A Bit of Fun Brown: Prosser wants to leave

[rhrussell]

I strongly believe the situation with Prosser has been engineered, at the last AGM Ron Martin publicly stated he prefered Adam Barrett to Prosser, and PB record of man management is poor you only have to look at the issues he's had at other clubs. PB could not wait to drop Prosser earlier in the season for not clearing his back area result dropped, along with Bolger, AB returned, Luke is a good club player more than capable of League 1 level, but has been treated terribly by the club, I for one wish him all the best in a new club, hopefully in league 1 to show the doubters on here. He would make a great captain of another club. And I hope the club will make it easier for him to sign elsewhere.

For the record I hope the situation comes back and bits Brown on the ar....

 

[Bkdside]

I strongly believe the situation with Prosser has been engineered, at the last AGM Ron Martin publicly stated he prefered Adam Barrett to Prosser, and PB record of man management is poor you only have to look at the issues he's had at other clubs. PB could not wait to drop Prosser earlier in the season for not clearing his back area result dropped, along with Bolger, AB returned, Luke is a good club player more than capable of League 1 level, but has been treated terribly by the club, I for one wish him all the best in a new club, hopefully in league 1 to show the doubters on here. He would make a great captain of another club. And I hope the club will make it easier for him to sign elsewhere.

For the record I hope the situation comes back and bits Brown on the ar....

Bit of strange comment on the last bit...coz if that happens it most likely bites SUFC on the ***. No one is bigger than this club, if he doesn't want to be here...see ya. The bloke is no where near captain quality for league one. Can see him going same way as Clifford...

 

[Gt Yarmouth Shrimper]

I strongly believe the situation with Prosser has been engineered, at the last AGM Ron Martin publicly stated he prefered Adam Barrett to Prosser, and PB record of man management is poor you only have to look at the issues he's had at other clubs. PB could not wait to drop Prosser earlier in the season for not clearing his back area result dropped, along with Bolger, AB returned, Luke is a good club player more than capable of League 1 level, but has been treated terribly by the club, I for one wish him all the best in a new club, hopefully in league 1 to show the doubters on here. He would make a great captain of another club. And I hope the club will make it easier for him to sign elsewhere.

For the record I hope the situation comes back and bits Brown on the ar....

Got to be a wind up?:omg:

 

[rigsby]

Atkinson wont be leaving, he appears a PB favourite at times and often a go to player. The fact that he plays ahead of Timlin says it all

Timlin had a poor game at Swindon, yes I know he's been out for a while but it clearly showed. Many people who were at Saturdays game thought Atkinson was our best midfielder. Others like myself thought he would on any other day been MOM had it not been for Bentley. So PB was 100% correct to pick Atkinson. He set a great example of how to respond to a mangers 'chat'. Which is exactly what the club needed this week.

Yes he has his limitations but its down to others to supply the 'entertainment'. Early in the first half on Saturday he made a great run forward and got in to a position where he should have shot from 20yds first time on his left but tried to drag it inside the defender on to his right and lost the ball. Of course there were groans and to make it worse Peterborough broke quickly and ended up putting a real decent cross in to our far post. Good job we had a man there to head it clear. That man being Will Atkinson.

 

[shrimperjon]

Timlin had a poor game at Swindon, yes I know he's been out for a while but it clearly showed. Many people who were at Saturdays game thought Atkinson was our best midfielder. Others like myself thought he would on any other day been MOM had it not been for Bentley. So PB was 100% correct to pick Atkinson. He set a great example of how to respond to a mangers 'chat'. Which is exactly what the club needed this week.

Yes he has his limitations but its down to others to supply the 'entertainment'. Early in the first half on Saturday he made a great run forward and got in to a position where he should have shot from 20yds first time on his left but tried to drag it inside the defender on to his right and lost the ball. Of course there were groans and to make it worse Peterborough broke quickly and ended up putting a real decent cross in to our far post. Good job we had a man there to head it clear. That man being Will Atkinson.

Look im not slating Will Atkinson, i actually do really like the guy. Yes, skill wise he has his limitations, but one thing you will always get is work rate. He gives 100% all the time. Games like Saturday where PB wanted players to put a real shift in are perfect for Atkinson. However, in the case of Timlin over the past few seasons we have looked a better side with him in the middle of the park and preferably next to Leonard. The team Saturday battled so hard and worked as a team, maybe something the side had been lacking in previous weeks. Im guessing that the same 11 will probably start on Saturday and probably deservedly so. Would still rather Timlin was in the side and certainly ahead of Deegan

 

[Sandbach Shrimper]

I like Prosser and he's been a good servant but probably the right time for him to leave. He's 4th choice at the moment and he probably needs to move to get regular football. He'd be a decent signing for any League Two team or even a lower League One team like our friends in North Essex.

 

[Stuart W]

I would argue against the 'scapegoatong' . There are a lot of fans on here that can't wait to take direct or indirect hits at Prosser and fail to see anything positive in him . ie Before 3.00pm Saturday lots saying glad Barretts back as he adds expereience to the defence etc- this seems to forget that we got stuffed twice with Barrett playing ! Maybe my memory is playing tricks, but I could have sworn that on match report on here this season he has got numerous mom ratings - strange for a player not good enough at this level. The fact Barna doesn't rate him ( 'watching' from another country) should be enough to prove he can play ! Other players get given the benefit of the doubt or get comments like 'his not match fit yet- give him a chance', or 'give him a run of games and then see' . Oftern people that made these comments would not apply that luxry to Prosser

As others have said he is/was the most committed player in our squad IMO. I can recall his reaction to us getting to Wembley (both times and it was significantly more positive that the other palyers that deep down knew they would not be playing. (its easy being committed when you are guarentted to play).

I wish him well for the future. I don't know what happened the same as most people. I would love to know what hass happened becasue the general view of Prosser as a person (not a football player) was extremely positive and I find my personal opinion at him at odds with someone that would have done something so bad as to make his manager (according to others on here) state that he will neve play for us again.

If it is correct that there are others that 'dont want to be here' then is something deeper worng ? Or are the comments slighly misleading and its simply players that are not playing wanting to play. ie. They don't think they will get the game time they want under Brown and thats why they want to leave. To me that is different from 'not wanting to be here' .

Good luck for the future, and if you end up mplaying against us I hope you get a good reception

Excellent post. Totally endorse what you say about Prosser.

 

[onceknownasrab]

I like Prosser and he's been a good servant but probably the right time for him to leave. He's 4th choice at the moment and he probably needs to move to get regular football. He'd be a decent signing for any League Two team or even a lower League One team like our friends in North Essex.

Despite the naysayers on here, most managers prefer and PB has demonstrated, to have a left footed CB on the pitch which makes Prosser 2nd choice. His improvement and opportunity with us was checked by the return of AB and the subsequent decision of AB to stave off retirement for a further year. I like AB but I think he got the nod too many times when maybe he should not have.

Prosser, seemingly, has been a consummate professional and has been unfortunate to be deprived of more opportunity to progress with us. I still believe he is perfectly able to do a job in this league and potentially, if the lack of opportunity has not hindered him, he could have gone on to do a job at a level higher.

The lad has to think about his career, his future and his earnings, just as any adult does. Circumstances have led to those matters being damaged and I have every sympathy for him. If he let off steam, erupted, whatever, I would see that as quite natural given the situation. I very much hope he goes on to have success wherever he plays and at 27 he is still coming to his best.

As for us? Well that leaves us with one left footed, close to retirement, unable to play every game CB. So I certainly hope Prosser's replacement shows even a fraction of the loyalty and humility that Luke has. That will be a tall order.

 

[OldBlueLady]

The difference between prosser and deegan is we have other players who can do what prosser does, but we don't have another player who can do the role deegan can do, the dirty work of breaking up the play, getting stuck in and being the rock it so called "hard man" in the middle. Can be valuable in this league on those northern trips when other players might not fancy it.

I disagree. Timlin is quite capable of playing this role.

 

[Rattus Norvegicus]

I disagree. Timlin is quite capable of playing this role.

Yes ......... and no. I agree that Tims can patrol the central area, cut down space and restrict the opposition from playing .......... But I have also said "no" as I don't see Tims as "hard man" or "enforcer" as I think he is just that little bit more subtle than that! And he also (to me) adds a little more in terms of attack.

 

[rlb999]

Bit of strange comment on the last bit...coz if that happens it most likely bites SUFC on the ***. No one is bigger than this club, if he doesn't want to be here...see ya. The bloke is no where near captain quality for league one. Can see him going same way as Clifford...

Sometimes when a player wants to leave it's 'see ya'. When someone like Prosser wants to leave it's goodbye and good luck. His commitment to the cause over a number of seasons earns him a bit more respect. I sort of get the comment of the previous poster that he hopes it bites PB on the *** - it shows that whilst Phil has done better than most of our managers (and therefore also deserves a bit of respect) there's something about the bloke that some people don't warm to. Hard to define what exactly it is - I think I disliked him initially because I thought Sturrock was hard done by - I have to say that if Brown was given the boot now I'd feel he was hard done by even if we appointed Mourinho.

 

[SouthLondonShrimper]

Its all well and good getting rid of bad influences but we aren't exactly pulling up trees in the transfer market.

 

[Rattus Norvegicus]

Sometimes when a player wants to leave it's 'see ya'. When someone like Prosser wants to leave it's goodbye and good luck. His commitment to the cause over a number of seasons earns him a bit more respect. I sort of get the comment of the previous poster that he hopes it bites PB on the *** - it shows that whilst Phil has done better than most of our managers (and therefore also deserves a bit of respect) there's something about the bloke that some people don't warm to. Hard to define what exactly it is - I think I disliked him initially because I thought Sturrock was hard done by - I have to say that if Brown was given the boot now I'd feel he was hard done by even if we appointed Mourinho.

I'm not sure that P.B. has a donkey ....... and if it is likely to be bitten then I'm contacting the R.S.P.C.A.


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[Ailsa Road Shrimper]

As we have a large squad this season it is understandable that there will be some who are unhappy with being omitted from the team, no player wants to spend long spells on the sidelines. When we were promoted twice under Tilly a feature of the success was the good team spirit a small squad brought, practically every player was involved so there were not many unhappy people who couldn't get a game. Obviously a small squad is not ideal due to the lack of cover for injuries but it can have its benefits.

I agree with many others on here that Prosser has been a good servant to the club but is not up to playing regularly at league one level. As for others who are on their way out, I wouldn't be sorry to see Hurst of Worrall depart. Again, they were decent for league two but I haven't seen anything to suggest they will be valuable as anything more than squad players at this level. I would hope Timlin is not one of those looking to move, he had hardly played for the last couple of months so I would imagine he is lacking match fitness at the moment, I presume this is the reason for him being in the bench on Saturday rather than anything else.

 

[DTS]

Love the way people think it's a conspiracy. I would argue it's a conspiracy that he has lasted this long at then club.

He is poor on the deck, he gives away possession constantly, he panics in possession, he isn't that dominant in the air given his size, he is slow. I mean really what are we missing here. I struggle to name one major asset he has other than he is a good club man which with all due respects in nice but not much use.

The two best runs we had at the end of the last two season coincided with him being dropped and better defenders coming in ( Egan and Jakub and then Prosser and Barrett).

He is 4th choice centre back and for my mind surplus to requirements.

 

[Bratislava Blue]

I decided to take the time and read all of the posts on this thread before placing my comments on here....

Firstly, when a player like Prosser has been omitted from 1st team duties and is placed behind a 'hero come legend' that has demonstrated his experience but has not really made the stand out appearances that others being omitted would justify, then you can sympathise with Prosser.

However, as a squad member he should also accept that unless he is told 'you're not part of my plans' then patience is required.

Secondly after suffering the humiliating home defeats that we did something was not right. In neither of those games did the team as a whole show up. Now, there are a lot of Brown knockers and believers on this message board and I understand that everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, for those knockers, how many of those expected us to be higher than we were after those 2 home defeats. I am a believer and I was still pinching myself that we had got enough points to maintain a top 10 position.

My third point is related to the Swindon defeat. PB made many changes and those changes resulted in us completely bossing the game for 20 mins. The 2 goals that we conceded weren't because PB changed anything, tactics, personnel etc. Those same 11 players most of which had not been included in previous matches didn't know how to protect that 2 goal lead.. His HT team talk to this group didn't have the desired effect and the team imploded. Now this is a team that had contained Prosser. He had been given his chance to prove himself and maybe he just got found out at this level and didn't like to hear the harsh reality from a manager that will manage more games in his managerial career than Prosser will ever play. Brown was a good defender in his day so he will also know things about defending. Our goals conceded record with PB speaks volumes. After conceding 11 goals in 3 matches I am sure he was hurting and he was expecting the team to hurt too. Maybe Prosser said ' How am I supposed to prove myself if you don't pick me on a regular basis'.. The truth is we will never know.

My fourth and final point is related to the last result. Again he made changes. Reference was made on the radio and this board about his absence in the technical area. Maybe he said to those 11 players that he picked. 'prove to me that you can do for the team what the tactics and the formation is intended to do'. Now on the whole they did. It worked. If you listen to Westleys interview we cancelled them out.. The proof is there for everyone to see. The opposition who at the time the Leagues highest scorers were not able to get through. Yes Bentley had to pull off some good saves. But that is his job. At the other end we had chances.

Now if those 11 in that formation or another one that works well on this weeks training ground brings us a point or 3 vs Coventry then that will keep us still in touch with those above us.

If that is the case the members of the squad who don't want to keep in touch with the reality that PB has put together a team that is competing for a top 6 finish, then it's time for them to move on.

 

[bazzashrimper]

In the summer we turned down an offer from Northampton. Prosser said he just wanted to play first team football. Prosser knew he was L2 standard, we all did, so why not take the offer in the summer? Anyway, best of luck to him and his departure is probably for the best all round. Best of luck Luke and thanks for your hard fought efforts.

 

[Thundersley Blue]

Think Luke has been a little unlucky not to have had more chances this season. However, he is at best a very good League 2 defender. Adam Barrett quite possibly is playing his last season and we need better than Prosser to take us forward. I wish him well I am sure he will get fixed up quite quickly.

 

[manor15]

In the summer we turned down an offer from Northampton. Prosser said he just wanted to play first team football. Prosser knew he was L2 standard, we all did, so why not take the offer in the summer? Anyway, best of luck to him and his departure is probably for the best all round. Best of luck Luke and thanks for your hard fought efforts.

I'm pretty sure there was no money involved in that offer, particularly given their financial situation so Brown probably quite fairly said he wanted to turn it down, give Prosser a chance in L1 and if not then he's decent back up and could go in January or when his contract is up in the summer. From the club and Brown's point of view, we had enough other areas to strengthen in the summer without having to add a centre back for the sake of it. I'm sure they'd have let him go if he wanted to go, but then he probably wouldn't have agreed the extension.

 

[mfurok]

Would be a shame to see him go but was never going to be a starter at this level. Gave his all whenever called apon and would wish him the best of luck elsewhere, wonder if Northampton will still be interested. If Luke does leave, will we see Rea come back until the end of the season I wonder.

No please no.