Brown out...

[Sleaford Shrimper]

If we had scored just ONE more goal in ONE of our drawn games to turn it into a win, we would now be sitting in 3rd place, 2 points ahead of Wycombe and definitely in the driving seat. Success or failure can depend on such small margins. I just dread the possibility that we could get 87 points and still not get an automatic promotion place because Wycombe also get 87 points but with a superior goal difference. It is that scenario that would provide the biggest indictment of Mr Brown's more defence-based approach over the course of the season. On the other hand, playing Devil's advocate, a less defence-based approach could have led to some of the draws becoming defeats, resulting in us having fewer points than we have now. We just have to concentrate on winning the final two games and hope that Wycombe drop points before passing final judgement on Mr Brown's season.

 

[South Bank Hank]

If we had scored just ONE more goal in ONE of our drawn games to turn it into a win, we would now be sitting in 3rd place, 2 points ahead of Wycombe and definitely in the driving seat. Success or failure can depend on such small margins. I just dread the possibility that we could get 87 points and still not get an automatic promotion place because Wycombe also get 87 points but with a superior goal difference. It is that scenario that would provide the biggest indictment of Mr Brown's more defence-based approach over the course of the season.

Thing is, you're not considering... Ooh, hang on....

On the other hand, playing Devil's advocate, a less defence-based approach could have led to some of the draws becoming defeats, resulting in us having fewer points than we have now.

Exactly. Some of the logic being applied to Brown's approach has been staggering. We have the points we have as a result of our manager's philosophy and thinking, our players, leadership, tactics, formations, injuries, availability, luck, and countless other influences not to mention those other pesky teams trying to frustrate us (even try to beat us some of them!)

Our game management HAS at times been poor but to simply say we'd have more points if we'd been more adventurous is ridiculous. We could just as simply have less.

My gut feel is we'd have got 3 points less last night if we'd approached it any differently.

 

[flangejackrabbit]

Not if we dont get promoted. Weve had a great run of results of late, but where were those performances three months ago. If we dont go up there will be people looking at all those 0-0 draws, especially at home that could end up costing us the chance. PB tactically has done very well recently but with this squad of players we should be doing well. Im certain if things gop belly up then the brown out brigade wll be in full voice.

Our budget AFAIK is not in the top 5 in the division - to be pushing the autos is exceeding where we should be by the numbers and that is all that matters at the end of the day.

 

[Jam_Man]

Not if we dont get promoted. Weve had a great run of results of late, but where were those performances three months ago. If we dont go up there will be people looking at all those 0-0 draws, especially at home that could end up costing us the chance. PB tactically has done very well recently but with this squad of players we should be doing well. Im certain if things gop belly up then the brown out brigade wll be in full voice.

No team will play well the whole season, its the results as a whole that matter, you cant say oh we got 80 or so points but thats no good because we were poor in October. Tilson got us promoted to the Championship in a season we had a really poor period over Christmas (never got 80 points in League Two and won the league with 82 the next season), Sturrock got us 83 points yet we had a poor period after Christmas. Teams do have changes in form, if they didnt we would get 110 points.

So if we do finish with 87 points, more than any manager has achieved since 3 points were introduced and lose out on goal difference that would prove the "brown out brigade" right ?

If you had a poll at the beginning of the season saying would 81+ points be acceptable Im pretty sure the majority would have said yes.

Brown can only achieve the points we get, it would be very harsh to sack a manager just because other teams managed to get more.

As when Sturrock failed in the play offs I fail to see how you totally ignore the overall achievement and performance because you dont go up and getting over 80 points is a good achievement, however our form may have been at times.

 

[leeblue]

Why, did you see him in Sainsburys during our last home game?



We seem to change shape every 6 weeks or so.

There's little in the way of continuity.

Are you seriously suggesting that we have over 20 clean sheets yet lack continuity ........blinkered to say the least

 

[Jam_Man]

We have a decent budget but we're no Man City. We have no right to expect anything above where we are at the moment. Phil Brown has got us in contention for promotion which is all that can be expected of him. It will now come down to tight margins and it would be mental to say that someone has succeeded and failed on such a margin. Just as it was when people moaned about Sturrock not getting us promoted when he dot 83pts in a season.

Had Sturrock got his last team in the position that Brown's team are in then he wouldn't have been sacked either. He got sacked because RM believed that we weren't going to make the play offs.

It is mental - mental - that anyone would suggest that we change manager if we don't go up from here.

Rubbish. We are 4th, just like them :smile:

Spot on though.

 

[Rattus Norvegicus]

Just come across this thread ........... hoping it gets a few good posts come Saturday evening ........... :whistling:

 

[Bkdside]

:)........

 

[PrawNZ]

You whingers might get your wish! http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/32863185

By the way, sky cut out not long after the trophy lifting, please tell me Phil got on the mic again?!

 

[Supa Shrimpa]

Like him, or not. I thought PB got the tactics spot on yesterday. Started 4-5-1. Kept it tight to start with. Made sure we didn't concede early. Then, in the second half, brought the Pig on and went 4-4-2 to try and win us the game, followed by Weston for his pace down the wing. Because we were going for the win, when they scored we had an attacking line-up and with the introduction of little Jack it seemed to give us the impetus. We just about had enough time to grab the equaliser. Well done Phil. Top work

 

[spoons]

I have been a critic of Brown and still am but to his credit he got the best out of a team and scrambled us over the line but the lack of a proven goal scoring attack was apparent all season and yesterday.
Brown has admitted he is not good at coaching the forwards but he is superb in setting us up defensively .
Yesterday he looked a class act throughout and hopefully he will take us up again.
He owes so much though to the brilliant young Bentley who is bound for a great career. There was a great moment towards the end when Brown gestured to Bentley to keep his spirit up and maybe that is how good Brown is. He certainly knows how to get the best of players.

 

[David Icke]

If Brown can get a decent attack coach to work along side him next year (if he's here) then we should be aiming for playoffs at the very least.

 

[Supa Shrimpa]

Did he ever sign that contract extension, in the end ?

 

[RHB]

So Brown wants to manage in the Prem again. He also said a short while ago that he wanted to stay with us for long time. If Ron gives him the contact he wants, if Fossetts gets built soonish and we do ok in Div 1, then could he achieve his ambition with us?? I can dream I suppose.

 

[DTS]

I know for a fact he did not sign a deal and I know from the horses mouth all be it he didn't say it to me that he expects go sign a three year deal at any point soon.

 

[Bearded Shrimper]

If Brown can get a decent attack coach to work along side him next year (if he's here) then we should be aiming for playoffs at the very least.

i think that's a bit strong. to say before a ball is kicked that, the season after promotion, that we should be targeting the play offs is too much. our first aim is avoid relegation and a mid table finish would be pretty decent to be honest. anything above that is a bonus. not an unrealistic or impossible bonus but a bonus. we should not consider 7th place to be a failure next season

/rant

 

[Leoblue]

I've said it ever since the day he walked into the club, PB is no mug and he seems to build a squad of good players who play for each other, the club and fans... We'll be fine next season and I fully expect RM to support that. I honestly think we'll be flirting towards the play offs next season.

 

[Bobby dazzler]

What has Brown done for us NOTHING !

Whilst I am at it What have the Romans done for us. Oops:blush:

 

[Leoblue]

what has brown done for us nothing !

Whilst i am at it what have the romans done for us. Oops:blush:

what lol:'(

 

[Bobby dazzler]

No team will play well the whole season, its the results as a whole that matter, you cant say oh we got 80 or so points but thats no good because we were poor in October. Tilson got us promoted to the Championship in a season we had a really poor period over Christmas (never got 80 points in League Two and won the league with 82 the next season), Sturrock got us 83 points yet we had a poor period after Christmas. Teams do have changes in form, if they didnt we would get 110 points.

I hate it when someone makes a sensible well thought out response. Just takes the fun out of goading the Brown out brigade :winking:


So if we do finish with 87 points, more than any manager has achieved since 3 points were introduced and lose out on goal difference that would prove the "brown out brigade" right ?

If you had a poll at the beginning of the season saying would 81+ points be acceptable Im pretty sure the majority would have said yes.

Brown can only achieve the points we get, it would be very harsh to sack a manager just because other teams managed to get more.

As when Sturrock failed in the play offs I fail to see how you totally ignore the overall achievement and performance because you dont go up and getting over 80 points is a good achievement, however our form may have been at times.

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