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Battle of the Sitcoms - Round One (Heat 5)

Which Sitcom ??


  • Total voters
    82
  • Poll closed .
I voted Father Ted - every episode was hilarious, something that can't be said for Red Dwarf, though it'll always hold a place in my heart.

Shame that one of them had to go out.
 
Kryten: [Discussing the possibilities of the time-travelling slides] We could go back to Dallas in November 1963, stand on the grassy knoll, and shout 'Duck!'. [Beat] Sorry, I must have bypassed my good-taste chip.
 
Yeah, fair point mate. I wasn't trying to slag off Red Dwarf overly, I actually would put it though in most of these rounds, but I genuinely think Father Ted is my favourite comedy of all time. Barring maybe Partridge and Spaced. I just like a good argument! And have nothing to do at work...

Neck and neck now!

That's fair enough, Sean, but doesn't mean that you should just be making stuff up. Series One and Two of Red Dwarf are good (in fact I watched through the first season this last weekend by coincidence) even if they are low budget. 'Kryten' & 'Queeg' are both probably in the top six or seven Dwarf episodes ever.
 
That's fair enough, Sean, but doesn't mean that you should just be making stuff up. Series One and Two of Red Dwarf are good (in fact I watched through the first season this last weekend by coincidence) even if they are low budget. 'Kryten' & 'Queeg' are both probably in the top six or seven Dwarf episodes ever.

I did too Beefy, going to watch the whole lot.

The only poor series' are 7&8 in my book. Some people have said series 1&2 are poor but the formula in those shows is what made Red Dwarf so appealing in the first place, the fact that Rimmer and Lister hate each other and the dialogue between the two was superb.

Althought I don't really like series 7, i do like the underlying plot that they find out how Red Dwarf was lost in series 5 and they piece the jigsaw together and find RD again.
 
That's fair enough, Sean, but doesn't mean that you should just be making stuff up. Series One and Two of Red Dwarf are good (in fact I watched through the first season this last weekend by coincidence) even if they are low budget. 'Kryten' & 'Queeg' are both probably in the top six or seven Dwarf episodes ever.

Cheers Beefy, have a quote on me......

Kryten: Well, is anything the matter?
Rimmer: [Deadpan] Anything the matter?? They're dead.
Kryten: Who's dead?
Rimmer, pointing at three skeletons: They are dead. They're all dead.
Kryten: My God!... I was only away two minutes!
Rimmer: They've been dead for centuries!
Kryten: No!
Rimmer: Yes!
Kryten: Are you a doctor?
Rimmer: You've only got to look at them. They've got less meat on them than a Chicken McNugget!
Kryten: Well, what am I going to do?
Lister: I think the first thing we should do is bury them.
Kryten: You're that sure they're dead?
Rimmer: Look, there's a simple test. Hands up all of you who are alive.
 
That's fair enough, Sean, but doesn't mean that you should just be making stuff up. Series One and Two of Red Dwarf are good (in fact I watched through the first season this last weekend by coincidence) even if they are low budget. 'Kryten' & 'Queeg' are both probably in the top six or seven Dwarf episodes ever.

Well that largely depends on if you think that making stuff up is the same as merely having a different opinion to you. I saw them repeated the other month too, and thought they'd dated terribly (like that awful first series of Blackadder). It felt very much like a series struggling to find its feet in the early stages to me at least, with all of Series 1 being a bit poor without Kryten's character for balance. Granted it improved after that, and tongue tied was great, but it was only Series 3 - 5 that were comedy gold for me anyhow. And ultimately that's what we're voting for here, or else I'd be in the Vicar of Dibley thread...

But hey, I'm not trying to lose 2 of my best mates in a row about a comedy show. Any other round, I'd be all over Dwarf. But for me, its up against one of the 3 best British sitcoms ever...
 
Well that largely depends on if you think that making stuff up is the same as merely having a different opinion to you. I saw them repeated the other month too, and thought they'd dated terribly (like that awful first series of Blackadder). It felt very much like a series struggling to find its feet in the early stages to me at least, with all of Series 1 being a bit poor without Kryten's character for balance. Granted it improved after that, and tongue tied was great, but it was only Series 3 - 5 that were comedy gold for me anyhow. And ultimately that's what we're voting for here, or else I'd be in the Vicar of Dibley thread...

But hey, I'm not trying to lose 2 of my best mates in a row about a comedy show. Any other round, I'd be all over Dwarf. But for me, its up against one of the 3 best British sitcoms ever...

Of course it's just opinions, the important thing to remember is we're right and you're wrong.

In any other round I'd be all over Ted. But for me, it's up against one of the 3 best British sitcoms ever.

As for G&S v Dibley, that's like asking me which of my balls I'd rather have punched.
 
Actually as far as Red Dwarf goes, i rate the first two seasons quite highly. Kryten always seemed like a one-shot deal as a character, whereas the first 2 series relied more on Barrie and Charles going off against each other, which was generally good to watch and a bit more consistent. There's some quality stuff in 3-6 of course, but I think it lost some charm (and certainly some characterisation) during that period. Father Ted, as Sean said, seemed to have a slightly different focus in each season that kept it relatively fresh- though doubtless if they'd been able to go on much further than that, the show's limits might have come to the fore more.
 
RD jumped the shark when Kochanski came in.

BTW, I still think the best scene is the toaster scene.

The screen hums and crackles with white noise, which clears to a computer

display:



BOOT UP SEQUENCE INITIATED


Clears to display:



VISUAL SYSTEM CCD 517.3



ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE SYSTEM K177



MACHINE IDENT: TALKIE TOASTER



MANUFACTURER: TAIWAN (( CRAPOLA INC.



RECOMMENDED RETAIL PRICE:



$#19.99 PLUS TAX




Clears to display:



AURAL SYSTEM: ON-LINE


This vanishes, to be replaced with a view of KRYTEN [he’s an android]; it is heavily biased toward the chin, as though shot from beneath, and through a yellow filter. As we watch, the yellow fades, to be replaced by colours.


KRYTEN: Hello? Can you hear me? Oh, no, of course not: I haven't engaged your verbal systems.

He presses some buttons on an off-screen keyboard.

LISTER: (From offscreen) Kryten.

2 Int. Science room.

LISTER approaches KRYTEN [Lister is an Afro-Liverpudlian pseudo-Rastafarian space bum].

LISTER: Kryten, what you doing, man?

KRYTEN: I've just repaired the toaster, Sir. Well, I've nearly repaired the toaster.

LISTER: Oh NO, man! Dismantle him! You don't know what the little bleeder's like!

KRYTEN: Well, I've read all the documentation, Sir. He's simply a talking alarm clock who provides his owner with early morning toast and light conversation.

LISTER: Not this one. This one's mental.

KRYTEN: Sir?

LISTER: He's defective. He wants everyone to eat toast ALL OF THE TIME. He's obsessed with it. And if you don't want to eat, like, four hundred rounds of toast EVERY HOUR, he throws a major wobbler. That's what caused the accident in the first place.

KRYTEN: What accident?

LISTER: The accident involving me, the toaster, the waste disposal and the fourteen pound lump-hammer.

KRYTEN: That explains why he was down in the garbage hold in three thousand separate pieces.

LISTER: Another thing. He always says "Howdy doodly do." Drives you spare. I mean, what the smeg does "Howdy doodly do" mean?

KRYTEN: Well, just trust me, Sir. My motives will become clear.

He presses some more buttons on the keyboard. The TOASTER lights up and speaks. Its bread-lowering lever moves up and down as it speaks with its mid-Atlantic accent in an impossibly cheerful tone:

TOASTER: Howdy doodly do! How's it going? I'm Talkie -- Talkie Toaster, your chirpy breakfast companion. Talkie's the name, toasting's the game. Anyone like any toast?

LISTER: Look, I don't want any toast, and he (indicating KRYTEN) doesn't want any toast. In fact, no one around here wants any toast. Not now, not ever. NO TOAST.

TOASTER: How 'bout a muffin?

LISTER: OR muffins! OR muffins! We don't LIKE muffins ‘round here! We want no muffins, no toast, no teacakes, no buns, baps, baguettes or bagels, no croissants, no crumpets, no pancakes, no potato cakes and no hot-cross buns! And DEFINITELY. NO. SMEGGIN’. FLAPJACKS!

TOASTER: Aah, so you're a waffle man!

LISTER: (to KRYTEN) See? You see what he's like? He winds me up, man. There's no reasoning with him.

KRYTEN: If you'll allow me, Sir, as one mechanical to another. He'll understand me. (Addressing the TOASTER as one would address an errant child) Now. Now, you listen here. You will not offer ANY grilled bread products to ANY member of the crew. If you do, you will be on the receiving end of a very large polo mallet.

TOASTER: Can I ask just one question?

KRYTEN: Of course.

TOASTER: Would anyone like any toast?

KRYTEN: Didn't you HEAR what I just said?

TOASTER: Yes, but I thought you might have changed your mind in the meantime.

LISTER: You see? You see what he's like?

KRYTEN: (Exasperated) We haven't changed our mind!

LISTER: NO TOAST!

TOASTER: But I am a toaster. It is my raison d'etre. I toast, therefore I am. If you don't want any toast, why did you repair me?

LISTER: Yeah, why did you repair him?

KRYTEN: He's a guinea pig for a technique called "Intelligence Compression." His AI chips were very badly damaged in the accident.

TOASTER: But that was no accident! That was first-degree toastercide!

LISTER: Just shut your grill!
 
Used to love Father Ted, I never really got into Red Dwarfpersonally so its another vote for Craggy Island
 
I'd be very surprised if Father Ted don't make the semi's as used to love this programme and still have all the VHS in the loft ......................saddo i know !! Quality programme , well written and although not down to its own doing , probably stopped at just the right time as if run for to long ,most comedy's start losing their edge.
 
Pfffff... still undecided, not helped by the fact that I can't see Youtube clips here.

I was about to vote for Red Dwarf - which during series' 3 & 4 was magnificent - when someone uttered the words "My Lovely Horse", surely one of the most brilliant pieces of Sitcom writing in years.

Father Ted has the better theme tune as well (love a bit of Divine Comedy).

Argh. Hmm. Feck, @RSE!

I still need persuading. This is definitely one of the daddies of the contest, would have made a decent semi-final, for sure.

Matt
 
Quality programme , well written and although not down to its own doing , probably stopped at just the right time as if run for to long ,most comedy's start losing their edge.

though doubtless if they'd been able to go on much further than that, the show's limits might have come to the fore more.

Interesting / geeky point that. My friend said that if you watch the DVD extras or read the published scripts, they were going to stop at the end of 3 anyway. Morgan had expressed concerns they'd done all they could with it, and the writers felt that Fawlty Towers had the right idea of keeping the run shorter rather than longer. Originally the final ever episode was filmed so that when Ted ends up on the rooftop with the depressed priest for the second time, instead of talking him down they both jump off together holding hands. But when Morgan died a week or so before the last series aired, they changed it for the slightly sentimental 'montage'.

I've often wondered whether Morgan would have preferred the original ending? But I guess we'll never know...
 
Father Ted, game, set, match.




Sorry Ted. I was concentrating too hard on looking holy. :D
 

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