Brexit negotiations thread

[rigsby]

Chip off the old block :smile:

65 years on I hope he has a better grasp than his Grandfather. If I spend £100b more per year buying your goods than you spend buying mine......I hold all the cards. The German car manufactures know this, the people who arrived to trade goods 10,000 years ago knew this but some people who have never run a so much a cake stool at the school fete seem to shout the loudest.

By the way Tangled when the Romans built Hadrian's wall they complained that the locals could charge to much for labour or use of carts etc.........If we have to rebuild the wall and remained in the EU, then at least this time it could be done with cheap foreign slave labour on 12 hour shifts and all the profits will be banked and taxed overseas.......No one will have to deal with any ghastly British workers trying to keep a roof over their heads and none of the public money will flow into the British economy.

By voting out we will give the ordinary person a chance......A chance some of you seem to totally begrudge due to your political rather than economic stance.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

65 years on I hope he has a better grasp than his Grandfather. If I spend £100b more per year buying your goods than you spend buying mine......I hold all the cards. The German car manufactures know this, the people who arrived to trade goods 10,000 years ago knew this but some people who have never run a so much a cake stool at the school fete seem to shout the loudest.

By the way Tangled when the Romans built Hadrian's wall they complained that the locals could charge to much for labour or use of carts etc.........If we have to rebuild the wall and remained in the EU, then at least this time it could be done with cheap foreign slave labour on 12 hour shifts and all the profits will be banked and taxed overseas.......No one will have to deal with any ghastly British workers trying to keep a roof over their heads and none of the public money will flow into the British economy.

By voting out we will give the ordinary person a chance......A chance some of you seem to totally begrudge due to your political rather than economic stance.

It's quite true I've never run a cake stall (nor would I want to) but I was self-employed for around 20 years.To be successful at that takes some doing these days, (especially in a foreign country).

I happen to think that "the ordinary person" you talk about, will be precisely the one most affected negatively by Brexit.As they say in Spanish:"Ya veremos" (We'll see).

Ironically,it was ,of course,precisely "the ordinary person" who voted for Brexit in so many parts of the country.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

I was going to say how surprised I was that an old school socialist like yourself could be so easily duped by the people who really run the show......The financial elite.......Then again.

I am starting to find this whole thing, rather like the present state of the world, totally depressing IIRC, one of the reasons Cameron called a referendum was to heal the split in the Tory party, now, nearly two years down the line, the Tory party is as divided as ever ...........the Labour Party is split (on the detail of leaving)................and worst of all, the country is seemingly irreconcilably divided on the issue. Can't remember the exact detail but when Radio 4 used the <one year from Brexit> last week, to do a report from the North-East of the country, there was a Brexit supporter who remained faithful to his vote, even when it was likely to mean a reduction in his standard of living and could probably result in him losing his job. How on earth do you reconcile these entrenched opinions? On the point above Rigsby, do you honestly believe that by leaving the EU you will somehow avoid the 'financial elite?' Surely you must understand that there is 'an alternative elite' that has been ochestrating the Brexit move, with very much their own agenda. The ordinary Brexit voter are sadly only pawns in their high stakes game. If you believe that the ordinary working people are eventually going to benefit, I'm very much afraid you are sadly deluded. This is another tragic consequence of Brexit. Those who feel they have lost, or are losing eveything, desperately believe that things can't be worse than they are.................I'm very much afraid they can.

 

[rigsby]

I am starting to find this whole thing, rather like the present state of the world, totally depressing IIRC, one of the reasons Cameron called a referendum was to heal the split in the Tory party, now, nearly two years down the line, the Tory party is as divided as ever ...........the Labour Party is split (on the detail of leaving)................and worst of all, the country is seemingly irreconcilably divided on the issue. Can't remember the exact detail but when Radio 4 used the <one year from Brexit> last week, to do a report from the North-East of the country, there was a Brexit supporter who remained faithful to his vote, even when it was likely to mean a reduction in his standard of living and could probably result in him losing his job. How on earth do you reconcile these entrenched opinions? On the point above Rigsby, do you honestly believe that by leaving the EU you will somehow avoid the 'financial elite?' Surely you must understand that there is 'an alternative elite' that has been ochestrating the Brexit move, with very much their own agenda. The ordinary Brexit voter are sadly only pawns in their high stakes game. If you believe that the ordinary working people are eventually going to benefit, I'm very much afraid you are sadly deluded. This is another tragic consequence of Brexit. Those who feel they have lost, or are losing eveything, desperately believe that things can't be worse than they are.................I'm very much afraid they can.

Your usual post of more project fear, bed wetting and insults to anyone who voted out. Meanwhile us true Brits continue to see how absolutely right we were to vote for Brexit.

Maybe if you lived in Britain rather than sneer from another country you might actually understand. Your a great example of why expats should ever be allowed to vote.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Your usual post of more project fear, bed wetting and insults to anyone who voted out. Meanwhile us true Brits continue to see how absolutely right we were to vote for Brexit.

Maybe if you lived in Britain rather than sneer from another country you might actually understand. Your a great example of why expats should ever be allowed to vote.

I think (apart from the usual tirade of insults) you've rather (conveniently) missed the point. It's past the time of making pro or anti-Brexit remarks. What I'm depicting is not project fear but cold, frightening reality. The UK is now a country bitterly and unreconcilably divided. You provide no answer to the question of who is really behind the Brexit movement. You and many others , I no doubt , have deeply held political beliefs concerning Brexit but the shadowy manipulating figures in the background, as I have said, have their own agenda and that almost certainly is about money..............it's always about money, isn't it?

 

[rigsby]

I think (apart from the usual tirade of insults) you've rather (conveniently) missed the point. It's past the time of making pro or anti-Brexit remarks. What I'm depicting is not project fear but cold, frightening reality. The UK is now a country bitterly and unreconcilably divided. You provide no answer to the question of who is really behind the Brexit movement. You and many others , I no doubt , have deeply held political beliefs concerning Brexit but the shadowy manipulating figures in the background, as I have said, have their own agenda and that almost certainly is about money..............it's always about money, isn't it?

Love that line by the way.

Your another on who loves to give it out but can't take it. We voted out because of corruption on a massive scale in Brussels. We will now have more control over who spends our money and what they spend it on.

The fact that you don't think we can do anything about it and should just close our eyes and ignore it, is a sad reflection on you.

The fact that most left wing Labour supporters don't want Tories spending the money rather than the EU is only because they don't believe that they can genuinely win an election. Again if you all grew a pair between you think how better Britain would be.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Love that line by the way.

Your another on who loves to give it out but can't take it. We voted out because of corruption on a massive scale in Brussels. We will now have more control over who spends our money and what they spend it on.

The fact that you don't think we can do anything about it and should just close our eyes and ignore it, is a sad reflection on you.

The fact that most left wing Labour supporters don't want Tories spending the money rather than the EU is only because they don't believe that they can genuinely win an election. Again if you all grew a pair between you think how better Britain would be.

Someone give the needle a nudge, records stuck again.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Love that line by the way.

Your another on who loves to give it out but can't take it. We voted out because of corruption on a massive scale in Brussels. We will now have more control over who spends our money and what they spend it on.

The fact that you don't think we can do anything about it and should just close our eyes and ignore it, is a sad reflection on you.

The fact that most left wing Labour supporters don't want Tories spending the money rather than the EU is only because they don't believe that they can genuinely win an election. Again if you all grew a pair between you think how better Britain would be.

Tired of giving it out, tired of taking it and tired of being misunderstood by you but you're evidently too blinkered to see. Is it really worth wasting my time replying??? So you don't believe the country is bitterly and unreconcilably divided???? You believe by leaving the EU you will miraculously escape the clutches of a financial elite?...........don't worry, there's another one, maybe even worse and more rapacious, waiting in the wings. Sadly (and I mean that), your world doesn't exist anymore but I wish you 'bon courage' in trying to find it again. Lastly, I hope you are not trying to bunch me in with 'left-wing Labour supporters' yet again you're so wide of the mark.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...g-to-agree-brexit-backstop-solution-on-border

Did anyone really think it wouldn't all come down to this? :unsure:

 

[mattitouk]

Yet another guardian quote from TUIB!!

Even as a non tory voter, your putting in a decent shift to make me not vote for labour ever!...i'm considering National front at this rate!! LOL

 

[rigsby]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...g-to-agree-brexit-backstop-solution-on-border

Did anyone really think it wouldn't all come down to this? :unsure:

You do know that the Guardian is paid and funded by HSBC. I find it strange that a man of your political background could be so fooled by private global company news.

Then again if you look into the US military studies on controlling the masses. They have found the easiest to fool are the left wing liberal degree educated people.

Guardian journalist Jonathan Freedland on question time last week was a perfect example of someone following the company agenda. Even managed to slip in, criticism of banks is anti-Semitism. Well done Jonathan two birds with one stone and a chance to silence any Labour mutterings about the corrupt banking system.

Anyway if we have any trouble with the Irish border we could adopt the Hungarian approach, they have been very successful. I hear there are plenty of men of military age and with military style training looking for something to do in that part of the world.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

You do know that the Guardian is paid and funded by HSBC. I find it strange that a man of your political background could be so fooled by private global company news.

Then again if you look into the US military studies on controlling the masses. They have found the easiest to fool are the left wing liberal degree educated people.

Guardian journalist Jonathan Freedland on question time last week was a perfect example of someone following the company agenda. Even managed to slip in, criticism of banks is anti-Semitism. Well done Jonathan two birds with one stone and a chance to silence any Labour mutterings about the corrupt banking system.

Anyway if we have any trouble with the Irish border we could adopt the Hungarian approach, they have been very successful. I hear there are plenty of men of military age and with military style training looking for something to do in that part of the world.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ario-will-leave-britain-worse-off-study-finds

All 4 Brexit scenarios will leave the UK worse off.

Wonder who Global Future is funded by? :winking:

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ario-will-leave-britain-worse-off-study-finds

All 4 Brexit scenarios will leave the UK worse off.

Wonder who EU Future is funded by? :winking:

I have not read anything which suggests any sort of plan for the EU to close the gap left by the loss of the UK monies, and Germany's economy is slowing, France is in dispute, euro is falling against £.
I do agree that for maybe 5-10 years the UK will be worse off; as will the EU.
Who is to blame?
The likes of Bernier and Junker who refused to reach a reasonable compromise and deal acceptable to the UK electorate.
They won't suffer as they have their EU gravy train massive pensions.

 

[MK Shrimper]

They won't suffer as they have their EU gravy train massive pensions.

Nor will Gove, Bojo & Farage. Can't say the same for the rest of us.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

You do know that the Guardian is paid and funded by HSBC. I find it strange that a man of your political background could be so fooled by private global company news.

Then again if you look into the US military studies on controlling the masses. They have found the easiest to fool are the left wing liberal degree educated people.

Guardian journalist Jonathan Freedland on question time last week was a perfect example of someone following the company agenda. Even managed to slip in, criticism of banks is anti-Semitism. Well done Jonathan two birds with one stone and a chance to silence any Labour mutterings about the corrupt banking system.

Anyway if we have any trouble with the Irish border we could adopt the Hungarian approach, they have been very successful. I hear there are plenty of men of military age and with military style training looking for something to do in that part of the world.

amazing bantz

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I have not read anything which suggests any sort of plan for the EU to close the gap left by the loss of the UK monies, and Germany's economy is slowing, France is in dispute, euro is falling against £.
I do agree that for maybe 5-10 years the UK will be worse off; as will the EU.
Who is to blame?
The likes of Bernier and Junker who refused to reach a reasonable compromise and deal acceptable to the UK electorate.
They won't suffer as they have their EU gravy train massive pensions.

The UK will be making contributions to the EU budget for some time to come (even if they crash out on WTO terms).

The recent appreciation of the pound against the dollar and (to a lesser extent) the euro is quite possibly of a temporary nature.Especially if interest rates in the UK go up later this year.

I'm not aware that the UK economy is currently performing better than the economies of Germany and France.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Two stories running this morning. The NAO claiming that the Brexit divorce bill could be higher than forecast, yet some would have doubts behind the impetus for this research, as it was requested by Nicky Morgan..............not exactly unbiased! :smile: Certainly, as I see it, far the more important revelation is in the Telegraph (not exactly pro-remain). It leads its front page with "Ireland Brexit proposals in tatters," stating that the UK's proposed solutions for the Irish border have been blown out of the water by the EU. With the Lords vote and the impending one in the commons, what odds us staying in the (or a) customs union? More to the point, what use would Brexit then be???

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Two stories running this morning. The NAO claiming that the Brexit divorce bill could be higher than forecast, yet some would have doubts behind the impetus for this research, as it was requested by Nicky Morgan..............not exactly unbiased! :smile: Certainly, as I see it, far the more important revelation is in the Telegraph (not exactly pro-remain). It leads its front page with "Ireland Brexit proposals in tatters," stating that the UK's proposed solutions for the Irish border have been blown out of the water by the EU. With the Lords vote and the impending one in the commons, what odds us staying in the (or a) customs union? More to the point, what use would Brexit then be???

On which subject this is clearly where this link belongs http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-43829282

(rather than on the Trump thread).

 

[SARF]

Just don&#8217;t bother with a border in potato land .. let the EU put one up. The smuggling potential is enormous ..
The ports of Liverpool and Belfast will be awash with cheap fags and booze. Both cities will be richer than London by 2025!

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-43960448

Is this a sign of things to come?