What are you?

[OneDreweBroughton]

my political beliefs like would be best described as cyber agent provocateur for the BNP - or at least if I was actuallly able to use such long words and if they weren't foreign words cos we don't like foreginers (although despite hating foreigners, er I mean being proud to be English - or is it British cos we are the British National Party, not the English national party - I still wear my foreign designer labels so don't call me racist).

I believe I need to post on messageboards adn try and stir up racial hate. Cos Im clever innit i try not to say things that are outright racist instead i just moan about political correctness and use other coded language and try adn leave things half said so i have an air of mystique (damn another foreign word) with a hint of violence which adds to my reputation i'm trying to fake as one of southend's top boys. if the educated c**ts disagree with me i'll just say something vaguely enigmatic like "you lot just don't know/get it..."

 

[perth shrimper]

Quote[/b] (D62SUBOY @ Sep. 01 2006,22:57)]Whilst I disagree with some of ORM's comments I have to agree with him on a couple of points.
This country, its people and their rights to a freedom to express their views are slowly being strangled by the Guardian reading politically correct namby pamby jobsworths that infest the corridors of power at a national level.
From local government to the highest tiers of our Parliament it eats away on a daily basis at the very concept of common sense and the ways in which we go about our daily lives.

Minority groups rights:
Last month an Afro Caribbean community in south east London set up a creche so the mothers of young children in that community could go to work in the knowledge that their kids were being looked after. Nothing wrong with that I hear you ask, right? ... Well no, not on the face of it. Not until you learn that in the local advertisement for this creche it was openly stated that it was available for Afro Caribbean children only!!
Tentative complaints were made to the local authority by other members of the community but after two liaison meetings it was decided to leave things as they stood. A very good friend of mine was one of those that made a complaint and he told me at the second of those meetings he was made to feel, and was more or less told, that if he pursued it he could damage the relationships that had been built up between the two communities.

Now I ask you this. Would you or I be allowed to open and operate a white British only creche in a multi race area?
NO....but become a minority group and it seems you can.:angry:

Whats wrong with Afro carribean parents having a creche thats culture specific??
If they need that in their housing area..so what.
Black people deserve just as much as any white guy in England whether they were born there or not.

 

[Bielzibubz]

Quote[/b] (perth shrimper @ Sep. 02 2006,14:44)]

Quote[/b] (D62SUBOY @ Sep. 01 2006,22:57)]Whilst I disagree with some of ORM's comments I have to agree with him on a couple of points.
This country, its people and their rights to a freedom to express their views are slowly being strangled by the Guardian reading politically correct namby pamby jobsworths that infest the corridors of power at a national level.
From local government to the highest tiers of our Parliament it eats away on a daily basis at the very concept of common sense and the ways in which we go about our daily lives.

Minority groups rights:
Last month an Afro Caribbean community in south east London set up a creche so the mothers of young children in that community could go to work in the knowledge that their kids were being looked after. Nothing wrong with that I hear you ask, right? ... Well no, not on the face of it. Not until you learn that in the local advertisement for this creche it was openly stated that it was available for Afro Caribbean children only!!
Tentative complaints were made to the local authority by other members of the community but after two liaison meetings it was decided to leave things as they stood. A very good friend of mine was one of those that made a complaint and he told me at the second of those meetings he was made to feel, and was more or less told, that if he pursued it he could damage the relationships that had been built up between the two communities.

Now I ask you this. Would you or I be allowed to open and operate a white British only creche in a multi race area?
NO....but become a minority group and it seems you can.:angry:

Whats wrong with Afro carribean parents having a creche thats culture specific??
If they need that in their housing area..so what.
Black people deserve just as much as any white guy in England whether they were born there or not.

Im not saying they can't or shouldn't. The point I am making is that as a white person I couldn't make a creche, or anything else for that matter, that is ethnically specific without being labled a racist.

ODB...I am in no way racist or color prejudiced. I know many colored and foreign people personally and I consider them all to be good people and friends.
From your comments you are making the same mistake a lot of other people make, ie Labeling my views on PC as being racist. They are not. The two are completely different and I'm sorry you don't see the distinction between the two.

 

[Bielzibubz]

Quote[/b] (OneDreweBroughton @ Sep. 02 2006,14:15)]my political beliefs like would be best described as cyber agent provocateur for the BNP - or at least if I was actuallly able to use such long words and if they weren't foreign words cos we don't like foreginers (although despite hating foreigners, er I mean being proud to be English - or is it British cos we are the British National Party, not the English national party - I still wear my foreign designer labels so don't call me racist).

I believe I need to post on messageboards adn try and stir up racial hate. Cos Im clever innit i try not to say things that are outright racist instead i just moan about political correctness and use other coded language and try adn leave things half said so i have an air of mystique (damn another foreign word) with a hint of violence which adds to my reputation i'm trying to fake as one of southend's top boys. if the educated c**ts disagree with me i'll just say something vaguely enigmatic like "you lot just don't know/get it..."

Nothing like a good, argumentative and reasoned response to a debate. So much better than a slightly veiled accusation of racism and coded language etc.

 

[McNasty]

Atilla the Hun was my great great great grandad , what does that make me ?

 

[southendstrett]

Quote[/b] (mcnasty @ Sep. 02 2006,16:51)]Atilla the Hun was my great great great grandad , what does that make me ?

Attilla the Huns great great great grandson, surely?

 

[McNasty]

Quote[/b] (southendstrett @ Sep. 02 2006,17:23)]

Quote[/b] (mcnasty @ Sep. 02 2006,16:51)]Atilla the Hun was my great great great grandad , what does that make me ?

Attilla the Huns great great great grandson, surely?

Tell me where you live and I will send Uncle Vlad the Impaler to stick a spike up your back passage !

 

[Bielzibubz]

Quote[/b] (mcnasty @ Sep. 02 2006,16:51)]Atilla the Hun was my great great great grandad , what does that make me ?

Technically a bloody foreigner

 

[the dark deshrimper]

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Quote[/b] (the dark deshrimper @ Sep. 02 2006,08:20)]

Quote[/b] (D62SUBOY @ Sep. 01 2006,22:57)]Now I ask you this. Would you or I be allowed to open and operate a white British only creche in a multi race area?
NO....but become a minority group and it seems you can.:angry:

Thw whole reason for establishments for creches like these being set up are because the minority groups cant get into the other creches who will take in mainly whites only. Therefore they set up their own creches and other such places to counter the fact they cant get in anywhere else.

Yet, as soon as these are set up, there is always some-one who wants to come and complain because they cant go in to it, even though there are plenty of other creches avalible!

The reason white only creches arent set up is because we dont tend to face the same problems that minority groups do when it comes to such buisness.

Its time we realised that being a white Englishman (which the majority of people who have posted on this topic are) we are always going to get a better deal in life compared to a single african mother for example. It doesnt take that much effort to try and include people less fortunate, and before i start sounding all patronisining and over the top im goin to stop. But either way its time many people woke up and realised our social group has the best deal in todays England and its about time we started spreading that - ok, its not going to go smoothly all the time, but if we get through such obstacles, then surely the reward at the end will be a more united country, with its bulk of population being viewed with admiration by the minority groups

Sorry but, delusional, misguided and blinkered are just three terms I feel describe your comments.

I'm not going to go on and on about this but suffice to say I have very strong views on the direction we as a free society and this country is taking as a whole.

All I will say is I strongly recommend these two books as essential reading.

The Retreat of Reason: Political Correctness and the Corruption of Public Debate in Modern Britain by Anthony Brown.

and

The Poverty of Multiculturalism: by Patrick West.

That post did make me smile i must say.

I am in no position to comment on how blinkered i am - that would be purely arrogant of me.

However, i feel its fair to say i have a good enough understanding of society to see that what i posted was not misguided - it was simply me posting what many people like yourself fail to understand - we are in the 21st century and its time to realise that.

As for books - dont always believe what you read - a book is written for a purpose and needless to say by the title of your two stated books the purposes are very obvious.

However, for a more neutral reading, i suggest you read notes by marshall McLuhan and Michael Mann

 

[the dark deshrimper]

Quote[/b] (CS J @ Sep. 02 2006,08:41)]

Quote[/b] (the dark deshrimper @ Sep. 02 2006,08:39)]

Quote[/b] (southendstrett @ Sep. 02 2006,08:30)]Hello, I'm white, heterosexual and vote BNP, although I realise this doesn't make me trendy with the Leigh cafe society I was wondering wether this actually makes me a racist?

Careful with your answers now, my solicitors are watching.

Nope not at all - just means you're under the illusion that the BNP is going to benefit our society, as they dress their racist policies up in flowery language to try and hide evidence of their racist foundations.

But the BNP itself could have a whole other thread dedicated to such a debate...however i have work now so cant debate that till later tonight

that;s your opinion..

Oh no its quite factualy i assure you.

Regardless of my opinion on the group, they are unmistakeably racist

 

[southendstrett]

Anymore lefties feel like taking the righteous moral higher ground while were at it?

 

[Bielzibubz]

Unlike my post that amused you I wish I could say the same for yours but unfortunately I actually find your position on this topic rather sad.
That's the problem with discussions on either politics or religion. Those opinions voiced on here are clearly ingrained and deep rooted and no amount of typing and reading, no matter how erudite and concise will make a blind bit of difference to those differing opinions.

I respect your opinion just as much as I hope you respect mine. I would however be interested to hear why us living in the 21st century somehow makes political correctness, in all it's guises, perfectly acceptable.

 

[hexagon_sun]

Quote[/b] (southendstrett @ Sep. 02 2006,21:07)]Anymore lefties feel like taking the righteous moral higher ground while were at it?

I'd rather hear more from ill informed, right wing bigots - far more entertaining

 

[Sebastian Weetabix]

And a bigot is? Someone who will not listen to both sides of the arguement. I thank you.

 

[MrB]

Quote[/b] (hexagon_sun @ Sep. 01 2006,21:24)]niggers and pakis shouldn't have any human rights in this country

That's disgraceful! Freedom of speech and all that but you're just going too far....

 

[McNasty]

Quote[/b] (MrB @ Sep. 03 2006,01:10)]

Quote[/b] (hexagon_sun @ Sep. 01 2006,21:24)]niggers and pakis shouldn't have any human rights in this country

That's disgraceful!  Freedom of speech and all that but you're just going too far....  

Try quoting the whole paragraph please.

 

[Xàbia Shrimper]

I see the closet BNP activists are having their feathers ruffled a tad!

 

[the dark deshrimper]

Quote[/b] (D62SUBOY @ Sep. 02 2006,21:40)]Unlike my post that amused you I wish I could say the same for yours but unfortunately I actually find your position on this topic rather sad.
That's the problem with discussions on either politics or religion. Those opinions voiced on here are clearly ingrained and deep rooted and no amount of typing and reading, no matter how erudite and concise will make a blind bit of difference to those differing opinions.

I respect your opinion just as much as I hope you respect mine. I would however be interested to hear why us living in the 21st century somehow makes political correctness, in all it's guises, perfectly acceptable.

I feel sorry you categorise yourself as a person whos opinion will not be changed by listening to different sides despite how much sense they make. I stayed neutral for a long time on most political and religious topics because i did not feel well enough informed to make a full proof stand.

However, a topic such as this offers little deliberation in the fact that we as a society have grown to become multi-cultural, unlike the start of the 19th/20th century - thus it is time we recognised this and as such made an effort to show the true English kindness and accomodate people who are not used to our way of life (and that does not mean completly drop our own tradtions before you jump on that point) - thus thats why being in the 21st century makes a difference to how we act.

At the end of the day it is pure luck that you and i were born on this piece of land compared to half way around the world in Africa where thousands die in poverty each day. To think just because we were here first, gives us the right to adopt an attitude of exclusive nationalism is pure stupidity.

Its about time we learnt to have national pride as well as a level head on the fact that we have the responisibility to give others the same advantages in life we have

 

[the dark deshrimper]

Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ Sep. 03 2006,09:09)]I see the closet BNP activists are having their feathers ruffled a tad!

im sure they wouldnt care if they were black birds though

 

[J]

Quote[/b] (OneDreweBroughton @ Sep. 02 2006,14:15)]my political beliefs like would be best described as cyber agent  provocateur for the BNP - or at least if I was actuallly able to use such long words and if they weren't foreign words cos we don't like foreginers (although despite hating foreigners, er I mean being proud to be English - or is it British cos we are the British National Party, not the English national party - I still wear my foreign designer labels so don't call me racist).

I believe I need to post on messageboards adn try and stir up racial hate. Cos Im clever innit i try not to say things that are outright racist instead i just moan about political correctness and use other coded language and try adn leave things half said so i have an air of mystique (damn another foreign word) with a hint of violence which adds to my reputation i'm trying to fake as one of southend's top boys. if the educated c**ts disagree with me i'll just say something vaguely enigmatic like "you lot just don't know/get it..."

do you really have a problem or something?

other than liking drewe broughton..