Brexit negotiations thread

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

And there was me thinking that according to BOJO you could do precisely that.Clearly you Brexiteers need to start singing from the same hymn sheet.

In any case, it would take a brave man (and certainly not me). to forecast correctly how this Brexit mess will turn out.Also worth pointing out that your own,highly idiosyncractic version of Brexit was not on the ballot paper in June 2016.

Singing from the same hymn sheet should be easy enough as we are constantly told that Leave voters knew what they were voting for.
Gove and Johnson voted against each other when it came to May's deal. How do we know what Leave voters were voting for when the leaders of their campaign want different things?

 

[rigsby]

Hallelujah.

If only our politicians could work on that basis.

Your spat with Spiffy is way to complicated for us ordinary folk to fully understand. The best way to decide should be a referendum...…...I mean a one off, cant go back, the decision will be binding and cant be changed type referendum.

After all we don't want you two arguing for the next 30 months, which can happen, I've seen it myself...….. No, the way forward is to have a clear and decisive referendum. After all this is Britain, we gave the modern world Democracy. Our forefathers have died to protect it, we have the upmost respect for it because its part of out DNA. The wonderful thing about us British is unlike some of those Southern Europeans we are magnanimous in victory and gracious in defeat. We are respected around the world for such values and I know the loser of such a vote would never stoop so low as to publicly shame himself by claiming we didn't know what we were voting for. That would be far to embarrassing to even contemplate.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

A vision of post-Brexit Britain?

https://news.sky.com/story/sir-mart...py-singapores-low-taxes-after-brexit-11614754

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

I thought you might all enjoy this

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

The things we receive on WhatsApp! ?

 

[blues exile]

I thought you might all enjoy this

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Who on earth would be amused by this, inane rubbish that demeans the poster and is self-revelatory to say the least.

 

[rigsby]

I see Dianne was centre of attention at last weeks Question time. There are some the usual crowd claiming it was racist. At least she admitted she didn't think remain would win a second vote.......

The best bit now is all remainers are saying their should be two choices on the paper remain or Mays deal. Which is of course an admittance to the fact that leave no deal would win.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

I see Dianne was centre of attention at last weeks Question time. There are some the usual crowd claiming it was racist. At least she admitted she didn't think remain would win a second vote.......

The best bit now is all remainers are saying their should be two choices on the paper remain or Mays deal. Which is of course an admittance to the fact that leave no deal would win.

You always generalise......................not ALL remainers. I believe no deal should be a choice.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Who on earth would be amused by this, inane rubbish that demeans the poster and is self-revelatory to say the least.

Agree! He shouldn't have left out the fourth image where Corbyn says, "OK, we'll leave it on the table then."

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Who on earth would be amused by this, inane rubbish that demeans the poster and is self-revelatory to say the least.

Oh lighten up. You have hardly been shy to criticise or besmirch people you don't agree with. It cuts both ways.

 

[rigsby]

You always generalise......................not ALL remainers. I believe no deal should be a choice.

Ok that's a fair cop guv. I meant the ones who end up on Question Time and other MSM etc.

There are of course many honourable people who voted remain and accept democracy. Some will even join the Yellow vests as they now realise there's far more at stake than just Brexit

I haven't watched the BBC for over 2 years now as I don't have a TV licence. I did watch last weeks (on youtube) just to see how Fiona Bruce was. I was very impressed. I like they way she wouldn't allow them to avoid the question with the usual rambling party soundbites.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Ok that's a fair cop guv. I meant the ones who end up on Question Time and other MSM etc.

There are of course many honourable people who voted remain and accept democracy. Some will even join the Yellow vests as they now realise there's far more at stake than just Brexit

I haven't watched the BBC for over 2 years now as I don't have a TV licence. I did watch last weeks (on youtube) just to see how Fiona Bruce was. I was very impressed. I like they way she wouldn't allow them to avoid the question with the usual rambling party soundbites.

She was better in the first week (which you didn't see).Like you I caught up with last week's show late.Fionna Bruce wrongly (along with the awful Isabel Oakshott) took DA to task over her claim that Labour was running neck and neck with the Tories in recent polls.It wasn't racist as Momentum claimed .Just plain wrong.The 6% lead that IO was banging on about was in just one poll.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-46961982

No-deal Brexit means a hard border in NI says EU commission.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-46961982

No-deal Brexit means a hard border in NI says EU commission.

Indeed TUIB, about time everyone caught up. A case of 'no **** sherlock'. It also exposes the insistence on the backstop in its current form as a total fraud. The EU can insist on an impossible deal to keep up the pretence that leaving is impossible - until they are forced to the table by the reality of no deal being genuinely imminent. Of course the mechanism for maintaining no hard border in Ireland could be negotiated, if the will was there to do so and provided the solution achieved that objective. The closer 'no deal' gets, the more non-Irish European leaders will start to think twice as the prospect of economic harm to their own countries' interests looks ever more likely - which is why remainers and the SNP are so keen on ruling out no deal to kill off negotiations and kill off Brexit.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Indeed TUIB, about time everyone caught up. A case of 'no **** sherlock'. It also exposes the insistence on the backstop in its current form as a total fraud. The EU can insist on an impossible deal to keep up the pretence that leaving is impossible - until they are forced to the table by the reality of no deal being genuinely imminent. Of course the mechanism for maintaining no hard border in Ireland could be negotiated, if the will was there to do so and provided the solution achieved that objective. The closer 'no deal' gets, the more non-Irish European leaders will start to think twice as the prospect of economic harm to their own countries' interests looks ever more likely - which is why remainers and the SNP are so keen on ruling out no deal to kill off negotiations and kill off Brexit.

You are ,I imagine,aware that a no-deal Brexit would be a catastrophe for the UK? Acording to the IMF it would deplete GDP by 8% in the first year alone.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

You are ,I imagine,aware that a no-deal Brexit would be a catastrophe for the UK? Acording to the IMF it would deplete GDP by 8% in the first year alone.

Yes absolutely and I personally don't want that or believe it will happen, as I've said many times. Why the prospect of it is important to achieving a reasonable outcome for the UK I've also explained.

 

[Gt Yarmouth Shrimper]

It’s anyones guess as to what action will be taken. Civil war seems unlikely. I’d imagine it’d be akin to the riots we saw up and down the country back in 2011, which were (and probably will be) exacerbated by people jumping on the bandwagon.

Very unlikely in my book.
We may raise a collective eyebrow, have a quivery top lip and seem slightly miffed but we won't go that far.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

She was better in the first week (which you didn't see).Like you I caught up with last week's show late.Fionna Bruce wrongly (along with the awful Isabel Oakshott) took DA to task over her claim that Labour was running neck and neck with the Tories in recent polls.It wasn't racist as Momentum claimed .Just plain wrong.The 6% lead that IO was banging on about was in just one poll.

apparently there was more to it than Bruce claiming Abbot was wrong when Oakeshott actually was. There was a pre recording warm up where some audience members have claimed that Bruce was essentially encouraging the studio audience to give Abbott a hard time. From what has been reported BBC's impartiality terms were thrown out of the window.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

apparently there was more to it than Bruce claiming Abbot was wrong when Oakeshott actually was. There was a pre recording warm up where some audience members have claimed that Bruce was essentially encouraging the studio audience to give Abbott a hard time. From what has been reported BBC's impartiality terms were thrown out of the window.

Yeah I've heard about the warm up (and as I've already pointed out) Fionna Bruce and Oakeshott were wrong whereas Diane Abbot was quite right about the majority of recent polls making Labour and the Tories neck and neck in the polls rather than the Tories ahead by 6%,which was mentioned in just one poll..Held off from signing a Momentum petition that there was racism involved until after I'd seen the program on Sunday.After having seen it I didn't sign the petition.From what I could see there was no racism involved.Granted the Derby audience were not receptive to DA's ideas but that was about it.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Yes absolutely and I personally don't want that or believe it will happen, as I've said many times. Why the prospect of it is important to achieving a reasonable outcome for the UK I've also explained.

It seems to me that what we've been observing for the last few months is a massive high stakes poker game in which HMG,the Tories,have already wasted billions of tax payers' hard earned on preparations for a no-deal Brexit, which they have no intention of putting into practice

Sooner or later someone will have to blink and make concessions.However I don't think the EU will.