Blimey

[canveyshrimper]

Im not and as they have started to help fund the EU it goes for more then just a levy on tax . The thing your all missing is this . Norway still have a lot of money ... and they didn't just **** off their best customers .

Why would Norway as a non member of the EU help fund it?

 

[Dick Bate's Protege]

Im not and as they have started to help fund the EU it goes for more then just a levy on tax . The thing your all missing is this . Norway still have a lot of money ... and they didn't just **** off their best customers .

Why do you come at this as if we're a nation on its knees? Last time I checked we were still one of the ten richest countries in the World with a Commonwealth involving the likes of India, Canada and Australia. I know it doesn't fit your anti everything British agenda, but there's life in good old blighty yet.

 

[osymandus]

Why would Norway as a non member of the EU help fund it?

Trade , they may not be members but who do you hink they trade ?
Dick- Im not. I'm pointing out this was most likley a mistake and your proving the point of it being a ideology of nations , its not , we buy we sell , we dont have teh clout many people think we do . We really don't make anything , and if the finical services get a better deal (at present they wont ) they can move .

 

[canveyshrimper]

Trade , they may not be members but who do you hink they trade ?
Dick- Im not. I'm pointing out this was most likley a mistake and your proving the point of it being a ideology of nations , its not , we buy we sell , we dont have teh clout many people think we do . We really don't make anything , and if the finical services get a better deal (at present they wont ) they can move .

Of course they trade with EU countries, in fact Norway is one of the biggest trading partners my company has. The point I made is that Norway doesn't benefit from the single market. Goods have to be customs cleared on arrival either in Norway or the country that is taking Norwegian cargo, and importers will have to pay duty & tax on goods arriving.

And to make the remark that we don't make anything is crass. There's plenty of goods exported from this country it's just convenientto people to trot out the line that we don't have a manufacturing industry. I'm in the freight & logistics business and I wouldn't be in a job if we weren't exporting.

 

[Dick Bate's Protege]

Trade , they may not be members but who do you hink they trade ?
Dick- Im not. I'm pointing out this was most likley a mistake and your proving the point of it being a ideology of nations , its not , we buy we sell , we dont have teh clout many people think we do . We really don't make anything , and if the finical services get a better deal (at present they wont ) they can move .

I've spent 10 minutes trying to pull that statement apart, and can only conclude after careful consideration that its utter bollocks.

 

[canveyshrimper]

I've spent 10 minutes trying to pull that statement apart, and can only conclude after careful consideration that its utter bollocks.

:hilarious: On reflection your response was better than mine.

 

[osymandus]

Still think we can match Norway . http://mobile.businessweek.com/news...-bailout-fund-as-eu-debates-outside-help.html

Canvey lovely one firm . well done how many more in the Uk . And ifits so influencal why is it such a small part of gdp.

 

[Neil_F]

Have I missed something? Has Britain left the EU?

I'm yet to hear a convincing explanation of why Britain should have signed up to a new Treaty of 27 given what was proposed. It was a total waste of time that wouldn't solve the Euro crisis and doesn't even attempt to. I just don't understand those people that say we should sign up so we can stay in the room. What are we staying in the room for when the next decision is just a repeat exercise?

All the people saying that this decision will cost British jobs are talking nonsense. Nothing will change on Monday morning with our trading relationship and, much more importantly, nothing will change with the Euro crisis because France and Germany remain in total denial as to what the problem actually is.

 

[Neil_F]

In the immediate future there's likely to be a two track Europe with 26 countries in the fast lane and only one country in the slow lane,the UK.As Ed.Miliband(and others)have pointed out:-This is a terrible outcome for British business, British jobs and for Britain."

But why???? Let's assume that all the legal issues can be resolved and the 26 sign up to some kind of fiscal auditing with Britain exempted. How is that bad for British business?

People like Ed Miliband and Paddy Ashdown keep saying this but no one evers says why. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Britain remains in the single market so how exactly will British businesses be damaged by this decision?

 

[osymandus]

Have I missed something? Has Britain left the EU?

I'm yet to hear a convincing explanation of why Britain should have signed up to a new Treaty of 27 given what was proposed. It was a total waste of time that wouldn't solve the Euro crisis and doesn't even attempt to. I just don't understand those people that say we should sign up so we can stay in the room. What are we staying in the room for when the next decision is just a repeat exercise?

All the people saying that this decision will cost British jobs are talking nonsense. Nothing will change on Monday morning with our trading relationship and, much more importantly, nothing will change with the Euro crisis because France and Germany remain in total denial as to what the problem actually is.

Shame we're talking more then a week a head of what might happen . Cameron went into the meeting with the list of demands . Not wanting to negotiate in any terms or even it appears to make some allies of those were may not politicly agree and would negotiate later on . Also as already pointed out its not a new treaty , while it would have been easier to have all 27 agree , 26 can figure out ways round to make it work .

If your not in the room you have no say . And if it does survive and carry on that will hit s hard.

 

[Neil_F]

If your not in the room you have no say . And if it does survive and carry on that will hit s hard.

Whether it is a Treaty or protocol or agreement is irrelevant. Would you agree that what has been agreed does nothing to solve the Euro crisis? If so what would have been the point in signing up to it?

We've been in the room for 28 years but it doesn't seem to have got us very far. Britain has been making the case for fiscal integration and the ECB to act as the lender of last resort yet reports suggest this was one of the causes of French stubborness.

I still haven't heard a convincing reason to sign up to a Treaty (that was the original intention) that reduced our ability to set financial regulation when it didn't do anything to solve the current crisis. I repeat, is there anything that the EU could propose that these people wouldn't sign up to???

 

[osymandus]

Whether it is a Treaty or protocol or agreement is irrelevant. Would you agree that what has been agreed does nothing to solve the Euro crisis? If so what would have been the point in signing up to it?

We've been in the room for 28 years but it doesn't seem to have got us very far. Britain has been making the case for fiscal integration and the ECB to act as the lender of last resort yet reports suggest this was one of the causes of French stubborness.

I still haven't heard a convincing reason to sign up to a Treaty (that was the original intention) that reduced our ability to set financial regulation when it didn't do anything to solve the current crisis. I repeat, is there anything that the EU could propose that these people wouldn't sign up to???

Actually it isn't treatys come under the legality of EU . A compact as this is is new territory for the legal bod's in Brussels (ref Radio 4 ), for instance the imposing of sanctions for countries that over spend are coming from a "borrowed" European court (which of course would only have real power if all 27 had agreed ).

So the say in the free trade and other fiscal agreements ? The ability to call on European allies for the wars , no use then ?
The Treaty was no longer the issue the real problem came when Cameron joined the EPP last year and political decisions that began to isolate him then . Even some parts of the City are now warning him on this (this is also similar to an article in the FT ) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...n-veto-may-come-back-to-haunt-it-6275092.html . Deals and newer treaties can be put through my majority votes , our veto dosnt cover everything . Thats 26 countries ****ed off .


Appears Vince Cable (man who ran Shell's finances for 2 years small company you may not have heard of it )
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16133286 is a tad worried

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

And to make the remark that we don't make anything is crass.

25% of the new Boeing apparently. Not bad for a third world country. And last time I looked the US was not in the EU.
Just one question. We all know Tories like money and making it (just as much as Labour like spending it). Why would they do something that might jeopardise this. The answer is they wouldn't and don't. There might be short term inconvenience because of the veto but it's a big world out there beyond the bureaucracy of the EU.

 

[osymandus]

25% of the new Boeing apparently. Not bad for a third world country. And last time I looked the US was not in the EU.
Just one question. We all know Tories like money and making it (just as much as Labour like spending it). Why would they do something that might jeopardise this. The answer is they wouldn't and don't. There might be short term inconvenience because of the veto but it's a big world out there beyond the bureaucracy of the EU.

Lovely how many are being sold , to where and how cheaply do we make it (and who makes the components and raw materials ?bet Chinas involved )

I'd forgotten about our trade agreements with Brazil , Mexico , Korea , India and China and our huge manufacturing industry that ... oh wait doesn't match any of these (cheap labour you see). And we buy a lot of their good's. Still the expence of hurling the goods back and forth will be fine , it's not like fuels at a premium .

 

[Napster]

Appears Vince Cable (man who ran Shell's finances for 2 years small company you may not have heard of it )
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16133286 is a tad worried

poor old Vince. Heading for the scrapheap that one.

 

[steveo]

Interesting to see commentators like Will Hutton saying this morning(in The Observer)that there is now no chance that the coalition will last until 2015.

Sorry Barna, bit late catching up with this. Would this be the same will Hutton who said it would be a disaster for Britain if we didnt join the Euro?

 

[canveyshrimper]

Still think we can match Norway . http://mobile.businessweek.com/news...-bailout-fund-as-eu-debates-outside-help.html

Canvey lovely one firm . well done how many more in the Uk . And ifits so influencal why is it such a small part of gdp.

Trade between Norway & the UK is and has always been quite bouyant because of the Oil & Gas Industry, and despite what the doom makers say there's still plenty of fields out there to be explored and developed. Look at the sites for the Jasmine & Golden Eagle fields, and many others.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Interesting to get a European perspective on Britain's veto, I know that these are selective quotes but they do seem to come from quite influential sources. Some sugesting that this is more an 'adieu' than an 'au revoir' for our future in Europe.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-blessing-for-europe-says-france-6275767.html
Promises to be a fascinating afternoon in Westmister today.

 

[osymandus]

Trade between Norway & the UK is and has always been quite bouyant because of the Oil & Gas Industry, and despite what the doom makers say there's still plenty of fields out there to be explored and developed. Look at the sites for the Jasmine & Golden Eagle fields, and many others.

Not what Im talking about or what others are talking about. The oil isn't the issue nor our personal trade it's if the UK could actually acquire the wealth required to become like Norway , which is what people are saying we should do as a possible alternate to being in the EU.

 

[canveyshrimper]

Not what Im talking about or what others are talking about. The oil isn't the issue nor our personal trade it's if the UK could actually acquire the wealth required to become like Norway , which is what people are saying we should do as a possible alternate to being in the EU.

...but Norway's wealth has largely come from the North Sea oil& gas fields so surely the two are intrinsicly linked?