leave these shores" he then added "who will do the manual work"

Britain now has a population greater than India.

The British cricket team however have not lost a single game for 25 year's.

 

[mrsblue]

So from March 2014 to March this year net migration was a staggering 330,000.

Crazy !