Am I the only one...

[GBJ]

Five goals in 11 games is a very decent ratio and better than anyone else at the club.

fair point. totally agree it is a good ratio. but surely someone of his calibre would be banging more goals at this level?

 

[Kris]

fair point. totally agree it is a good ratio. but surely someone of his calibre would be banging more goals at this level?

If we still had the likes of Sawyer and Robson-Kanu I think Freedman probably would score more because they would be able to pick out his runs more effectively. Unfortunately at the moment we don't have any genuine wide players who can consistently get crosses in for our strikers and no-one of real quality in the centre of the park.

If Freedman gets enough decent service he will score goals because he doesn't miss many chances. At the moment his movement often goes un-noticed because the right pass rarely arrives.

 

[BoyWonder2]

fair point. totally agree it is a good ratio. but surely someone of his calibre would be banging more goals at this level?

With was service though? Freedman, like Barnard, need chances created for them. Yes Freedman's quick thinking can probably create the odd chance for himself but he would need the service from the midfield and thats pretty much non-exsitent.

We had this exact same thread last week that got to 8 pages, now we have this one thats got to 7 pages. I'm staggered at this, I really am.

We are a better team with Freedman in the side FACT.
Freedman is joint top scored FACT
Freedman has a goalscoring ratio of nearly 1 in 2 FACT.

 

[Perth Bambi]

fair point. totally agree it is a good ratio. but surely someone of his calibre would be banging more goals at this level?

But if he was capable of scoring 7-8 in 11 at this level he wouldn't be playing at this level. I would imagine nearly 50% scoring record is better then most of our strikers in recent years, a record in which he hasn't been fit most of the time and has been in and out of the team.

The fitness is a worry although our players do seem to get injured quite a lot which is something that is quite worrying. I don't mean things like broken ankles as they are unfortunate but I do have that Tottenham feeling.

 

[Crawliano]

Let's face it. If Fernando Torres came to us on loan for the rest of the season he'd score no more than 5-10 goals in 15 games, not 30 goals in 15 just because he's a world class player.

One man does not make a team, Dougie is a great player with a proven track record but please remember the guy isn't playing against pub team defences, these are defences who are going to up their game as a proven natural goalscorer is up against them. Maybe he shouldn't go about shouting his head off at players as much, but he's doing the job that he's been asked to do. If Tilson disagreed then he'd stop doing it, it's not as if he's a law unto himself (well you'd hope not anyway).

 

[Crawliano]

And also, let's face it, if we're talking about the ultimate in players who done nothing but still could score a hatful I give you Gary Lineker. What a lazy sack of ****, but christ did he know how to get the ball to feet turn and put it away.

 

[GBJ]

i agree that the service is appaling at times and we do lack creativity in midfield. maybe if the likes of sawyer or HRK were still here we would be doing better and dougie would look a better player, but unfortunately they are not and we've got to cope with what we've got. at the moment, to me, he does not tick all the right boxes despite his good scoring ratio. seeing as laurent's injury isn't as bad as first thought, id suggest giving him and robinson a decent run in the team to see what they can do, because IMO they would be deadlier threat. then give dougie the last 15-20 mins so he can have a better impact on the game. he's legs would be fresher, his mind would be sharper and it could give the team that little lift that is occasionally needed

 

[GBJ]

We had this exact same thread last week that got to 8 pages, now we have this one thats got to 7 pages. I'm staggered at this, I really am.

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so? does it matter if it gets to 400 pages? in my book that makes a good debate and that's what this forum is all about. it's got to be far better than 3 pages of everyone agreeing on 1 topic. or is it a case of your point is across and that should be then end of it? if you don't want to read it, no-one is forcing you

 

[Perth Bambi]

so? does it matter if it gets to 400 pages? in my book that makes a good debate and that's what this forum is all about. it's got to be far better than 3 pages of everyone agreeing on 1 topic. or is it a case of your point is across and that should be then end of it? if you don't want to read it, no-one is forcing you

I think this is the correct statement you have made in the thread ;) Now admit Dougie is amazing.

 

[GBJ]

Let's face it. If Fernando Torres came to us on loan for the rest of the season he'd score no more than 5-10 goals in 15 games, not 30 goals in 15 just because he's a world class player.

One man does not make a team, Dougie is a great player with a proven track record but please remember the guy isn't playing against pub team defences, these are defences who are going to up their game as a proven natural goalscorer is up against them. Maybe he shouldn't go about shouting his head off at players as much, but he's doing the job that he's been asked to do. If Tilson disagreed then he'd stop doing it, it's not as if he's a law unto himself (well you'd hope not anyway).

exactly. so why play the guy for nearly 90 mins, when surely he would be more effective in the last quarter. as you said they will up their game. so maybe if they came up against 2 unknown strikers i.e. laurent and robbo, they would underestimate them? just like many people said this happened with freddy. in league 2 and league 1 no-one REALLY knew what to expect. but when he's played in the CCC defenders of better quality know his game and keep him in check. i don't neccessarily agree with this though.

 

[GBJ]

I think this is the correct statement you have made in the thread ;) Now admit Dougie is amazing.

he is amazingly crap!!;) just kidding. i just don't understand why people see his positives but none of his negatives! honestly i DO think he can offer us something but not for 90 minutes and his attitude has to change! he has no god given right to berate other players, i'm all for encouragement, but i think certain players i.e. francis have been effected by him at certain times in matches

 

[Crawliano]

exactly. so why play the guy for nearly 90 mins, when surely he would be more effective in the last quarter. as you said they will up their game. so maybe if they came up against 2 unknown strikers i.e. laurent and robbo, they would underestimate them? just like many people said this happened with freddy. in league 2 and league 1 no-one REALLY knew what to expect. but when he's played in the CCC defenders of better quality know his game and keep him in check. i don't neccessarily agree with this though.

We tried that. Mark Salter never exactly set the world alight outside of Frome did he?

I'd sooner a proven striker who could turn a game with one kick than take any more risks and end up signing the Blue Square South Select XI 2008.

 

[Crawliano]

he is amazingly crap!!;) just kidding. i just don't understand why people see his positives but none of his negatives! honestly i DO think he can offer us something but not for 90 minutes and his attitude has to change! he has no god given right to berate other players, i'm all for encouragement, but i think certain players i.e. francis have been effected by him at certain times in matches

I think the crowd are doing more to get at Franno than than that one man. Oh when he gave the ball away on Tuesday I think the area of the west where I was sitting got more animated than when we scored!

 

[GBJ]

I think the crowd are doing more to get at Franno than than that one man. Oh when he gave the ball away on Tuesday I think the area of the west where I was sitting got more animated than when we scored!

exactly!!!! it's not the first time he's done this but here's a perfect example. against crewe, just in front of the black seats in the east, freedman had a shocking first touch, tried to regain control, then made a hash of that and the ball rolled out for a throw-in, why was he not given the same treatment as francis? is it;
a) no-one wants to acknowledge his faults
b) the 23-year old making his way in the game deserved to get ripped apart more than an experienced pro
c)it wasn't dougies fault, the glare from the floodlight got in his eye

 

[Jam_Man]

so? does it matter if it gets to 400 pages? in my book that makes a good debate and that's what this forum is all about. it's got to be far better than 3 pages of everyone agreeing on 1 topic. or is it a case of your point is across and that should be then end of it? if you don't want to read it, no-one is forcing you

We do all agree, its just you that disagrees (oh and one other person now).

:)

 

[Perth Bambi]

exactly!!!! it's not the first time he's done this but here's a perfect example. against crewe, just in front of the black seats in the east, freedman had a shocking first touch, tried to regain control, then made a hash of that and the ball rolled out for a throw-in, why was he not given the same treatment as francis? is it;
a) no-one wants to acknowledge his faults
b) the 23-year old making his way in the game deserved to get ripped apart more than an experienced pro
c)it wasn't dougies fault, the glare from the floodlight got in his eye

d) the fact that Francis has been doing this kind of thing constantly the whole season. I am sure if Freedman did that non stop all the time then people would get on his back to.

 

[GBJ]

We do all agree, its just you that disagrees (oh and one other person now).

:)

weel done. good input. so what should i do now? agree because everyone else does? maybe i should put on something made of wool and go around saying BAAAH BAAAH.
from what i was aware, this was a decent discussion with some interesting views from people who were not condecending and could accept other people's views regardless if they aagreed or not.
maybe this thread should be locked because we've all agreed freedman is brilliant except for a few of us who wish to discuss this.
i don't believe there are any right or wrong answers, only opinion. and because your opinion agrees with majority doesn't make it correct, it just makes life easier for you. and as i can't remember you putting any decent points forward in this thread i question why you are now being condecending?

 

[GBJ]

d) the fact that Francis has been doing this kind of thing constantly the whole season. I am sure if Freedman did that non stop all the time then people would get on his back to.

this, unlike some responses on here is very good. no condecending, no personal jibes, no your wrong im right, just a sensible response.
anyway, true franno has had some shocking performances and at the start of the season didn't deserve a place on the bench let alone in the starting XI. but no-one can deny his form and performances have picked up considerably over the last 1-2 months. personally i think he is constantly worried about making a mistake because he doesn't want the fans to get on his back, as no pro would. i have seen freedman on more than one occasion (at least 6-7 times against crewe) nag at franno and this has effeted his performance also

 

[Crawliano]

d) the fact that Francis has been doing this kind of thing constantly the whole season. I am sure if Freedman did that non stop all the time then people would get on his back to.

Can only concur here, Mildenhall for example is now getting praise as he's really upped his game, Francis hasn't. Dougie's giving those around him thoughts and ideas, if someone wants to throw their toys out of their pram cos they're being told how to do something better on the pitch then that's their fault, we're lucky, we've got two great motivators playing in the team, one who would practically walk through bullets for the club they cherish leading from the back and another who is coming to the end of their career and wants to help a club that they see has some sort of promise and wants to be able to say that he helped be a catalyst for it and move on to something when their career is over with this on their CV. The way the guy conducts himself here in a more senior role could shape whether he has a career in football when he hangs up his boots or if he needs to pursue something elsewhere.

Personally I think once we're mathematically safe it's time to rest the players like Freedman, Laurent et al who have been slightly injured and give some of the kids a chance with nothing to play for, let's see what they can do and give people like Freedman the chance to show these kids just what his experience can give them...

(This based on the assumption that we're not in the play offs)

Also Theo's probably getting better coaching here than at Watford thanks to Dougie and that's worth him going out on loan on it's own.

 

[GBJ]

Can only concur here, Mildenhall for example is now getting praise as he's really upped his game, Francis hasn't. Dougie's giving those around him thoughts and ideas, if someone wants to throw their toys out of their pram cos they're being told how to do something better on the pitch then that's their fault, we're lucky, we've got two great motivators playing in the team, one who would practically walk through bullets for the club they cherish leading from the back and another who is coming to the end of their career and wants to help a club that they see has some sort of promise and wants to be able to say that he helped be a catalyst for it and move on to something when their career is over with this on their CV. The way the guy conducts himself here in a more senior role could shape whether he has a career in football when he hangs up his boots or if he needs to pursue something elsewhere.

Personally I think once we're mathematically safe it's time to rest the players like Freedman, Laurent et al who have been slightly injured and give some of the kids a chance with nothing to play for, let's see what they can do and give people like Freedman the chance to show these kids just what his experience can give them...

(This based on the assumption that we're not in the play offs)

Also Theo's probably getting better coaching here than at Watford thanks to Dougie and that's worth him going out on loan on it's own.

but as i said freedman has no god-given right to tell other players what to do. yes by all means encourage players, but surely SOMEONE has to agree with me that at times it looks more like he's telling players off