Brown out...

[CyrilSneer]

The Aqueduct ?

 

[Bkdside]

In Brown we trust.

 

[BobtheShrimper]

Took him long enough to find a winning formula that most fans could see well before him. Turned the season around going 442. I know he then won games in the future with 451 but that change before our winning streak was key

 

[RobM]

The Aqueduct ?

Well, yeah, but apart from that....

 

[RHB]

Well, yeah, but apart from that....

Naah, water over the bridge now

 

[Bobby dazzler]

What has Brown done for us NOTHING !

Whilst I am at it What have the Romans done for us. Oops:blush:

I wonder what age people need to be to get the gist of what I meant ?

 

[rigsby]

Took him long enough to find a winning formula that most fans could see well before him. Turned the season around going 442. I know he then won games in the future with 451 but that change before our winning streak was key

If you have just joined to slate PB I would suggest your a bit late. Most of the people who made that mistake have either disappeared or posted a begrudging half praise post like your good self.

 

[Jam_Man]

Took him long enough to find a winning formula that most fans could see well before him. Turned the season around going 442. I know he then won games in the future with 451 but that change before our winning streak was key

We were 5th before 442 and 5th after it.

442 did see an upturn in form due to that fantastic run, but prior to that run our form dipped massively and we went a run of only 3 wins in 10 games playing 442 as well.

He achieved what he did over 49 games playing about 5 formations, to say the season was decided on only 50% of them is daft.

 

[South Bank Hank]

Took him long enough to find a winning formula that most fans could see well before him. Turned the season around going 442. I know he then won games in the future with 451 but that change before our winning streak was key

This old chestnut again? For me, more likely due to the 12 games at Roots Hall without conceding a goal than the mythical "442 magic formation" that the alleged but not actually true "most fans" were calling for. If we'd pushed harder and changed formation, no one can say we wouldn't have taken less points than we did. Defending as a team might not have been fun at times, I get that. But it was darn effective.

 

[Jam_Man]

This old chestnut again? For me, more likely due to the 12 games at Roots Hall without conceding a goal than the mythical "442 magic formation" that the alleged but not actually true "most fans" we're calling for. If we'd pushed harder and changed formation, no one can say we wouldn't have taken less points than we did. Defending as a team might not have been fun at times, I get that. But it was darn effective.

The funny thing is was Brown was criticised for his boring defensive tactics when playing 451 yet when we went on that 8 game unbeaten run playing 442 we conceded even less goals and scored no more than 1 goal in 6 of the 8 games (and in 3 of those goals at least came when we had made changes and not playing 442, so 442 created all of 5 goals in 8 games).

So how comes 442 wasnt deemed to be boring defensive tactics ? :smile:

 

[South Bank Hank]

So how comes 442 wasnt deemed to be boring defensive tactics ? :smile:

Because 442 is both magical and mystical. Keep up Jam!

As footballing insight goes, it's right up there with "run around", "beef hurst", "one of you!", "second ball", "challenge him", "fresh legs" and "get it in the mixer".

 

[Firestorm]

Well, yeah, but apart from that....

Roads. ....

 

[Kevin Hogg]

PB got us promoted - end of.

 

[onceknownasrab]

Well I was one of those that asked for PB to go and I still feel the same way. It might sound churlish to some but for me we blew it on numerous occasions during the season. We also blew it on the final day, away to Morecambe, and we stuttered over the line in the last seconds of extra-time at wembley, having played poorly for much of the final.

To me it would have been more difficult to stop this side going up but PB very nearly managed it.

I firmly believe many other managers would have got us up well before the seasons end. For me it is about the attacking. The formation has changed many times and none seem to be outright winners in terms of results but at least PB did try options. That is where the plaudits stop.

Even the most ardent PB supporters will have seen how inept we were made to look in front of goal. What you think that will change just because we have gone up a league? A lot of midfield endeavour seemed to be followed by a lack of killer last balls and efforts on goal that too rarely caused the opposition keeper much trouble.

Some have called for a striker coach and maybe that will make the difference needed to PB's management. Who knows? One thing I believe is that without a major change in our 'forward' thinking then we will remain goal shy. Factors conspired, much against the odds, to negate our lack of scoring prowess this season but I doubt that will happen too often.

Of course I am glad we went up. Glad and grateful. But as things stand I do not feel we have the helmsmanship to navigate the white waters of league 1 or at least get the very best out of the eleven we field.

 

[tommy tucker]

Phil brown in .I don't care what you say about the man and the way he sets his teams up . Just rember he said he would either get us up in three seasons or he would go . Well 2 and a half seasons has past And he was as good as his word and we are promoted . So give the guy a break and back him next season .

 

[TTS]

It's funny , Tilson nearly blew it in 2004/05 season if remember our results during April back then. We was also equally poor in the play off games vs Northampton. Tilson also had the outstanding ability of Fredy spearheading our strike force. We needed extra time vs Lincoln. So, how comes Tilly wasn't slated by some at the time. Brown did no worse than Tilly, so he should also be held in the same esteem as Tilly in my opinion. Yes Tilly then went on to win the Title in League 1 and as I've said elsewhere I see a lot of similarities , this team has the same team spirt and togetherness as that team did! Well done Brown. Let's go again !!

 

[chapperzUK]

To me it would have been more difficult to stop this side going up but PB very nearly managed it.

I firmly believe many other managers would have got us up well before the seasons end. For me it is about the attacking.

Are you seriously suggesting that Brown simply got lucky winning promotion with 84 points?

For those who know how to win titles and have won them, they say it is a lot about defending. Sir Alex Ferguson: "Attack wins you games, defence wins you titles."

Did you also call for Tilson to be sacked back in 2004/05? Blew it back then and scrapped through the play-offs too.

 

[RHB]

This thread has been running since September last year and during that time a small but vocal minority of posters have expressed the view that they don't like the way PB manages and his style would not get us promoted. The vast majority of posters have defended PB and eventually he has given us what we wanted done when the season began.........he has produced a team that got us promoted and given most of us fabulous memories from that Saturday at Wembley. In all the erstwhile footballing records the entry will show that PB achieved promotion to Division 1 of the FL as play-off winners. None of the records will say he was lucky, nor will they say that he chose the wrong formations etc. Results are how he will be measured for the future.

I'm banging on a bit here, but the point that I'm trying to make is that a small vocal minority are not necessarily right just because they keep saying what they say, equally, they are entitled to their opinions. The vast majority are grateful that we have been promoted and recognise that PB has been instrumental in achieving that.

In conclusion, I say Brown in (for the moment).

 

[rigsby]

Well I was one of those that asked for PB to go and I still feel the same way. It might sound churlish to some but for me we blew it on numerous occasions during the season. We also blew it on the final day, away to Morecambe, and we stuttered over the line in the last seconds of extra-time at wembley, having played poorly for much of the final.

To me it would have been more difficult to stop this side going up but PB very nearly managed it.

I firmly believe many other managers would have got us up well before the seasons end. For me it is about the attacking. The formation has changed many times and none seem to be outright winners in terms of results but at least PB did try options. That is where the plaudits stop.

Even the most ardent PB supporters will have seen how inept we were made to look in front of goal. What you think that will change just because we have gone up a league? A lot of midfield endeavour seemed to be followed by a lack of killer last balls and efforts on goal that too rarely caused the opposition keeper much trouble.

Some have called for a striker coach and maybe that will make the difference needed to PB's management. Who knows? One thing I believe is that without a major change in our 'forward' thinking then we will remain goal shy. Factors conspired, much against the odds, to negate our lack of scoring prowess this season but I doubt that will happen too often.

Of course I am glad we went up. Glad and grateful. But as things stand I do not feel we have the helmsmanship to navigate the white waters of league 1 or at least get the very best out of the eleven we field.

Many Brown haters have stated something similar at some stage. If he has managed to assemble a squad that should have 'strolled to promotion' with a total spend of £25,000 then that would make him the best manager we have ever had in terms of signing players. What would you suggest .....move him upstairs as and let another coach guide us to another promotion with his excellent squad all picked up for nothing.

 

[southendkid]

Well I was one of those that asked for PB to go and I still feel the same way. It might sound churlish to some but for me we blew it on numerous occasions during the season. We also blew it on the final day, away to Morecambe, and we stuttered over the line in the last seconds of extra-time at wembley, having played poorly for much of the final.

To me it would have been more difficult to stop this side going up but PB very nearly managed it.

I firmly believe many other managers would have got us up well before the seasons end. For me it is about the attacking. The formation has changed many times and none seem to be outright winners in terms of results but at least PB did try options. That is where the plaudits stop.

Even the most ardent PB supporters will have seen how inept we were made to look in front of goal. What you think that will change just because we have gone up a league? A lot of midfield endeavour seemed to be followed by a lack of killer last balls and efforts on goal that too rarely caused the opposition keeper much trouble.

Some have called for a striker coach and maybe that will make the difference needed to PB's management. Who knows? One thing I believe is that without a major change in our 'forward' thinking then we will remain goal shy. Factors conspired, much against the odds, to negate our lack of scoring prowess this season but I doubt that will happen too often.

Of course I am glad we went up. Glad and grateful. But as things stand I do not feel we have the helmsmanship to navigate the white waters of league 1 or at least get the very best out of the eleven we field.

Yeah we look inept with our finishing, we create chances just fine. Unless Brown is telling his players to scuff their shots I don't see what a change in coach would achieve, we just need a striker coach to sort them out. I'm also not sure why you are so confident we would have gone up whoever was in charge, unlike the premier league we don't get extended highlights of the other teams in the league, how do you know we have one of the best squads in the league?