A Big Thank You From The Trust

[The Flying Scotsman]

Quote[/b] (Guest @ April 13 2005,09:52)]

Quote[/b] (The Flying Scotsman @ April 13 2005,09:30)]2. The Trains were not run as smoothly as they might have done, however no-one was forced to use them.

"the way to travel" because they "go straight there". .

Are you telling me the trains did not leave Southend and arrive in Cardiff  

 

[The General]

Huzzah. Quality. 1 line and 40+ posts later its still going on. Just off to the chippy for some lunch ...

** munch munch **

 

[Beaver]

Quote[/b] (The Flying Scotsman @ April 13 2005,09:30)]1. The Trust did a good job running the coaches

2. The Trains were not run as smoothly as they might have done, however no-one was forced to use them.

3. The trust should bring up the issue of train problems and stock in the clubshop with the club as it is a good middle man between fans and club.

4. Perhaps, if the dig had been made by someone else it would have been treated as a joke, as opposed to someone with an agenda against the club.

However, how can it be for the good of both club and trust when they both insist upon digging at each other - Quite frankly it just makes them both appear foolish. The trust want a seat on the board - If i was on the board would i want someone to come on board who appears to have an agenda with that very board!! I think not.

PS  - Mike, are you trying to tell me that there was never a "Spread Eagle clique" when you were over here  

1. Thanks

2. True, but they were championed by the club as the best way to travel for the final

3. We do Liaise with the Club once a month. The minutes are published on the trust website & if you read them you will see we are always bringing issues to the clubs attention regarding catering, club shop, shrimpers bar, stewarding, disabled access and so on & so forth.

4. I do not have & never had had an agenda against the club.
If you think that having a laugh about a couple of trains is having an a agenda against the club then that is sad. I have supported this club through thick & thin for 35 Years and do not have an agenda against them and will do all that I can to help them. But obviously having a laugh about a late train is really bang out of order.
I will just stick to slagging of players then seeing as this seems to be OK on this board.

The so called digs about the trains were supposed to be a bit of fun. They were not digs at the club by the Trust. They were my own opinions. I do have a life outside of the trust and am I believe allowed my own opinions.
Obviuosly though if the jokes had been made by BC or The General or True Blue or any other poster in the inner circle they would of been OK.
Where were all of you who take the moral high ground last week, when two unregistered posters were verbally abusing me on this message board. I had no support other than from WS.

 

[sufcintheprem]

Jesus, this thread's really painful to read. Good to see that we finally have something to split the fans again. All that pedestrian winning was really bringing this board down wasn't it.

 

[Guest]

Quote[/b] (Beaver @ April 13 2005,13:14)]The so called digs about the trains were supposed to be a bit of fun. They were not digs at the club by the Trust. They were my own opinions. I do have a life outside of the trust and am I believe allowed my own opinions.
Obviuosly though if the jokes had been made by BC or The General or True Blue or any other poster in the inner circle they would of been OK.
Where were all of you who take the moral high ground last week, when two unregistered posters were verbally abusing me on this message board. I had no support other than from WS.

Stop apologising.

Why not dig at the club. When they do something well tell them so. When they **** up still tell them so. It's not about agendas or inner circles. It is about customer/fan relations and I think not for the first time the club have been found wanting. I also think it appears that not for the first time the Trust has done a first class job with volunteers as opposed to paid staff.

Why should the paid staff often seem to be doing a less than good job? There are often complaints about stadium management, stewarding, catering, shop stock etc. Is it because like O'Reilly, they're cheap?

 

[Napster]

Quote[/b] (Beaver @ April 13 2005,13:14)]Where were all of you who take the moral high ground last week, when two unregistered posters were verbally abusing me on this message board. I had no support other than from WS.

When last week? I didn't see anything, Paul. You should have let me know

 

[Beaver]

Quote[/b] (sufcintheprem @ April 13 2005,13:48)]Jesus, this thread's really painful to read.  Good to see that we finally have something to split the fans again.  All that pedestrian winning was really bringing this board down wasn't it.

Sorry mate - having a bad day.

I don't like being accused of having an agenda against the club I have supported for 35 Years and live & die for.

 

[Beaver]

Quote[/b] (Napster @ April 13 2005,13:53)]

Quote[/b] (Beaver @ April 13 2005,13:14)]Where were all of you who take the moral high ground last week, when two unregistered posters were verbally abusing me on this message board. I had no support other than from WS.

When last week? I didn't see anything, Paul. You should have let me know

It was late one night last week if I recall.

I just forgot about it what with Cardiff & all that.

But people having a pop at me in this thread just reminded me about it.

 

[Matt the Shrimp]

As I said on a different thread, I've stayed out of the arguments on this thread because I do not know much as to why they've started or the basis of the accusations.

But if you're asking for people to opine about Sunday's train fiasco, then IMHO the club has a great deal to be ashamed about.

I don't give a monkey's as to whether or not they had a control over it. If they didn't, then it was a serious error of judgement. They agreed to get into a scheme, over which they had no control, just to make a quick buck. Having then promoted that scheme as the preferred mode of transport, it ill behoves them to turn around when it completely buggers up and say "but we didn't have any control over it."

If they had no control over it, then they shouldn't have got into it in the first place. They should, instead, have worked with the Trust... booked coaches, made (perhaps) a smaller mark-up, but avoid causing the sort of monumental fiasco that we've witnessed with respect to the trains.

In booking trains which they couldn't prevent coming back via Birmingham, the club has participated in a shambles of quite monstrous proportions. The club ought to take a long hard look at itself about that and apologise for its short-sightedness and greed.

Matt

 

[sufcintheprem]

Quote[/b] (Beaver @ April 13 2005,13:53)]

Quote[/b] (sufcintheprem @ April 13 2005,13:48)]Jesus, this thread's really painful to read. Good to see that we finally have something to split the fans again. All that pedestrian winning was really bringing this board down wasn't it.

Sorry mate - having a bad day.

I don't like being accused of having an agenda against the club I have supported for 35 Years and live & die for.

Wouldn't worry about it too much. Can't say I'd be too chuffed if someone said that when I'm prepared to put so much time, effort and money in to the club.

Do find it quite funny that after one defeat, everyone's suddenly really tetchy again!

I blame Kev, personally.

 

[Beaver]

Quote[/b] (sufcintheprem @ April 13 2005,14:13)]I blame Kev, personally.

 

[Bob Cratchitt]

1. If it was a personal dig at the club why was it posted under the Trust login and not Beaver?

2. There is no clique or inner circle, well not one i am part of. I have never spoken to True Blue so it seems abit strange to be considered part of a clique with him, or is it just that he happened to agree with me.

3. I feel that the Trust should be accountable to it's members, and such I highlighted a potential problem, i.e. there is still quite a lot of negativity towards the club, this conclusion was not based on one post at the start of this thread (prior to it being edited) but reading posts on here and on the Yahoo List. If I did not care about it I would not have posted.

4. Yes I do think the trains turned into a fiasco but the sniping about the club running the trains started long before this.

5. The club should also be accountable to us and does need to issue an apology to the fans caught up in the train fiasco, this should have happened straight away, after all it is the fans that provide the money to keep the club going.

6. Playing Devil's Advocate always produces better threads than then the 'my mate of a mate knows X player' or 'I know something but not going to tell you

'

This has given everybody a chance to think and decide on where they stand.

On the result of the posts it appears the majority of active posters and one guest (under different pseudonyms) are happy with the Trusts current perception.

And yes I do blame Kev, as we do for everything around here.

 

[Napster]

Quote[/b] (Bob Cratchitt @ April 13 2005,16:40)]6. Playing Devil's Advocate always produces better threads than then the 'my mate of a mate knows X player' or 'I know something but not going to tell you

'

 

[Beaver]

Quote[/b] (Bob Cratchitt @ April 13 2005,16:40)]1. If it was a personal dig at the club why was it posted under the Trust login and not Beaver?

2. There is no clique or inner circle, well not one i am part of. I have never spoken to True Blue so it seems abit strange to be considered part of a clique with him, or is it just that he happened to agree with me.

3. I feel that the Trust should be accountable to it's members, and such I highlighted a potential problem, i.e. there is still quite a lot of negativity towards the club, this conclusion was not based on one post at the start of this thread (prior to it being edited) but reading posts on here and on the Yahoo List. If I did not care about it I would not have posted.

4. Yes I do think the trains turned into a fiasco but the sniping about the club running the trains started long before this.

5. The club should also be accountable to us and does need to issue an apology to the fans caught up in the train fiasco, this should have happened straight away, after all it is the fans that provide the money to keep the club going.

6. Playing Devil's Advocate always produces better threads than then the 'my mate of a mate knows X player' or 'I know something but not going to tell you

'

This has given everybody a chance to think and decide on where they stand.

On the result of the posts it appears the majority of active posters and one guest (under different pseudonyms) are happy with the Trusts current perception.

And yes I do blame Kev, as we do for everything around here.

As already explained that was toungue in cheek. All it said was for getting the coaches to Cardiff on time and without any diversions. I apologised for that and edited it.
All the other posts were under my monica & were a bit of fun.

But I still fail to see how such comments about a couple of late trains wether my own or in the name of the Trust can cause such outrage on this board when compared to other things that are said.

What I do take offence to is others in this thread saying that I personally have a hidden agenda with regards to the club - far from it.

And yes it is Kev's fault

 

[Napster]

Quote[/b] (Beaver @ April 13 2005,17:21)]And yes it is Kev's fault

That's a given.

 

[The Flying Scotsman]

Quote[/b] (Beaver @ April 13 2005,17:21)]What I do take offence to is others in this thread saying that I personally have a hidden agenda with regards to the club - far from it.

This is my opinion based on what has been said previously and regularly on various other topics about the club. It appears that anytime you can have a dig at the club you do so.

You differentiate between your posts and the trust making official posts. As far as i can see that is neither here or there. As a trust member i am worried that the head bods of the trust (of which you are one) appear to have a negative attitude to the club, as it would surely be better if they worked together instead of tried to point score off one another.

Perhaps you should use your position to try and sort these issues out with the club instead of publicly slating them as this puts them on the defensive from the off. For example, instead of publicly joking about the fact the trains were cocked up, why not speak with the club and get an explanation and hopefully an apology out of them.

 

[C'mon you Blues]

Quote[/b] (The Flying Scotsman @ April 13 2005,17:37)]

Quote[/b] (Beaver @ April 13 2005,17:21)]What I do take offence to is others in this thread saying that I personally have a hidden agenda with regards to the club - far from it.

This is my opinion based on what has been said previously and regularly on various other topics about the club. It appears that anytime you can have a dig at the club you do so.

You differentiate between your posts and the trust making official posts. As far as i can see that is neither here or there. As a trust member i am worried that the head bods of the trust (of which you are one) appear to have a negative attitude to the club, as it would surely be better if they worked together instead of tried to point score off one another.

Perhaps you should use your position to try and sort these issues out with the club instead of publicly slating them as this puts them on the defensive from the off. For example, instead of publicly joking about the fact the trains were cocked up, why not speak with the club and get an explanation and hopefully an apology out of them.

erm, I think you've got the wrong end of the stick. To defend Paul (which probably doesn't need to be done) I don't recall him having digs at the club in his posts to Shrimperzone. The Trust meets with the club regularly and has done so since the John Main days trying to reflect fans concerns from catering, the club shop through to the survival of the club. Paul has played a huge part in trying to get positive relationships with the club which is often difficult.
One of the Trust's strengths is that it reflects all opinions including the fans who are deeply worried about the long term future of the club and the lack of progress of Fossett's Farm and Delancey's involvement. At times we do irritate the club - it goes with the territory.
Finally when we post as individulas on here we are reflecting our views so you can see how diverse they are.

 

[Beaver]

Quote[/b] (The Flying Scotsman @ April 13 2005,17:37)]

Quote[/b] (Beaver @ April 13 2005,17:21)]What I do take offence to is others in this thread saying that I personally have a hidden agenda with regards to the club - far from it.

This is my opinion based on what has been said previously and regularly on various other topics about the club. It appears that anytime you can have a dig at the club you do so.

You differentiate between your posts and the trust making official posts. As far as i can see that is neither here or there. As a trust member i am worried that the head bods of the trust (of which you are one) appear to have a negative attitude to the club, as it would surely be better if they worked together instead of tried to point score off one another.

Perhaps you should use your position to try and sort these issues out with the club instead of publicly slating them as this puts them on the defensive from the off. For example, instead of publicly joking about the fact the trains were cocked up, why not speak with the club and get an explanation and hopefully an apology out of them.

Right - if you can find any post in this lot Beaver's Posts where I have publically slated the club without cause let me know. Because personally I can't be bothered to look. I have better things to do.

Most of my posts are supposedly in jest (but I suppose if you have a sense of humour bypass they aren't).

There are criticisms in there when deserved, but I am not alone in doing that so why pick on me.

One final thing, as a trust member you are more than welcome to stand for office at the next AGM, in fact you can take on my positions within the trust because the way I feel at present I may well just jack it all in.

Now I know how Wiggy & FM13 felt when they were being continually slated on this board.

 

[shoebury_shrimper]

Beaver, as you are in the trust do you have any updates on the Yeovil tickets?

O and are you melissa's dad? Weird question but I used to goto school with her.

 

[Beaver]

Quote[/b] (shoebury_shrimper @ April 13 2005,19:46)]Beaver, as you are in the trust do you have any updates on the Yeovil tickets?

O and are you melissa's dad? Weird question but I used to goto school with her.

As far as I am aware the tickets are sold out.

But I would suggest you contact the club for the official line.

And yes I am Melissa's dad