Brexit negotiations thread

[Tangled up in Blue]

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...unning-eu-strategy-to-bore-us-into-submission

My answer to the question is (a possible) yes.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...nal-students-leave-uk-after-finishing-studies

Almost all international students leave the UK after finishing their studies(ie 97%).

Who would have thunk it?

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

This can't be FAKE news, it's SKYnews.............

http://news.sky.com/story/report-says-brexit-will-create-some-80000-jobs-in-frankfurt-11004308

 

[Benfleet A1]

This can't be FAKE news, it's SKYnews.............

http://news.sky.com/story/report-says-brexit-will-create-some-80000-jobs-in-frankfurt-11004308

I wouldn't panic quite so much Yogi. I have a feeling that A.S.S might just be right and there is going to be a massive climbdown. It's going to cost this government dearly and probably result in a GE which will put Corbyn in charge but I think that will be the lesser of two evils, just.

While I'm here, whats all the ho ha with Macron upsetting Eastern Europe over immigrint labour. A few cracks appearing within the EU over this perhaps?

 

[Lord Football]

This can't be FAKE news, it's SKYnews.............

http://news.sky.com/story/report-says-brexit-will-create-some-80000-jobs-in-frankfurt-11004308

And no surprise. You want to see the amount of resource investment the French and Dutch will be putting into their customs services to handle 3rd country trade from the UK.

And if I am honest, in the run up to the referendum it was mentioned that EU institutions based in the UK and business who need an EU base (banks, airlines) would have to consider moving jobs out of the UK.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41053684

Increase in EU citizens applying for UK nationality after Brexit- numbers up by 80%

Who would have thunk it?

At more than a thousand quid a pop it ain't exactly cheap.Don't expect my wife or our young adult daughters to be taking advantage of this (not so) generous offer any time soon.:smile:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

https://www.theguardian.com/global/...s-for-lengthy-transitional-period-post-brexit

At last some daylight between Labour and the Tories on Brexit! It's safe for Euophiles to vote for JC now.:smile:

 

[Swiss Tony]

Barners the last nine posts sent. six have been from your good self,give it up chap and come home.:dim:

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

https://www.theguardian.com/global/...s-for-lengthy-transitional-period-post-brexit

At last some daylight between Labour and the Tories on Brexit! It's safe for Europhiles to vote for JC now. :smile:

Do you REALLY think so Barna??? Wait for that to sink in when it gets toted around Labour heartlands in the north.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Think the difference between the Tories and Labour on Brexit is pretty well summed up by this! :smile:

https://www.facebook.com/veryBrexit...4568236685698/986142778194908/?type=3&theater

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

SHOCK,HORROR!!! Japan prioritises a trade deal with the EU rather than the UK. Realities will start to sink in. In football parlance, the UK is out there on the pitch looking to engage, trying not to listen to the crowd who, to a man, are shouting, WHO ARE YA? WHO ARE YA? WHO ARE YA???!!!!

https://www.ft.com/content/0047b3c2-8b1e-11e7-a352-e46f43c5825d

 

[MK Shrimper]

Hope this country and an already creaking NHS is ready for the vast influx of ex-pats whose UK pensions will be worth sod all in Europe in a few years. I'm thinking it won't be.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Barners the last nine posts sent. six have been from your good self,give it up chap and come home.:dim:

Be Back for the lackpool home game.Just for the weekend though.

Do you REALLY think so Barna??? Wait for that to sink in when it gets toted around Labour heartlands in the north.

Maybe but it'll be popular with the 48% who didn't vote leave.Incidentally 2/3 Labour votes were remainers.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Hope this country and an already creaking NHS is ready for the vast influx of ex-pats whose UK pensions will be worth sod all in Europe in a few years. I'm thinking it won't be.

Fortunately I won't be one of them as I receive a Spanish pension.:winking:

 

[Lord Football]

SHOCK,HORROR!!! Japan prioritises a trade deal with the EU rather than the UK. Realities will start to sink in. In football parlance, the UK is out there on the pitch looking to engage, trying not to listen to the crowd who, to a man, are shouting, WHO ARE YA? WHO ARE YA? WHO ARE YA???!!!!

https://www.ft.com/content/0047b3c2-8b1e-11e7-a352-e46f43c5825d

Can't read the link here, but AND THIS IS IMPORTANT, as part of the EU we are part of 52 existing trade deals. Deals with Japan and Vietnam are likely to be signed before we leave.

Whilst it is given that we wont be part of those 52 deals when we leave and will need to negotiate a lot of new deals just to get to a point of parity of where we are, questions do remain for the likes of Rees-Mogg who blabber one about having the freedom to negotiate trade with who we like.

Who exactly do we want a free deal with that we don't already have? And if we don't already have one, why not?

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

https://www.ft.com/content/0047b3c2-8b1e-11e7-a352-e46f43c5825d

Try this. The FT employ a paywall, although I was able to access this on line googling 'Trade talks with Japan stall' You could try that if it still doesnt work.

No, sorry it doesn't work..........try what I suggested above. In googling it comes up on my computer as the sixth article, scrolling down.

Alternatively!.............

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August 28, 2017 by: Robin Harding and Leo Lewis in Tokyo and George Parker in London Theresa May is set for disappointment on her visit to Tokyo this week after Japanese officials signalled they would not rush into free trade talks with Britain. The British prime minister, who is hungry for new trade agreements to show the benefits of Brexit, is expected to discuss a UK-Japan version of the deal Tokyo agreed in principle with the EU last month when she meets her Japanese counterpart Shinzo Abe. But Japanese officials say their priority is completing the deal with Brussels, while negotiations with Britain will be difficult until there is clarity about its future relationship with the EU. “I don’t think there will be substantial progress,” said one Japanese trade official. “We haven’t finished [free trade] negotiations with the EU, just agreed at the political level, and many issues still remain.” The official said the UK side was being “quite aggressive” in pushing for a commitment on a future trade deal with the world’s fourth-largest economy. Mrs May will argue that such an arrangement would be mutually beneficial. “We were big supporters of the EU-Japan trade deal and were engaged in negotiating it,” said one of Mrs May’s allies. “It would make sense for that deal to be replicated for us.” But Yoshiji Nogami, president of the Japan Institute of International Affairs, and a former ambassador to the UK, said: “We can’t negotiate until Britain is out of the EU. I think what Mr Abe wants to hear from the prime minister is where she hopes to land on Brexit.” Recommended Brexit free-trade illusions from the 19th century EU-Japan trade deal poses risks for post-Brexit UK Mrs May’s two-day visit, where she will be accompanied by a business delegation, comes as more Japanese companies begin discussions about moving their European headquarters from the UK to continental Europe. The first wave of moves involved Japan’s financial institutions, most of which have opted to establish hubs in Frankfurt and Amsterdam. But as negotiations between the UK and Europe take shape, other Japanese trading houses and industrial companies have opened talks with European governments about shifting their bases from the UK, say lawyers and other advisers. “Now that the banks have worked out their strategies, there is a second wave of Japanese companies with European HQs in the UK currently looking carefully at their options elsewhere,” said one person familiar with the discussions of two major Japanese companies. FT Brexit Briefing Email, daily Follow the big issues on the separation of the UK from the EU. daily Japanese companies are encountering strong inducements from rival European countries. Hitachi Rail, which took a controlling stake in the Italian rail group Ansaldo STS in 2015, is under pressure from Rome to move its European headquarters from the UK to Italy, according to Italian officials. Mrs May’s team believe that a transitional period between Brexit in 2019 and the entry into force of a new EU/UK trade deal would provide a period of up to three years in which to agree a new trade deal with Tokyo. In private, Mr Abe will urge Mrs May to minimise disruption for Japanese companies in the UK. They are growing increasingly concerned about Britain’s plans to leave the EU customs union and single market. “We need transition arrangements so business has time to plan,” said a senior official of Keidanren, Japan’s biggest business organisation. “We want both sides to show flexibility, but in particular, we’d encourage the UK to recalibrate its basic position.” Many Japanese companies were encouraged to use the UK as a base to sell into the European single market by Margaret Thatcher in the 1980s. British ministers have been anxious to reassure them they are seeking to minimise the impact of Brexit. One minister said Japanese companies in Britain were treated as “home companies” and were fully involved in discussions about Brexit; companies including Honda, Nissan and Toyota have signalled their commitment to the UK in recent months. Nissan, which operates a large plant in Sunderland, was given personal assurances by Mrs May in October that the factory would not be affected by Brexit. Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2017. All rights reserved. You may share using our article tools. Please don't copy articles from FT.com and redistribute by email or post to the web. Share on Twitter (opens new window) Share on Facebook (opens new window) Share on LinkedIn (opens new window) 299 Print this page Latest on Brexit Finance graduates stick with Britain despite Brexit Vauxhall decision looms as key moment for Brexit London trading centres put Brexit plans into action The Big Read Can Japan provide answers to the west’s problems? Brexit Briefing Japanese lessons for Theresa May 2 hours ago Read latest Brexit Briefing Japa

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Yet another UK cunning plan that has it's place more comfortably in a 'Black Adder' script than in the realities of Brexit negociation! :smile:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...l-david-davis-theresa-may-trade-a7919596.html

 

[Lord Football]

https://www.ft.com/content/0047b3c2-8b1e-11e7-a352-e46f43c5825d

Try this. The FT employ a paywall, although I was able to access this on line googling 'Trade talks with Japan stall' You could try that if it still doesnt work.

No, sorry it doesn't work..........try what I suggested above. In googling it comes up on my computer as the sixth article, scrolling down.

Alternatively!.............

Please use the sharing tools found via the email icon at the top of articles. Copying articles to share with others is a breach of FT.com T&Cs and Copyright Policy. Email licensing@ft.com to buy additional rights. Subscribers may share up to 10 or 20 articles per month using the gift article service. More information can be found here.
https://www.ft.com/content/0047b3c2-8b1e-11e7-a352-e46f43c5825d

August 28, 2017 by: Robin Harding and Leo Lewis in Tokyo and George Parker in London Theresa May is set for disappointment on her visit to Tokyo this week after Japanese officials signalled they would not rush into free trade talks with Britain. The British prime minister, who is hungry for new trade agreements to show the benefits of Brexit, is expected to discuss a UK-Japan version of the deal Tokyo agreed in principle with the EU last month when she meets her Japanese counterpart Shinzo Abe. But Japanese officials say their priority is completing the deal with Brussels, while negotiations with Britain will be difficult until there is clarity about its future relationship with the EU. “I don’t think there will be substantial progress,” said one Japanese trade official. “We haven’t finished [free trade] negotiations with the EU, just agreed at the political level, and many issues still remain.” The official said the UK side was being “quite aggressive” in pushing for a commitment on a future trade deal with the world’s fourth-largest economy. Mrs May will argue that such an arrangement would be mutually beneficial. “We were big supporters of the EU-Japan trade deal and were engaged in negotiating it,” said one of Mrs May’s allies. “It would make sense for that deal to be replicated for us.” But Yoshiji Nogami, president of the Japan Institute of International Affairs, and a former ambassador to the UK, said: “We can’t negotiate until Britain is out of the EU. I think what Mr Abe wants to hear from the prime minister is where she hopes to land on Brexit.” Recommended Brexit free-trade illusions from the 19th century EU-Japan trade deal poses risks for post-Brexit UK Mrs May’s two-day visit, where she will be accompanied by a business delegation, comes as more Japanese companies begin discussions about moving their European headquarters from the UK to continental Europe. The first wave of moves involved Japan’s financial institutions, most of which have opted to establish hubs in Frankfurt and Amsterdam. But as negotiations between the UK and Europe take shape, other Japanese trading houses and industrial companies have opened talks with European governments about shifting their bases from the UK, say lawyers and other advisers. “Now that the banks have worked out their strategies, there is a second wave of Japanese companies with European HQs in the UK currently looking carefully at their options elsewhere,” said one person familiar with the discussions of two major Japanese companies. FT Brexit Briefing Email, daily Follow the big issues on the separation of the UK from the EU. daily Japanese companies are encountering strong inducements from rival European countries. Hitachi Rail, which took a controlling stake in the Italian rail group Ansaldo STS in 2015, is under pressure from Rome to move its European headquarters from the UK to Italy, according to Italian officials. Mrs May’s team believe that a transitional period between Brexit in 2019 and the entry into force of a new EU/UK trade deal would provide a period of up to three years in which to agree a new trade deal with Tokyo. In private, Mr Abe will urge Mrs May to minimise disruption for Japanese companies in the UK. They are growing increasingly concerned about Britain’s plans to leave the EU customs union and single market. “We need transition arrangements so business has time to plan,” said a senior official of Keidanren, Japan’s biggest business organisation. “We want both sides to show flexibility, but in particular, we’d encourage the UK to recalibrate its basic position.” Many Japanese companies were encouraged to use the UK as a base to sell into the European single market by Margaret Thatcher in the 1980s. British ministers have been anxious to reassure them they are seeking to minimise the impact of Brexit. One minister said Japanese companies in Britain were treated as “home companies” and were fully involved in discussions about Brexit; companies including Honda, Nissan and Toyota have signalled their commitment to the UK in recent months. Nissan, which operates a large plant in Sunderland, was given personal assurances by Mrs May in October that the factory would not be affected by Brexit. Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2017. All rights reserved. You may share using our article tools. Please don't copy articles from FT.com and redistribute by email or post to the web. Share on Twitter (opens new window) Share on Facebook (opens new window) Share on LinkedIn (opens new window) 299 Print this page Latest on Brexit Finance graduates stick with Britain despite Brexit Vauxhall decision looms as key moment for Brexit London trading centres put Brexit plans into action The Big Read Can Japan provide answers to the west’s problems? Brexit Briefing Japanese lessons for Theresa May 2 hours ago Read latest Brexit Briefing Japa

Yeah, nothing there is actually new news. Those of us who know about trade deals and how they work were saying this before June last year. Sadly, once again, you are told not to listen to experts.

You also need to ask yourself why Trump, who is about to tear up NAFTA is keen for a US UK Trade deal when he pulled out of TTIP. This coming from the Make American Great Again and America First protagonist.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-41097401

Don't change your cash at the airport if you're going abroad.

 

[MK Shrimper]

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-41097401

Don't change your cash at the airport if you're going abroad.

To be honest, why would you? Even before this mess you'd get a terrible exchange rate.