CRISIS in FRANCE regards migrants

[Jam_Man]

Why let facts get in the way of hysteria!?

 

[Ricky Otto]

Its pretty obvious I tried to start a campaign for the UK public to try force the Gov stop/fix the CRISIS in Calais regarding migrants. I don't actually blame the migrants I blame the UK government for not sorting the the problem out.

My aim was to get loads of UK subjects to protest (every one I know is complaining about this)
to the UK Gov for doing so little,

hope this makes sense

you should hook up with this guy

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...ver-calais-plans_n_7972238.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

 

[davew]

So no contribution from Dave who started the petition. Obviously something he isnt overly passionate about :smile:

Hi I have been away (not France)

If you don't agree with me, no problem, thank god we have free speech.

If you agree with me please sign the campaign I started.

Regards what the Gov can do 2 suggestions

1 Close the tunnel + strongly police the ports

2 Use the armed services to police the situ

 

[Jam_Man]

Hi I have been away (not France)

If you don't agree with me, no problem, thank god we have free speech.

If you agree with me please sign the campaign I started.

Regards what the Gov can do 2 suggestions

1 Close the tunnel + strongly police the ports

2 Use the armed services to police the situ

Close the tunnel? You realise its used for trade and businesses rely on it?

 

[davew]

Close the tunnel? You realise its used for trade and businesses rely on it?

I sure do, but drastic action is needed.

What do you suggest

 

[Jam_Man]

I sure do, but drastic action is needed.

What do you suggest

I have no idea, I'm not an expert and Ill leave the authorities to deal with it.

I dont really care much to be honest, I havent pressed the panic button after seeing a few news stories.

Did you bother to read what Napster posted a link to which adds a little bit of perspective to whats actually happening ? http://www.buzzfeed.com/tomchivers/the-reality-of-the-calais-swarm-of-migrants

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

How you read the figures can be important; less asylum claims in 1st contact countries (Italy & Spain) than in the UK and only marginally more in Greece and France.
Does this not suggest that the problem is a lot more about economical migration than fleeing a high risk to place of safety? - which is the nub of HR and welfare concerns.
And as the reports states the figure other than the "claimers" are guess work as other numbers are unknown,

 

[davew]

that's my campaign is all about ref "Ill leave the authorities to deal with it."

They are not dealing with it or if they think they are, they are making a v bad job of it.

Just ask the people who reside in KENT

 

[Napster]

that's my campaign is all about ref "Ill leave the authorities to deal with it."

They are not dealing with it or if they think they are, they are making a v bad job of it.

Just ask the people who reside in KENT

I live in KENT. Its hyperbolic scaremongering.

 

[Jedi Shrimper]

I sure do, but drastic action is needed.

What do you suggest

what the **** do you expect me to do?! :nope:

 

[RHB]

what the **** do you expect me to do?! :nope:

Pretty obvious to me:

1 Close the tunnel + strongly police the ports

2 Use the armed services to police the situ

Come on Drastic, sort it out mate!!

 

[Crabby Shrimper]

These migrants that want to enter the UK, why don't they settle in France, Germany, Spain etc etc?

I saw an interview the other day with a woman from somewhere like Serbia who wanted to come to the UK. She is a qualified doctor and is willing to work 7 days a week. Why can't she just live in France and work 7 days a week?

What makes the UK so special? Is it because we are a soft touch and give immigrants what they want? Genuine question, I would like to know what the appeal is compared to the likes of France, Spain. The weather in the UK isn't that good, can't really see the appeal, unless of course we are the only tolerant government in Europe

Why would she be a problem? It doesn't sound as if she'd be on benefits, more that she'd be doing a useful job.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Why would she be a problem? It doesn't sound as if she'd be on benefits, more that she'd be doing a useful job.

I didn't say she would be a problem. I was just asking why she wants to work in the UK? They need doctor's in all countries

 

[Bielzibubz]

Close the tunnel? You realise its used for trade and businesses rely on it?

I sure do, but drastic action is needed.

What do you suggest

Are you serious? Naive or what. :nope:

Billions of pounds in lost trade that isn't coming in or going out going out of the country. Businesses both small and medium in size going to the wall because they cant trade economically. Thousands and thousands of jobs lost in Kent and elsewhere that rely on that trade and the subsequent social knock on effects that has.

You've seen and read the businesses here in the UK already failing because of the French strikers action in France and the chaos on the M2. Now imagine that scenario x10 if you closed the tunnel even for a short space of time (which wouldn't fix the problem anyway)

You really haven't thought this one out have you?

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

I have often wondered why the French can not " process" these persons at the camps or where they find them around Calais.
My legal knowledge of French law is not much BUT I do know that ID cards are mandatory there and presumably that applies to foreigners too, these people may either have some ID or won't. What ever they could be processed into the legal system.
of course that would make the claims in France BUT that is where they are. If their claims are genuine then they are safe and in a time will have status confirmed and can move with a temporary status travel document.
People keep talking of low numbers, thousands only, BUT if that was the true numbers I am sure France would be doing it's duty/proper policing role rather than tacit allowance to the risky and sometimes criminal behavior at the border crossing/tunnel points.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I have often wondered why the French can not " process" these persons at the camps or where they find them around Calais.
My legal knowledge of French law is not much BUT I do know that ID cards are mandatory there and presumably that applies to foreigners too, these people may either have some ID or won't. What ever they could be processed into the legal system.
of course that would make the claims in France BUT that is where they are. If their claims are genuine then they are safe and in a time will have status confirmed and can move with a temporary status travel document.
People keep talking of low numbers, thousands only, BUT if that was the true numbers I am sure France would be doing it's duty/proper policing role rather than tacit allowance to the risky and sometimes criminal behavior at the border crossing/tunnel points.

You're quite right about French citizens being required to have ID cards.

However,remember that France is a member of the Schengen Area.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area

As such, I don't believe France is under any obligation to "process" immigrants ,unless they're applying for French citizenship, or refugee status.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

You're quite right about French citizens being required to have ID cards.

However,remember that France is a member of the Schengen Area.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area

As such, I don't believe France is under any obligation to "process" immigrants ,unless they're applying for French citizenship, or refugee status.

TUIB you are missing my central point, as ID cards are mandatory either these persons have them and must still be legal visitors to the EU or they don;t in which case they are breaking French law and should be processed.
Why aren't the French Gendarmes doing this when they are happy to fine motorists for not having a warning triangle etc?

And Schengen is a nice little place on the R. Mosselle I believe and borders France, Luxembourg and Germany. The locals cross borders regularly to make the best of different prices/tax for duty on petrol, beer etc.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

TUIB you are missing my central point, as ID cards are mandatory either these persons have them and must still be legal visitors to the EU or they don;t in which case they are breaking French law and should be processed.
Why aren't the French Gendarmes doing this when they are happy to fine motorists for not having a warning triangle etc?

And Schengen is a nice little place on the R. Mosselle I believe and borders France, Luxembourg and Germany. The locals cross borders regularly to make the best of different prices/tax for duty on petrol, beer etc.

I'm in France atm and I've been here for over a week now.Nobody asked to see my passport (or Spanish ID card) at the border with Spain, nor have I been asked to produce any ID this week.

However, since I'm legally resident in Spain and have no intention of applying for either French citizenship or refugee status,I'm sure I'm here perfectly legally.France is in the Schengen Area,after all, (as is Spain).

 

[davew]

Are you serious? Naive or what. :nope:

Billions of pounds in lost trade that isn't coming in or going out going out of the country. Businesses both small and medium in size going to the wall because they cant trade economically. Thousands and thousands of jobs lost in Kent and elsewhere that rely on that trade and the subsequent social knock on effects that has.

You've seen and read the businesses here in the UK already failing because of the French strikers action in France and the chaos on the M2. Now imagine that scenario x10 if you closed the tunnel even for a short space of time (which wouldn't fix the problem anyway)

You really haven't thought this one out have you?

Hi I am deadly serious drastic action is needed, then maybe if there was Billions of pounds in lost trade
the government would take this problem seriously and stop pussy footing around.

Are you saying the UK should let anybody in ?

What my campaign was about was for the UK government to take proper action if they are illegal / breaking laws.

Obviously the UK has a duty to take / vet LEGAL asylum seekers

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

I'm in France atm and I've been here for over a week now.Nobody asked to see my passport (or Spanish ID card) at the border with Spain, nor have I been asked to produce any ID this week.

However, since I'm legally resident in Spain and have no intention of applying for either French citizenship or refugee status,I'm sure I'm here perfectly legally.France is in the Schengen Area,after all, (as is Spain).

Come Come TIUB, you are being circumspect, you must realise that if you enter a security area (trespass in Le Tunnel) etc you are breaking laws AND that if required by Le Gendarmerie to produce identification you must.
It follows that the "campers" at Calais are thus in full view of the French Plod who must be ignoring their own laws.
How anyone (or you) gets into France is up to them (the French) but surely if they (or you) are there they must obey the French laws or they are being naughty.