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CRISIS in FRANCE regards migrants

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Massimo Giovanni said:
Come Come TIUB, you are being circumspect, you must realise that if you enter a security area (trespass in Le Tunnel) etc you are breaking laws AND that if required by Le Gendarmerie to produce identification you must.
It follows that the "campers" at Calais are thus in full view of the French Plod who must be ignoring their own laws.
How anyone (or you) gets into France is up to them (the French) but surely if they (or you) are there they must obey the French laws or they are being naughty.
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My point is that France like Spain, (or Italy or Greece for that matter) but not the UK, is part of the Schengen Area.

There is free movement of people between Schenegen countries and no legal requirement to process immigrants, (that I'm aware of).

FWIW,I believe the immigrant who nearly reached the UK walking through the tunnel last week, was arrested.

Otherwise, it's difficult to see what "crimes," as such, are being committed by immigrants in Calais.
 
Tangled up in Blue said:
My point is that France like Spain, (or Italy or Greece for that matter) but not the UK, is part of the Schengen Area.

There is free movement of people between Schenegen countries and no legal requirement to process immigrants, (that I'm aware of).

FWIW,I believe the immigrant who nearly reached the UK walking through the tunnel last week, was arrested.

Otherwise, it's difficult to see what "crimes," as such, are being committed by immigrants in Calais.
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I am sure France has similar laws as in the UK & that trespass on railway would be one, or indeed in dock yard areas without boarding pass/legitimate excuse. (Incidentally, & unrelated to topic, arson in HMP Dockyards is unrepealed hanging/death penalty!)
Again it is manadatory to show identification to police (no reason required apparently over there) and illegal not to produce such, and many of the countries these chaps and chapesses come from require visa before entry into EU. QED the french Police could, should/ought to be doing more and if the persons then are illegal they then either ask for asylum processing or get deported - Non?
 
Massimo Giovanni said:
I am sure France has similar laws as in the UK & that trespass on railway would be one, or indeed in dock yard areas without boarding pass/legitimate excuse. (Incidentally, & unrelated to topic, arson in HMP Dockyards is unrepealed hanging/death penalty!)
Again it is manadatory to show identification to police (no reason required apparently over there) and illegal not to produce such, and many of the countries these chaps and chapesses come from require visa before entry into EU. QED the french Police could, should/ought to be doing more and if the persons then are illegal they then either ask for asylum processing or get deported - Non?
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Why should France sort out the UK's immigration problems?

This is something that needs to be sorted at EU level

I'm sure the UK's partner countries in the EU would be a lot more sympathetic to the UK's immigration problems, if the UK were itself to pay more heed to requests from other EU countries to take in their fair share of asylum seekers and economc migrants, ie accede to quota requests.
 
davew said:
Hi I am deadly serious drastic action is needed, then maybe if there was Billions of pounds in lost trade
the government would take this problem seriously and stop pussy footing around.

Are you saying the UK should let anybody in ?

What my campaign was about was for the UK government to take proper action if they are illegal / breaking laws.

Obviously the UK has a duty to take / vet LEGAL asylum seekers
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Billions of pounds in lost trade. Thousands made redundant on both side of the channel and across Europe. Yup, solid and sound reasoned debate :nope:

If you'd seen my previous posts on this matter you'd know full well I'm NOT in favor of uncontrolled migration across Europe. I strongly believe that all European countries should be free to police their own borders and set immigration policy. That's not my point though. My points are these....

1. Shutting the tunnel for any length of time would have huge financial and social repercussions that would be felt for years to come and won't happen.
2. As with your other petitions/campaigns (or whatever they are) you haven't put forward coherent arguments or solutions that can either be implemented or agreed with. Once again you have taken an immensely complicated problem and reduced it to it's most basic terms and simplified it. Hence why there are no simple solutions, including shutting the tunnel.

I don't have the answers and I don't pretend to have them. What I do know is. Creating a multitude of problems and hardship for thousands of people as you suggest to solve another problem is not the way forward.
 
davewebbsbrain said:
I didn't say she would be a problem. I was just asking why she wants to work in the UK? They need doctor's in all countries
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She speaks good English which is why the press chose her to interview, and barely speaks any French or any other language apart from Serbian or English?
 
Let them in.

They obviously want to be here. They obviously want to contribute. Let them in. Legalise them. Let them earn, let them pay tax. Most of them want to come here because they can speak English.

Its got to be far cheaper than chucking a shed load of money at pointless security that doesn't work, and the chaos caused to businesses who are having their goods stopped on the M20.

In comparison to other EU nations we take far less than our fair share, we just moan about it a lot because we don't like foreign people. Time to grow up and get with the century.
 
Lord Football said:
Let them in.

They obviously want to be here. They obviously want to contribute. Let them in. Legalise them. Let them earn, let them pay tax. Most of them want to come here because they can speak English.

Its got to be far cheaper than chucking a shed load of money at pointless security that doesn't work, and the chaos caused to businesses who are having their goods stopped on the M20.

In comparison to other EU nations we take far less than our fair share, we just moan about it a lot because we don't like foreign people. Time to grow up and get with the century.
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If they are breaking the law / illegal why should we let them in, sure if they legally claiming AYSLUM we have a duty to let them stay if they are genuine.

I am a son of a migrant (mother from s ireland) myself, so I am not against genuine cases, but there is no rule that if they speak English you can come and live here etc
 
davew said:
If they are breaking the law / illegal why should we let them in, sure if they legally claiming AYSLUM we have a duty to let them stay if they are genuine.

I am a son of a migrant (mother from s ireland) myself, so I am not against genuine cases, but there is no rule that if they speak English you can come and live here etc
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But they are breaking a law (albeit not here) in order to get in. If we let them in, they wouldn't need to break any law. They only break the law in the UK at the point they get into the UK. At the point they get into the UK they are able to claim asylum here. You can't claim asylum in the UK if you are in France.

And its not really a crisis. That's the racist jingoistic British press take on it. The real crisis is in Greece and Italy where they've got 50000 migrants and more arriving every day. Actually the real crisis is in Syria, Libya and Iraq where groups of people are going around executing children on spurious religious grounds resulting in tens of thousands of people attempting to live somewhere safe. Thats the real crisis.
 
Lord Football said:
Let them in.

They obviously want to be here. They obviously want to contribute. Let them in. Legalise them. Let them earn, let them pay tax. Most of them want to come here because they can speak English.

Its got to be far cheaper than chucking a shed load of money at pointless security that doesn't work, and the chaos caused to businesses who are having their goods stopped on the M20.

In comparison to other EU nations we take far less than our fair share, we just moan about it a lot because we don't like foreign people. Time to grow up and get with the century.
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So we allow the 5000 entry,then once the word spreads another 5000 will quickly assemble,so we allow those in too,then 10,000 will assemble then add any number you wish.

Why do you think Greece and Italy have been swamped?,because once they land in those countries they then phone home and invite their family and pals to join them.

Those in France should have been rounded up and sent back to where ever they cam from.

You claim shed load of money which in reality is a few million,yet on the other thread you don't mind the mountain of cash going to overseas aid which is around £10,000,000,000 ,now that is a shed load.
 
callan said:
Out of interest how many Asylum seekers does Spain and Portugal take compared to the UK?
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Think i I am right in saying both offer very little in hand outs and Spain demand a contribution to their health service,hence why these "desperate"people don't go to these countries.
 
mrsblue said:
Think i I am right in saying both offer very little in hand outs and Spain demand a contribution to their health service,hence why these "desperate"people don't go to these countries.
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If you feel you have to leave your homeland you are more likely to head to somewhere that has jobs - hence Germany would be a more sensible option than Spain
 
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