Am I the only one...

[Beefy]

graysblue.jr - why does it even matter if people are going over the top in their admiration for Freedman (although I note that once again you ignored my request for you to find a single post from anyone on here claiming that Freedman is "the best player ever" or whatever else you're convinced that we all think that he is)?

Your main point seems to be that he should be getting stick because other players have got stick before him (Gower, Francis, Goater, Harrold and many others). Surely the fans should be praised for not getting on Freedman's back.

Perhaps rather than asking why Freedman isn't getting heckled, you should ask yourself why our fans have previously turned on their own players for committing the crime of not being the best footballer in the World ever who does everything right and who never makes a mistake? And whether the stick that Gower and others got made them into better players?

 

[Crawliano]

but as i said freedman has no god-given right to tell other players what to do. yes by all means encourage players, but surely SOMEONE has to agree with me that at times it looks more like he's telling players off

I think this all comes down to "management styles", some people are fired up by being screamed at, some find it offensive.

It pains me to make a comparison, look at Gordon Ramsey, f's and blinds at those around him but is in the main respected by people because he knows how to get a job done and begrudgingly people know that he's right. The man can't do no wrong in many people's eyes and as a result he's respected for it. I think the same thing applies to our Dougie, he may sound off but people know what he's saying is right. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm not saying I'm right, but at the end of the day, if AB & DF's good cop/bad cop routine from both ends of the pitch helps then brilliant, and to be honest, his goals to games ratio whilst carrying injury of some scale is good, if we had him injury free I'm sure he would've hit 10-15 goals by now.

 

[GBJ]

graysblue.jr - why does it even matter if people are going over the top in their admiration for Freedman (although I note that once again you ignored my request for you to find a single post from anyone on here claiming that Freedman is "the best player ever" or whatever else you're convinced that we all think that he is)?

Your main point seems to be that he should be getting stick because other players have got stick before him (Gower, Francis, Goater, Harrold and many others). Surely the fans should be praised for not getting on Freedman's back.

Perhaps rather than asking why Freedman isn't getting heckled, you should ask yourself why our fans have previously turned on their own players for committing the crime of not being the best footballer in the World ever who does everything right and who never makes a mistake? And whether the stick that Gower and others got made them into better players?

not really. my point that everyone rates him too highly is proved it the fact that no-one including yourself has mentioned his faults during a match, only his good work, which does not outweigh the bad IMO. and i don't believe one of our players should get stick from the crowd full stop, just wondered why the likes of sankofa, franno walker etc. all get stick for the same things freedman does yet he gets none. im not encouraging hate towards him, just wondering why people use the likes of franno sano and walker as scapegoats, while freedman get off scot-free. it's got to be one of two things
1) people are too scared to give him stick/bad review
2) people are blinded by his career reputation that they don't see his faults, they only see his good bits (like the saying goes "you only see what your eyes want to see"

 

[GBJ]

I think this all comes down to "management styles", some people are fired up by being screamed at, some find it offensive.

It pains me to make a comparison, look at Gordon Ramsey, f's and blinds at those around him but is in the main respected by people because he knows how to get a job done and begrudgingly people know that he's right. The man can't do no wrong in many people's eyes and as a result he's respected for it. I think the same thing applies to our Dougie, he may sound off but people know what he's saying is right. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm not saying I'm right, but at the end of the day, if AB & DF's good cop/bad cop routine from both ends of the pitch helps then brilliant, and to be honest, his goals to games ratio whilst carrying injury of some scale is good, if we had him injury free I'm sure he would've hit 10-15 goals by now.

some good points that i agree with. true if he were fitter then maybe we would have seen him bag a few more. i agreed with the relation to gordon ramsey and believe this may be your best point you have made. i'm the type of person to not respond to kindly to people shouting at me. others would. maybe dougie does this well with some people and they respond brilliantly,but it goes back to the what god given right does he have to tell certain players (the type who don't respond to shouting) what to do. surely thats the job of the captain or the manager. as faras i'm concerned it doesn't matter what he's done in his past, it doesn't matter how many goals he's scored or what he's won. once you cross that line you are all equal. lead by example not by telling others what they should be doing

 

[Crawliano]

lead by example not by telling others what they should be doing

Totally agree. However, one way of looking at it is the fact that maybe Dougie's frustrated by the fact that Franno is actually a great player but he's just not producing come 3pm Saturday afternoon?

Or maybe he just doesn't like him ;-)

 

[Beefy]

not really. my point that everyone rates him too highly is proved it the fact that no-one including yourself has mentioned his faults during a match, only his good work, which does not outweigh the bad IMO. and i don't believe one of our players should get stick from the crowd full stop, just wondered why the likes of sankofa, franno walker etc. all get stick for the same things freedman does yet he gets none. im not encouraging hate towards him, just wondering why people use the likes of franno sano and walker as scapegoats, while freedman get off scot-free. it's got to be one of two things
1) people are too scared to give him stick/bad review
2) people are blinded by his career reputation that they don't see his faults, they only see his good bits (like the saying goes "you only see what your eyes want to see"

You've got it back to front though. The problem isn't that people aren't have a go at Freedman it's that they are having a go at other players. You start a thread in favour of that campaign and I'll be right behind you.

 

[maninasuitcase]

not really. my point that everyone rates him too highly is proved it the fact that no-one including yourself has mentioned his faults during a match, only his good work, which does not outweigh the bad IMO. and i don't believe one of our players should get stick from the crowd full stop, just wondered why the likes of sankofa, franno walker etc. all get stick for the same things freedman does yet he gets none. im not encouraging hate towards him, just wondering why people use the likes of franno sano and walker as scapegoats, while freedman get off scot-free. it's got to be one of two things
1) people are too scared to give him stick/bad review
2) people are blinded by his career reputation that they don't see his faults, they only see his good bits (like the saying goes "you only see what your eyes want to see"

What is he going to do, leave a horse head in the bed of anyone who gives him stick?

You can have your opinion of Freedman, but to suggest that other people haven't agreed with you out of fear is, frankly, ludicrous and IMO you are heading straight down paranoid avenue to madville.

 

[OldBlueLady]

What is really hacking me off GBj, is, as BoyWonder says this is the 2nd time in a week or so we've had this debate on here PLUS we've also had exactly the same debate on SOL and yet you STILL can't accept that you and your father are in a very small minority. :darkcloud:

I know I got into a massive argument before on this which is why I've left it to others this time but honestly, enough now surely, this whole "Freedman is over-rated" thing is like some kind of Groundhog Day!

 

[GBJ]

just did a bit of fact-finding. quite interesting ;

Freedman has scored 5 goals and four assists in total.
but has only 1 goal in his last 9 outings in a southend shirt
in the games he has played we have won 7, lost 5 and drawn 1
in those games we have scored 15 and conceded 14.

so yes i admit, we win more when he is in the team, but then he has played every game barrett has (bar 1) and every game clarke has (bar 1)
but that doesn't make me think we win because clarke and barrett are in the team.
and as the facts state, it's only a small margin by how many we've won compared to lost. this could change over a few more games, or of course it could get better.

 

[GBJ]

What is really hacking me off GBj, is, as BoyWonder says this is the 2nd time in a week or so we've had this debate on here PLUS we've also had exactly the same debate on SOL and yet you STILL can't accept that you and your father are in a very small minority. :darkcloud:

I know I got into a massive argument before on this which is why I've left it to others this time but honestly, enough now surely, this whole "Freedman is over-rated" thing is like some kind of Groundhog Day!

so surely if you don't like it, you know what to do...
i was having a decent debate with fellow shrimpers who are interested in expressing their opinions and views in a sensible way. then you pop up. why? to offer what? yes we've established i'm in a minority. so? who cares? so because i don't agree with the crowd im not allowed to give my view? or discuss this view with others who want to discuss it? what relevence does your comment have? and as for the "enough" bit, who are you to say when it's enough? if some of us want to have a sensible debate (for once) then who's it hurting? what has it got to do with you? surely, for all parties involved, the best thing would be for you to not read this thread, and the people who want a sensible debate continue to air their views

 

[OldBlueLady]

so surely if you don't like it, you know what to do...
i was having a decent debate with fellow shrimpers who are interested in expressing their opinions and views in a sensible way. then you pop up. why? to offer what? yes we've established i'm in a minority. so? who cares? so because i don't agree with the crowd im not allowed to give my view? or discuss this view with others who want to discuss it? what relevence does your comment have? and as for the "enough" bit, who are you to say when it's enough? if some of us want to have a sensible debate (for once) then who's it hurting? what has it got to do with you? surely, for all parties involved, the best thing would be for you to not read this thread, and the people who want a sensible debate continue to air their views

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[Perth Bambi]

ludicrous and IMO you are heading straight down paranoid avenue to madville.

He is going to keep Irate Ian company.

 

[GBJ]

What is he going to do, leave a horse head in the bed of anyone who gives him stick?

You can have your opinion of Freedman, but to suggest that other people haven't agreed with you out of fear is, frankly, ludicrous and IMO you are heading straight down paranoid avenue to madville.

no what i ment was people are too scared to give their true opinion as they do not want to get the grief i have got. i cant blame them because that is their prerogotive. consider me the spokesperson for the minority. and trust me it's more than just a few. i don't care too much for bad rep or people saying all kinds of crap to me. it just doesn't. neg rep me all you want. i've got as much right to have my say as anyone else. just because i go against the grain.

 

[GBJ]

:zzzzz::zzzzz::zzzzz::zzzzz::zzzzz::zzzzz::zzzzz:

just like a camera shutter, click! click! or should that be clique?

 

[OldBlueLady]

just like a camera shutter, click! click! or should that be clique?

Coincidence or not?

http://www.theshrimpers-online.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4468

 

[Perth Bambi]

no what i ment was people are too scared to give their true opinion as they do not want to get the grief i have got. i cant blame them because that is their prerogotive. consider me the spokesperson for the minority. and trust me it's more than just a few. i don't care too much for bad rep or people saying all kinds of crap to me. it just doesn't. neg rep me all you want. i've got as much right to have my say as anyone else. just because i go against the grain.

I do kind of agree with you here and I think this happens because

A) you take the bait too much
B) Who you are
C) You do get a bit abusive, you told someone to shove a book up their jacksey I do believe?

 

[GBJ]

Coincidence or not?

http://www.theshrimpers-online.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4468

errrrm, not really. the only thing i can see is people respecting other peoples views. maybe you should read into it a bit closer. everyone is entitled to an opinion and on these "discussion boards" people are free to air their views and opinions. why can't you understand this? just like i told little boy wonder, just because the minority have different views from you we should be silenced? i don't want to be part of a clique thank you. i'd rather have my own opinion

 

[OldBlueLady]

Just think it's funny that we've now had 4 threads on 2 web sites, both of which have been at exactly the same times in both cases.

Not saying you don't have the right to express your opinion just that to have the same identical argument a week or so apart is very tedious, especially when it's happening on different forums.

 

[GBJ]

I do kind of agree with you here and I think this happens because

A) you take the bait too much
B) Who you are
C) You do get a bit abusive, you told someone to shove a book up their jacksey I do believe?

a) i was only giving my view on this topic. im not taking the bait, i know full well i will be slated, but as i've said it doesn't bother me

c) i'm afraid i'm not going to have someone ridicule me just because my view is different from the majority. i.e
" from your stupid quotes i could fill a series of books"
i wasn't being abusive, i was just advising this poster what he may want to do with his book when he's finished publishing it

 

[Pubey]

Just think it's funny that we've now had 4 threads on 2 web sites, both of which have been at exactly the same times in both cases.

Not saying you don't have the right to express your opinion just that to have the same identical argument a week or so apart is very tedious, especially when it's happening on different forums.

what's wrong with him posting on other forums, what's it got to do with SZ?! I though you regularly posted on other boards... i don't see what the issue is!