Paris terrorist attacks

[mrsblue]

which council do you propose moves them on? They are in a different country.......

Calais council maybe ?

 

[Firestorm]

The average person doesn't just appear on the watch list,intelligence by the authorities places those names onto the list.

Yet again you suggest all Muslims ,why would anyone want innocent people not on that list to be locked up?

by the very nature of the British legal system , everyone on a watchlist is innocent. Once they have been proven guilty the are, by and large , removed from the watchlist.
So what you are advocating is a change in the legal prerequisite of Innocent until proved Guilty

 

[mrsblue]

by the very nature of the British legal system , everyone on a watchlist is innocent. Once they have been proven guilty the are, by and large , removed from the watchlist.
So what you are advocating is a change in the legal prerequisite of Innocent until proved Guilty

The British legal system has been a joke for decades,criminals,terrorists,murderers,rapists,child abuse have far more protection than law abiding citizens.

At least one was on the French watch list,you should try explaining your thinking to the grieving families of those murdered.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

The majority on the watch list are also on the no fly list.

So what are you saying? Not all terrorists and murders are on a watch list, people can get false documents to travel on - to stop terrorists travelling you have to end travel not end just migration.
4,000 being watched in France and 3,000 in UK - where did your figure come from btw?

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

The British legal system has been a joke for decades,criminals,terrorists,murderers,rapists,child abuse have far more protection than law abiding citizens.

At least one was on the French watch list,you should try explaining your thinking to the grieving families of those murdered.

Why would grieving families want an explanation from someone on a Southend United fan forum?

 

[mrsblue]

So what are you saying? Not all terrorists and murders are on a watch list, people can get false documents to travel on - to stop terrorists travelling you have to end travel not end just migration.
4,000 being watched in France and 3,000 in UK - where did your figure come from btw?

According to the various media reports ,both figures have never been disputed by the governments.

The recent Bristol Rovers attendance of 3500 ,deduct 500 and that is the number on this country's list,not many is it.

 

[mrsblue]

Why would grieving families want an explanation from someone on a Southend United fan forum?

Yeah I will take the advice of the person who warned me,I am done on this thread.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

One of the problems with social media, (IMO), is that it gives a ready platform for the hot-headed and those with a political agenda to air their views.

I would urge everyone at the present time to stop and think before they post and also to show a bit more fraternité with those who've suffered in Paris.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

According to the various media reports ,both figures have never been disputed by the governments.

The recent Bristol Rovers attendance of 3500 ,deduct 500 and that is the number on this country's list,not many is it.

Just one of the various will do.
3,500 less 500 = 3,000 we can agree on that.


just asking for some measured discussion that's all. This is a bit more important than who plays up front for Southend so asking where information comes from is a reasonable request. There is always a clamour for news with these things and a lot of information hurriedly shared turns out not to be wholey true but the truth has moved to page 7 when the false headlines were in page 1 - if you see what I mean.

 

[londonblue]

Yes, we are going to have to agree to disagree as I still think it's nothing more than self obsession to crowbar yourself into a situation that actually has nothing whatsoever to do with you. Totally disrespectful to those who have good reason to be "distraught".....

I lived in Bahrain in 2011 with my family during the uprising here when people were literally getting shot at the bottom of my road. We all felt a lot of things as did our families back home who were worried but I would hope that none of them came on here pretending that they were involved in any of it, any more than I would have come on here crowing about it.

Let's move on.....

That's a different issue. I was responding to your questioning TUIB's daughter's right to be distraught.

 

[Firestorm]

I do think the disparaging remarks about "loony left" are a tad misguided
The "left" are denouncing a right wing organisation of religous fundamentalist (ISIL) whilst showing no antipathy to other to other races or religions. What is the complaint ?

 

[Smudger]

That's a different issue. I was responding to your questioning TUIB's daughter's right to be distraught.

Well you misunderstood my post then. I called Trolled Up in Blue a drama queen for posting that nonsense, not his daughter.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Distraught???? Did she know someone who was killed in the attacks then?[/B] Your daughter once had a drink in one of the bars???!! Tasteless attempt to involve your family in something that has nothing to do with you. Dramaqueenery of the highest order.

No, but her brother (and his three young adult children) all live and work in Paris.

Fortunately, none of them were directly affected by the outrages on Friday.However,the boyfriend of one of his daughters, (a nice lad who we've had stay here), was at the Stade de France and went into the ground -at the same entrance-just 15 minutes before the first bomber blew himself up.It's fair to say he was directly impacted,I think.

Btw,I mentioned that our younger daughter lived in the 11th arrondissement last year (and will be returning next September) and used the Carillon regularly to meet fr¡ends.She's understandably upset, (as is her Parisian boyfriend), because they both know the 10th and 11th arrondissements well and have friends and/or family living there.

I have only compassion for the people of Paris.I'd ask you to show them the same respect,at this terrible time.

 

[londonblue]

Well you misunderstood my post then. I called Trolled Up in Blue a drama queen for posting that nonsense, not his daughter.

You seem to have misunderstood your own post then. :winking:

He said his daughter was distraught, and you typed:

Distraught?????

That's what I was referring to.

 

[Bielzibubz]

The wife was distraught, not the daughter but hey ho, never mind.

I'm currently wating for my disdraught (French) wife to return from Palermo, (Sicily), where she's been comforting our younger daugher,(suffering from pneumonia),

Sorry but I fail to see why you'd be upset because you knew an area of Paris well. Anyway, me being skeptical won't stop any future posts being high jacked to include something about a certain person, their family or their neighbors dog.

Anyway, I'm now going to spend a few hours mourning the 147 lives lost to terrorists in Kenya and the 48 lost in Lebenon seeing as no one seems to be crying into their soup over them.

 

[Bielzibubz]

I do think the disparaging remarks about "loony left" are a tad misguided
The "left" are denouncing a right wing organisation of religous fundamentalist (ISIL) whilst showing no antipathy to other to other races or religions. What is the complaint ?

I don't think they are. The loony left, or certain parts of it, are all for open borders and mass migration throughout Europe. That clearly increases the likely hood of some of those migrants being ISIS/ISIL members (as proved to be the case in Paris) and thus a foolhardy and idiotic policy that has directly effected so many lives in France.

Argue for it all you like in favor of an open door refugee/migrant policy but that is a fact you can't twist or spin to suit an opinion. Any anyway, they fail to br migrants fleeing persecution and danger when they fail to claim asylum or refugee status in their first point of entry but that's another argument altogether.

 

[callan]

I have only compassion for the people of Paris.I'd ask you to show them the same respect,at this terrible time.

Perhaps then you should put more thought into what you post then if that's true.
There are many victims of terrorism, you and your family don't have exclusivity here nor the moral high ground on compassion.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

I don't think they are. The loony left, or certain parts of it, are all for open borders and mass migration throughout Europe. That clearly increases the likely hood of some of those migrants being ISIS/ISIL members (as proved to be the case in Paris) and thus a foolhardy and idiotic policy that has directly effected so many lives in France.

Argue for it all you like in favor of an open door refugee/migrant policy but that is a fact you can't twist or spin to suit an opinion. Any anyway, they fail to br migrants fleeing persecution and danger when they fail to claim asylum or refugee status in their first point of entry but that's another argument altogether.

More people moving from one place to another makes the odds of their being a terrorist in their number more likely, and a doctor being in their number more likely, and a 20 goal a year centre forward, and a scientist, and a pick pocket, and a road sweeper, and a stripper, and a magician, and a guy that is double jointed in an amusing way, and a teacher and a nurse and and and and

Any large collection of people will include the good the bad and the ugly.

 

[Firestorm]

I don't think they are. The loony left, or certain parts of it, are all for open borders and mass migration throughout Europe. That clearly increases the likely hood of some of those migrants being ISIS/ISIL members (as proved to be the case in Paris) and thus a foolhardy and idiotic policy that has directly effected so many lives in France.

Argue for it all you like in favor of an open door refugee/migrant policy but that is a fact you can't twist or spin to suit an opinion. Any anyway, they fail to br migrants fleeing persecution and danger when they fail to claim asylum or refugee status in their first point of entry but that's another argument altogether.

Mass migration isnt the problem, if they wanted to support isil they would have embraced them as they burnt their towns and villages, without the need to make a thousand mile perilous journey , just to blow themselves up.
The root cause of radicalisation in Europe which needs to be addressed is why are these people being radicalised. Thier families have travelled to Europe to get to a safe haven away from a western socety hating regime, only to find that upon arrival, they are mistrusted, abused, insulted and marginalised, just like they were told by the regime they were escaping. The fair treatment Governments give these refugees is being entirely undermined by the day to day reaction they get from the , so called normal, people of their adopted homeland.
They become disenfranchised and seek solace in their only comfort, their religion, which in some cases has been undermined by the regimes they left behind , and the radicalisation process begins.
Treat people like human beings and they will react accordingly, abuse them, or treat them as inferiors and a small percentage will kick back.

 

[Smudger]

You seem to have misunderstood your own post then. :winking:

He said his daughter was distraught, and you typed:



That's what I was referring to.

No the daughter was being comforted and the wife was distraught - get it right it's very important :winking: It's the amateur dramatics I take issue with not the sentiments if they are genuine.