Brexit negotiations thread

[rigsby]

Great Britain, but not the United Kingdom it seems.......

I don't like the term UK, mainly because its to far down any scroll list when you have to give your address.

Mary Peters won her gold medal for Great Britain so that's good enough for me.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Brexit In Name Only

Oh yeah. Thanks

 

[Lord Football]

I don't like the term UK, mainly because its to far down any scroll list when you have to give your address.

Mary Peters won her gold medal for Great Britain so that's good enough for me.

But actually, the point I make is valid. The name of the place we live in is the United Kingdom, Great Britain is just the bigger of the two islands. By implication the word Brexit omits N Ireland from the equation. And as I've said before, Northern Ireland is the unsquarable circle.

Mary Peters won her gold competing for Great Britain and Northern Ireland, but more crucially, when a N Irish represented GB in Jeux Sans Frontiers, they had NI on their backs.

 

[rigsby]

But actually, the point I make is valid. The name of the place we live in is the United Kingdom, Great Britain is just the bigger of the two islands. By implication the word Brexit omits N Ireland from the equation. And as I've said before, Northern Ireland is the unsquarable circle.

Mary Peters won her gold competing for Great Britain and Northern Ireland, but more crucially, when a N Irish represented GB in Jeux Sans Frontiers, they had NI on their backs.

The Northern Ireland bit never used to be mentioned. Nobody was bothered at the time.

Its one thing to argue over the financial aspects of Brexit. Telling the majority it wont work because the paperwork is to complicated is a poor excuse. After all the red tape and endless time consuming regulation that created the bloated, costly and corrupt EU was one of the main reasons many of us voted out.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

What's BRINO?

'BINO' but adding an 'R' so as to distinguish it aurally from 'BEANO'

 

[MK Shrimper]

'BINO' but adding an 'R' so as to distinguish it aurally from 'BEANO'

Or just BIN. Where Brexit belongs.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

[QUOTE="rigsby, post: 2076919, member: 13088"]The Northern Ireland bit never used to be mentioned. Nobody was bothered at the time.

Its one thing to argue over the financial aspects of Brexit. Telling the majority it wont work because the paperwork is to complicated is a poor excuse. After all the red tape and endless time consuming regulation that created the bloated, costly and corrupt EU was one of the main reasons many of us voted out.[/QUOTE]

I suppose your are aware that 56% of the population in NI voted to remain in the EU?

 

[Benfleet A1]

'BINO' but adding an 'R' so as to distinguish it aurally from 'BEANO'

The way it's going is like something out of The Beano.

 

[Swiss Tony]

[QUOTE="rigsby, post: 2076919, member: 13088"]The Northern Ireland bit never used to be mentioned. Nobody was bothered at the time.

Its one thing to argue over the financial aspects of Brexit. Telling the majority it wont work because the paperwork is to complicated is a poor excuse. After all the red tape and endless time consuming regulation that created the bloated, costly and corrupt EU was one of the main reasons many of us voted out.

I suppose your are aware that 56% of the population in NI voted to remain in the EU?[/QUOTE]

Democracy is a bitch eh! the population of NI 1.8 million the UK is 66 million,the vote was to leave the mad house roll next march.

 

[Lord Football]

The Northern Ireland bit never used to be mentioned. Nobody was bothered at the time.

Its one thing to argue over the financial aspects of Brexit. Telling the majority it wont work because the paperwork is to complicated is a poor excuse. After all the red tape and endless time consuming regulation that created the bloated, costly and corrupt EU was one of the main reasons many of us voted out.

I think you'll find the additional red tape caused by not being in the EU is going to be almost a bigger issue as Northern Ireland. You bang on about "corrupt" EU, what is your view on JRM moving his company to Ireland and then giving advice on how to avoid the post Brexit crash? Do you not think that a bit corrupt.

Anyway, I've spouted on from my position of expertese on Brexit (or at least the international trade elements), so your turn. What is your view on the projected redution in house prices? A good or bad thing?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I think you'll find the additional red tape caused by not being in the EU is going to be almost a bigger issue as Northern Ireland. You bang on about "corrupt" EU, what is your view on JRM moving his company to Ireland and then giving advice on how to avoid the post Brexit crash? Do you not think that a bit corrupt.

Anyway, I've spouted on from my position of expertese on Brexit (or at least the international trade elements), so your turn. What is your view on the projected redution in house prices? A good or bad thing?

Clearly that's Project Fear 2.0.It'll only happen if there's a no deal Brexit,something which the events of this last week or so have suggested is unlikely to happen.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I suppose your are aware that 56% of the population in NI voted to remain in the EU?

Democracy is a bitch eh! the population of NI 1.8 million the UK is 66 million,the vote was to leave the mad house roll next march.[/QUOTE]

Interestingly,one of the unintended consequences of Brexit might well be the break up of the UK.

There's been talk in Ireland, for the first time in a generation, of a referendum on a united Ireland.Also you can bet that when the SNP next decide to call a referendum on the Union (some time after the UK has finally left the UK)they'll want to make sure the outcome is rather different than last time around.

 

[Lord Football]

Clearly that's Project Fear 2.0.It'll only happen if there's a no deal Brexit,something which the events of this last week or so have suggested is unlikely to happen.

Well I don't know, so I thought I ask someone who might.....

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Well I don't know, so I thought I ask someone who might.....

Don't take my word for it.That's what a Tory boy reckoned on the revamped Daily Politics earlier.I make him right though.

 

[rigsby]

I think you'll find the additional red tape caused by not being in the EU is going to be almost a bigger issue as Northern Ireland. You bang on about "corrupt" EU, what is your view on JRM moving his company to Ireland and then giving advice on how to avoid the post Brexit crash? Do you not think that a bit corrupt.

Anyway, I've spouted on from my position of expertese on Brexit (or at least the international trade elements), so your turn. What is your view on the projected redution in house prices? A good or bad thing?

I thought house prices were going to slump 2 years ago along with an emergency budget and WW3.

I don't take much notice of Chatham House generated news. If you don't building enough houses for the population you already have and allow a decade of uncontrolled immigration, then of course prices will go up. If we remained in the EU the problem would only get worse. We are already at a stage where many young people will have to rely on inheritance before they could ever own a house.

We are never going to have any large scale social housing projects because nearly all of the 1% and the next 10% have made fortunes from land and property. Plus its great way to control the workers....High mortgages and rents means your less likely to strike etc.

 

[Lord Football]

I thought house prices were going to slump 2 years ago along with an emergency budget and WW3.

I don't take much notice of Chatham House generated news. If you don't building enough houses for the population you already have and allow a decade of uncontrolled immigration, then of course prices will go up. If we remained in the EU the problem would only get worse. We are already at a stage where many young people will have to rely on inheritance before they could ever own a house.

We are never going to have any large scale social housing projects because nearly all of the 1% and the next 10% have made fortunes from land and property. Plus its great way to control the workers....High mortgages and rents means your less likely to strike etc.

So, is it a good or a bad thing?

If you don't want to answer I could go and ask a bloke in the pub, but I thought I'd try you first?

 

[MK Shrimper]

I was under the impression that people buying homes to let them out is one of the main problems of why house prices have risen. Aren't you a landlord Rigsby? I'm sure you've done very nicely out of it all.

And if you think that a crash in house prices will result in thousands of affordable properties coming onto the market you're living in cloud cuckoo land. They'll be even less as people won't sell their house at a loss - not to mention that a rise in interest rates will make mortgages less affordable.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I was under the impression that people buying homes to let them out is one of the main problems of why house prices have risen. Aren't you a landlord Rigsby? I'm sure you've done very nicely out of it all.

And if you think that a crash in house prices will result in thousands of affordable properties coming onto the market you're living in cloud cuckoo land. They'll be even less as people won't sell their house at a loss - not to mention that a rise in interest rates will make mortgages less affordable.

Rigsby is SZ's very own Rachman.

 

[rigsby]

So, is it a good or a bad thing?

If you don't want to answer I could go and ask a bloke in the pub, but I thought I'd try you first?

I think my answer is quite clear. I voted out for the benefits of others, not for landlords.

If there was a steady fall in prices that would be good but its not going to happen because Brexit will not see any huge exit of people and we don't build nowhere near enough houses,

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Things seem to be moving at such a pace now.............and I'm not talking about the pace of negotiations. Emily Thornberry has apparently announced that Labour would vote down the government Brexit deal...........difficult to know whether the Tories could then amass enough votes in those circumstances...........perhaps?
Whilst we are all looking towards the horizon and guessing how Brexit is going to pan out, maybe it's an idea to look behind us, where some people are predicting that heavy and threatening clouds are forming. Quite a bit of talk (and not just from Gordon Brown) about the risk of a new financial crash, a worse one than 2008. So here's a thought..........will the UK be better prepared and protected outside the EU, if, or when, that eventuality arises?