Brexit negotiations thread

[MK Shrimper]

Yeah she lost another vote. What a farse and she wasnt even there to hear it.

Nope, bigger than that. One rumour is that the the Labour party is going to split.

 

[Cricko]

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Nope, bigger than that. One rumour is that the the Labour party is going to split.

Thought they were going to wait until the end of February, to see if Corbyn would change the party's position on a 'peoples vote?'?

 

[Bielzibubz]

And while we all fight amongst ourselves the Eurozone continues to implode.

When you dig deep, analyse the facts and knowing what we know to have happened in the past there really is only ever going to be one outcome to the crisis the EU finds itself in. A crisis of its own making I might add.

Italy, then Spain or Portugal and then one of the big boys.........

Italian Woes

There's an update to this video but you can find it yourselves if you wish

And yes I know it's riddled with inaccuracies but my point is all Italy's financial problems are caused by it being hamstrung to the Euro.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Just had a look at the nationals' sites. There does appear to be a bit of panic in the air concerning the Labour Party? The Labourites on here have always been steadfast in their belief that they will win the next election...........maybe they need to be specific about which Labour Party they are refering to!

 

[Cricko]

The EU , never accountable, never audited correctly untill one lady found the corrupt way they worked and she was sacked.

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

Just had a look at the nationals' sites. There does appear to be a bit of panic in the air concerning the Labour Party? The Labourites on here have always been steadfast in their belief that they will win the next election...........maybe they need to be specific about which Labour Party they are refering to!

Because of the Tory and May Brexit fiasco, I think the floating vote are dying to smack them and show their disgust. The Labour party should win by a landslide. But the wrong person is in charge of Labour, and is causing a split in the party, so there's not much in it.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Because of the Tory and May Brexit fiasco, I think the floating vote are dying to smack them and show their disgust. The Labour party should win by a landslide. But the wrong person is in charge of Labour, and is causing a split in the party, so there's not much in it.

NO! According to Labour supporters on here, you are talking rubbish. Corbyn is the man of the moment and you'd be foolish to believe opinion polls............just look what happened in 2017. Corbyn was miles behind but ended up 'victorious' by not losing by much. I fear that you may have to prepare for another five years of 'strong and stable' Tory rule.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

NO! According to Labour supporters on here, you are talking rubbish. Corbyn is the man of the moment and you'd be foolish to believe opinion polls............just look what happened in 2017. Corbyn was miles behind but ended up 'victorious' by not losing by much. I fear that you may have to prepare for another five years of 'strong and stable' Tory rule.

God help us! (sorry, hit reply instead of edit!)

 

[MK Shrimper]

Thought they were going to wait until the end of February, to see if Corbyn would change the party's position on a 'peoples vote?'?

Well never happened. Carry on, I'm out again.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Nope, bigger than that. One rumour is that the the Labour party is going to split.

Yes, I've seen the twitter rumours on 'evolve politics. There seems positive joy at the prospect of this happening by some of the hard left..........

[B]Paul Farnhill[/B]‏ @[B]RevPaulCA[/B] 1 hil y a 1 heure



Labour is red, Centrists are blue, If you support Chuka then you should go too. #SplitersCoup #JC4PM

So, we have a Conservative government obsessed with keeping unity at the cost of the country and a Labour Party obsessed with political purity rather than building a broad base which could provide a credible alternative to the present dire crowd. Bielzebubz got the right idea. Divert attention to the problems of other European countries rather than concentrating on the dire bloody mess the UK finds itself in..

 

[Bielzibubz]

Yes, I've seen the twitter rumours on 'evolve politics. There seems positive joy at the prospect of this happening by some of the hard left..........

[B]Paul Farnhill[/B]‏ @[B]RevPaulCA[/B] 1 hil y a 1 heure



Labour is red, Centrists are blue, If you support Chuka then you should go too. #SplitersCoup #JC4PM

So, we have a Conservative government obsessed with keeping unity at the cost of the country and a Labour Party obsessed with political purity rather than building a broad base which could provide a credible alternative to the present dire crowd. Bielzebubz got the right idea. Divert attention to the problems of other European countries rather than concentrating on the dire bloody mess the UK finds itself in..

Oh come on be fair YBUTC. I've been doing that not to deflect from what's going on at home (impossible anyway) but to highlight the absolute ****storm that's on the Eurozone horizon.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47245992

HMG is defeated yet again in the Commons.In byegone times the Tories would have resigned by now.

 

[Bielzibubz]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47245992

HMG is defeated yet again in the Commons.In byegone times the Tories would have resigned by now.

Tories don't and can't resign. Their leader can, the party can't.

And in bygone times of a centralist Labour opposition they would probably be in power already.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Oh come on be fair YBUTC. I've been doing that not to deflect from what's going on at home (impossible anyway) but to highlight the absolute ****storm that's on the Eurozone horizon.

The worry is not so much the way Italy or Greece are going at the moment. It's Europe and indeed the whole world that is concerning me. Very worrying times, where it seems many governments are being forced into an unpleasant choice between economic correctness or mounting civil unrest.
The fact you don't mention is that the UK certainly won't be immune from the consequences of any financial turmoil in Europe. It's almost as if you believe the UK is in a bubble and everything will be fine and dandy, just so long as we can get get away from the 'evil European Empire.' Brexit will only help to exacerbate Europe's problems as you know. Will it be long before the UE's bewilderment and incomprehension about Brexit turns to annoyance and stubborn non co-operation?

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Yeah she lost another vote. What a farse and she wasnt even there to hear it.

head in the sand

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Nope, bigger than that. One rumour is that the the Labour party is going to split.

The big news (I also read the 'wait till 8pm for something major') was actually a split in the Conservatives! But it was a Tory MP whose name I can't even remember saying Rees-Mogg etc should leave the Tories and join Farage's new party.
Big build up and no news really.

 

[Bielzibubz]

The worry is not so much the way Italy or Greece are going at the moment. It's Europe and indeed the whole world that is concerning me. Very worrying times, where it seems many governments are being forced into an unpleasant choice between economic correctness or mounting civil unrest.
The fact you don't mention is that the UK certainly won't be immune from the consequences of any financial turmoil in Europe. It's almost as if you believe the UK is in a bubble and everything will be fine and dandy, just so long as we can get get away from the 'evil European Empire.' Brexit will only help to exacerbate Europe's problems as you know. Will it be long before the UE's bewilderment and incomprehension about Brexit turns to annoyance and stubborn non co-operation?

I don't believe the UK will be immune, of course we wont but you seem to be forgetting that the Eurozone's financial crisis, a crisis that has seen many a country requiring illegal bailouts, Italy entering recession and the mighty German economy only just avoiding one has been largely down to the Euro and those countries being locked into a financial experiment that's gone horribly wrong. And I like your term 'Evil European Empire' because that's exactly what it is.

The real irony is that those on the left that. You know, the one's championing the weak and decrying the uncaring establishment here at home, should all be for supporting the weakest against the dictatorial strong of Europe but ironically are the one's crowing about how good it's been over the years when all the evidence is to the contrary. Seriously, you couldn't make it up.

 

[blues exile]

I don't believe the UK will be immune, of course we wont but you seem to be forgetting that the Eurozone's financial crisis, a crisis that has seen many a country requiring illegal bailouts, Italy entering recession and the mighty German economy only just avoiding one has been largely down to the Euro and those countries being locked into a financial experiment that's gone horribly wrong. And I like your term 'Evil European Empire' because that's exactly what it is.

The real irony is that those on the left that. You know, the one's championing the weak and decrying the uncaring establishment here at home, should all be for supporting the weakest against the dictatorial strong of Europe but ironically are the one's crowing about how good it's been over the years when all the evidence is to the contrary. Seriously, you couldn't make it up.

Very telling that Europhobes are ramping up the 'evil empire' narrative of what they fondly hope will be the end of the EU, as though wishing it will make it happen, while simultaneously playing down the much more likely scenario of a UK collapse post Brexit. Blind hatred is just that.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

The big news (I also read the 'wait till 8pm for something major') was actually a split in the Conservatives! But it was a Tory MP whose name I can't even remember saying Rees-Mogg etc should leave the Tories and join Farage's new party.
Big build up and no news really.

For anyone who is curious this was the big news (not my words, copy n paste):

'Looks like the Tory war is exploding.

In an incredible interview with House magazine, Tory minister Richard Harrington calls Tory eurosceptic MPs "traitors" and says they should quit.

Also criticizes May's Brexit strategy and says Malthouse Compromise is "fanciful nonsense".'