Unfulfilled promises

[number11]

I think nearly 100% of posters would agree that what has gone on is very bad.

What I am querying though is the accusations of people 'not caring' just because they don't decry Ron at every opportunity and are happy to focus on the football. If there was something else going on that would help the situation that I and other posters are not aware of, then do enlighten us as there will be 100's of people happy to oblige and help, but in the absence of anything it seems fair enough that some people want to get what enjoyment they can out of the reasonable bunch who are, currently, giving their all for Southend. If your only action is criticising on this board than that is fair enough and what the board is for, but that doesn't make people who want to focus on the pitch care any less.


It seems to me that the main problem is no clear solution to the agreed problem. Without that I don't blame people for not getting unneccesarily stressed and concentrating on the football.

Well I for one feel a lot more needed to be made of the anti-Ron protests and I know I keep coming back to this but a lot of what has happened seems to have been carefully stage-managed to minimise risk of further abuse to Ron.

His continued silence regarding settlement of what ST & PB are due is frankly sickening. If an agreed campaign of action could be put in place, I would be happy to contribute and deeply involve myself in this as much as possible, but as you understand, current geographical location, takes me a fair bit our of direct action.

I see no point in complaining direct to RM or the club as it will just be once again swept under the carept.

I see no point in clamouring for further blogs/inforation/updates from RM as he's now at a point where he's damned if he does & damed if he doesn't. People either won't beleive any word he says or external factors will come into play and render his latest piece of positive news worthless (then he'll have the backlash of people saying I told you so!)

I 100% agree with various points our learned friend from Elstree has posted above and still cannot muster any desire to be bothered by current events on the pitch. If lower to mid-table in L2 is classed as an "on-field revolution" then it's not exactly the football equivalent to thefall of the Berlin Wall now is it?

 

[porterman]

PS had decided to retire due to ill health, that's why he was out of the loop for a while.

Luggy decided to retire!!!!!!!! In his interviews, he states he has a very mild "bog standard" case of PD. Surely retirement would not have been thought of due to ill health???? You make him sound like an invalid!

 

[superblue24]

I'm not saying that the players would necessary be great in League One, but I think the facts (ie the players' histories) backs up Sturrock's claim that the players are League One standard, far more than they do your claim that none of them are League One standard and some would struggle in the Conference.

Not really. Name one player we own who was a regular starter for a League One side last year (not including Grant).

I'll get you started on Zaaboub.

You can say as much as you like about the manager being the man who has the final say, and that my opinions matter not against his. The fact remains that I don't see a team of players fit for League One. We lost to Morecambe just a week ago!

 

[Local Shrimper]

Luggy decided to retire!!!!!!!! In his interviews, he states he has a very mild "bog standard" case of PD. Surely retirement would not have been thought of due to ill health???? You make him sound like an invalid!

Sorry, I didn't mean to and you are right. But didn't he say this at the Q & A. I suppose even mild PD can make you think its time to spend enjoying your time and garden etc. But I guess he got bored, as he said!

 

[BrettieAngell]

Not really. Name one player we own who was a regular starter for a League One side last year (not including Grant).

I'll get you started on Zaaboub.

You can say as much as you like about the manager being the man who has the final say, and that my opinions matter not against his. The fact remains that I don't see a team of players fit for League One. We lost to Morecambe just a week ago!

So we lost against Morecambe, what the hell does that prove? A few weeks ago we beat Torquay who had a 100% record at the time and had conceded 1 goal in 12 games.

 

[Local Shrimper]

I think nearly 100% of posters would agree that what has gone on is very bad.

What I am querying though is the accusations of people 'not caring' just because they don't decry Ron at every opportunity and are happy to focus on the football. If there was something else going on that would help the situation that I and other posters are not aware of, then do enlighten us as there will be 100's of people happy to oblige and help, but in the absence of anything it seems fair enough that some people want to get what enjoyment they can out of the reasonable bunch who are, currently, giving their all for Southend. If your only action is criticising on this board than that is fair enough and what the board is for, but that doesn't make people who want to focus on the pitch care any less.


It seems to me that the main problem is no clear solution to the agreed problem. Without that I don't blame people for not getting unneccesarily stressed and concentrating on the football.

I think he's requesting action points interpol shrimper. So have you got any?

 

[fbm]

His continued silence regarding settlement of what ST & PB are due is frankly sickening.

I don't get what this has to do with anyone or anything.

T&B have lawyers who will be fighting their corner making sure they get everything that is due.

Why is this our concern? What good would it do if we knew how much they were getting or going to get? And why do we assume T&B would WANT to have their salary and settlement details broadcast over the internet? There are confidentiality rules you know!

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

I think he's requesting action points interpol shrimper. So have you got any?

Yes, I stated one in the post he replied to.

I don't disagree that people should/could still enjoy their football, I've never gone anywhere near saying that. What I do have issues with is the apathetic nature that people are just meekly acccepting our fate. I've put other scenarios about what could maybe happen elsewhere when this came up earlier in the week and there seemed to be a level of agreement to those.

What I do object to is being treated like a criminal on an internet forum by certain people trying to take your voice away because you dare speak out on issues that have needed adressing for some time.

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

Why is this our concern? What good would it do if we knew how much they were getting or going to get? And why do we assume T&B would WANT to have their salary and settlement details broadcast over the internet?!

I never said I want him to say "we've paid ST £45,673.26 and his contract is fully paid up" - all I ask is a slightly more respectful line of comment than the joke of a statement they released 6 weeks ago, after our ex manager was forced to go to The Sun to try and get the wheels moving regarding his settlement.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Not really. Name one player we own who was a regular starter for a League One side last year (not including Grant).

I'll get you started on Zaaboub.

You can say as much as you like about the manager being the man who has the final say, and that my opinions matter not against his. The fact remains that I don't see a team of players fit for League One. We lost to Morecambe just a week ago!

Our current players while capable of losing to Morecambe were also capable of beating Championship Bristol City and holding Premier$hite Wolves. You don't think that our League One players of last season were also capable of losing to Morecambe as well?

Building a team takes time. I'm not sure many would necessarily shine at League One (although given time Mohsni certainly could), but the majority of them look as if they could hold down a place in league one - as indeed many have done at various times during their career. Take someone like Che Wilson: a very limited footballer, but played his role in a title winning League One team. I don't see him as a better player than Peter Gilbert (who I think is one of the weaker lot of the current recruits). Put Peter Gilbert in a team with a Spencer Prior, a Mark Gower and a Freddy Eastwood and they'd be fine in League One.

 

[TravellingBlue]

I think we're just going round and round in circles. We're all here to discuss what is going on with and about our club. I have supported this club for more years than I can remember, and I have my opinions like all of you have. The fact that many of you do not agree with my opinions doesn't matter, they are still and always will be solely my opinions!

And to answer your question of 'what have I done about it', I'll say again I've supported this club through the ups and downs, the thick and the thin of it all - and always will - the only way to get past the recent troubles is to buy the club out and get rid of RM and his cronies - that, unless I win the euromillions tonight just isn't going to happen!

At this moment in time, I detest the malaise that surrounds the club, the acceptance of everything's cool at the Hall and do not agree that we have a squad good enough for League 1 - that's my opinion!

I will still be at every game possible this season and if and when Fossetts Farm ever does get built I will be at the front of the queue to get my season ticket, so I can continue supporting my club and giving my opinions!

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

Our current players while capable of losing to Morecambe were also capable of beating Championship Bristol City

A Bristol City reserve side! Only a few of them players play regularly. You only said the other week that reserve football is a poor standard so in your own theory that should of been an easy win should it not?

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

If we dont get some sort of stadium built soon then we are in big trouble good/bad manager/squad will not make much difference if we get kicked out of Roots Hall.

Ron stated that the stadium work would be started in the summer and it hasnt. There should be uproar about this!!!!

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

A Bristol City reserve side! Only a few of them players play regularly. You only said the other week that reserve football is a poor standard so in your own theory that should of been an easy win should it not?

I take your point that it wasn't all of their first team, but it will have been a far higher standard than reserve team football. Reserve team football tends to consist of youngsters, triallists and players easing their way back from injury, whereas league cup teams tend to be a mixture of first team players and squad players (ie those on the sub bench) with maybe the occasional youngster.

 

[ElstreeBlue]

If we dont get some sort of stadium built soon then we are in big trouble good/bad manager/squad will not make much difference if we get kicked out of Roots Hall.

Ron stated that the stadium work would be started in the summer and it hasnt. There should be uproar about this!!!!

Exactly! That was the point of the thread. Funny, though, how the topic of debate has been diverted by people who (in my opinion) prefer to bury their heads in the sand, and turn it into a discussion about how we should be happy with the exciting team they think we've now got regardless of everything else that's going on (or not going on, as the case may be), and whether the current players are any better than the last lot. Comparing the players is an interesting debate and I wouldn't wish to stifle it, but it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this particular thread. I think what's happened in this thread speaks volumes!

 

[Fairport]

I'm not sure it's a case of not caring, it's a case of moving on, moving forward, and getting on with supporting the team, and what is happening on the pitch for a change.

Everyone is aware of what went before, but I see no point in dwelling on it to be honest - what is gone, is gone.

If we look at the cold hard facts at the moment, we have in place an exceptional manager, an up and coming and highly rated Assistant, and in my eyes, a squad of players capable of challenging for a play off berth this season - Given the doom cloud that we were shrowded in at the end of last season, can we as fans really ask for more than that?

Perhaps I'm being too simplistic, but certainly on the pitch, we're in better shape than we have been for a while, and it's nice to go and watch a team each week giving it their all, and at times, playing some very easy on the eye football.

Is the biggest bug bear amongs the fans the stadium/finances, or the fact Tilly is no longer in charge?

The cold hard facts are that we are in the bottom half of the lowest division having won just 3 matches, two of which were against teams struggling at the bottom. Happy days!!!

 

[EastStandBlue]

Exactly! That was the point of the thread. Funny, though, how the topic of debate has been diverted by people who (in my opinion) prefer to bury their heads in the sand, and turn it into a discussion about how we should be happy with the exciting team they think we've now got regardless of everything else that's going on (or not going on, as the case may be), and whether the current players are any better than the last lot. Comparing the players is an interesting debate and I wouldn't wish to stifle it, but it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this particular thread. I think what's happened in this thread speaks volumes!

If you're going to accuse me, at least have the balls to do it, instead of hiding behind inferences.

I was merely making the point that instead of people "not caring", as you seem quick to label it, about the club, they are merely diverting their energy into the football aspect of the football club, as the continuing struggle is exactly that, a struggle.

If supporting the players we currently have at our disposal is tantamount to burying my head in the sand, then guilty as charged.

 

[GBJ]

Ron has been stupid in the past in making promises where he was not in control of all the relevant pieces of the jigsaw. This is well documented and has been brought up on numerous threads. He has now realised that he should keep his mouth shut unless he can 100% back up what he is saying --- hence IMO the silence at the moment. The one thing he does say (badly) is how complex everthing is. Peroanlly I buy this , even if I hate the way he expresses these thoughts.

To a degree, I can understand that.

However, there's still been no word on the alledged "overpayment" to HMRC. That's something we should never forget, and IMO should be highlighted. Our club almost got liquidated on that day, and why? because we were arguing over something, that as yet, we were in the wrong about....

Maybe those who don't mind Ron would explain how they trust a man, who has almost wiped our club out on several occasions??

Just becasue we don't all sign a 'I hate Ron Martin' petiition every day should not be confused with thinking that everyone is happy. I would have thought this the most obvious staement of the week

I think (and this is only an educated guess), that the majority of people are fed up with Martin, but some simply don't mind if he stays in charge, and carries on "trying to take us forward". A sort of, "As long as it gets delivered, then who cares who's in charge" mentality, which, i'd like to know, how those people can trust him/want him to stay, when he's run us so close to the edge?

 

[Fairport]

Actually, I do wish Tilly was in charge. But that's beside the point. As much as I disagree with the decision to get rid of him (if indeed he has yet been properly got rid of) for a whole set of reasons, no one man is bigger than the club.

For me, it's the way that the fans and loyal servants (including Tilly & Brush) have been treated and continue to be treated. While the club is being run in this way, I'm not at all happy to support what's been going on and just sweep it under the carpet and turn a blind eye. Performances on the pitch are not relevant to my feeling on that. I'd continue to support as I'd done for many years if we have a bad run on the pitch if it still feels like it's my club and it is being run in a way I'm proud to support; however, when the club is being run as it is, even if we would be top of the league, I can't just ignore what's been going on and say it doesn't matter. OUR club represents what we want from it.

Do you not care whether the club's future is gambled with or properly provided for, or about the way it treats people, as long as there are good performances on the pitch?

Dead right, many of us just cannot ignore what has gone on and what is going on now. Many previously loyal fans are boycotting Blues games while Martin runs ( or ruins) the club

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Exactly! That was the point of the thread. Funny, though, how the topic of debate has been diverted by people who (in my opinion) prefer to bury their heads in the sand, and turn it into a discussion about how we should be happy with the exciting team they think we've now got regardless of everything else that's going on (or not going on, as the case may be), and whether the current players are any better than the last lot. Comparing the players is an interesting debate and I wouldn't wish to stifle it, but it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this particular thread. I think what's happened in this thread speaks volumes!

Apologies for discussing football on a football forum. I don't see how the off-the-field issues/challenges/problems have changed since this was last debated, whereas the football has.

For the record, the standard of players was first mentioned by someone who was "anti" RM.