Time to get real

[Southend Elvis]

There's nothing wrong with wanting your side to succeed, I'd hate to employ some of you people who have this 'that all do' attitude, aim higher, are you the same people that want our kids in school sport just to take part. Watford are in the prem, have they spent millions, didn't Ipswich get there.  
I don't boo, but maybe that's a way to show the fans displeasure at certain non performing players.

 

[shrimper_sam]

I don't think people arn't aiming higher but being realistic. We all want the team to achive its goals this season which is to stay up(being Realistic). But when you look at the likes of watford and Ipswich there wage bill will no doubt be and will continue to be higher then ours, until we get a new ground and more revenue. There was 2 games this season that we havn't been at the races thats QPR and Cardiff the others we have deserved more then what we got. Thats why im not booing but everyone has diffrent opinions and people have to respect that. So just because we arn't booing it doesn't mean we dont want the team to achive I would love Southend to be in the prem but it wont happen this season!

 

 

[Einstein]

Quote[/b] (Southend Elvis @ Sep. 27 2006,14:56)]Watford are in the prem, have they spent millions,

Watford were an established Championship side for years and have played top flight football before...!!  Perhaps you didn't mean for your post to sound like you expected three successive promotions, but that is the way I read it.

The only aim for this year must be to survive.  We are punching well above our weight already.  If we survive this season, then I for one would be delighted.  Maybe then next season we could expect us stay away from the bottom and consolidate much earlier in the season with a good cup adding value to the coffers.  And then maybe with added value to invest the season after we could push on for a playoff berth etc.  

If we try exceed our natural growth too quickly, we could quite easily plummet back down to earth and end up like Swindow(plus others).  Two successive relegations from the Prem and a whole heap more debt that could cripple us.  Only need to look at the league table and see where they are now, which shows short term progress does not always represent long term gain.

Significant progress has already been made over the last two years, survival this season will represent further progress.

As for boo-ing element at the club.  If your boss stood over you and said you were crap at your job - would you perform better or worse?

 

[South Bank Hank]

Quote[/b] (Southend Elvis @ Sep. 27 2006,14:56)]I'd hate to employ some of you people who have this 'that all do' attitude, aim higher, are you the same people that want our kids in school just to take part.

I wouldn't go that far but hopefully they'll teach our kids some grammar!

If we can avoid parents telling their children to "f*ck off back the hospital you were born in you useless lump of ****!" if they aren't winning the race/scoring a goal, etc, etc, then I can see the point in your analogy.

Setting objectives is highly important but in order for objectives to work, they have to be realistic. Of course no one is happy with the way we are performing. However, some of us are realistic enough to recognise that we have jumped up two divisions with no magic wand.

Our first objective then - to consolidate in this division!
Our second objective - to push on from there!

We're clearly short on the first one.

I fully expect Tilson to be aware of that, I fully expect him to be doing something about it and I fully expect ALL of our supporters to get behind the team. But I also fully expect to be proven wrong on that last point.

Ah well, can't have everything.
Or perhaps I'm setting my sights too low?

 

[Southend Elvis]

Can you imagine a half time team talk when we are down 1-0, right boys your doing well, keep it going, don't let them score too many, we are already punching above our weight.
Unfancied sides have got into the prem league, without spending fortunes, why can't we be one of them. I'm not expecting us to do it, but I want us to give it a real go.
Why be realistic, lets dream a bit.
I have been trying to sell something for 7 years now, when everyone said don't know why your bothering, I carried on and have now got a strong possibility of a contract, If I had some of your attitudes I would have given up.

 

[Crabby Shrimper]

Elvis, you're spectacularly missing the point I feel.

We all want Southend to win every game. However, we also realise that their's next to no chance of hat happening.

What we're saying is, it's better to set a tough, but achievable target, then to set one that's nigh on impossible. Think about it, you're back at school, and have been told that you need to have an essay written by the end of the week, else you'll fail. Tough maybe, but you've a week to get it done, so it's possible if you work at it. now think about the sam situation, you're told you've got to have the essay written by home time else you'll fail.It's not possible is it? you know you'll never do it, so you know you'll fail, so why even bother trying? Ok, that may seem lazy, but that's the human psyche for you.

Last season, Tilly set the target of staying up, and then once we'd reached the magic figure, the next target was to push on too promotion. It worked! If he'd said promotion from the start, would it still have resulted in us champions?

Had tilly set a target of 80+ points from the off, the danger is some would look at how far there was to go, and panic. By splitting the season into sections (first 51 points, then promotion) it didn't seem quite so daunting.

Conclusion? Attainable targets are good, unrealistic targets are intimidating and counter productive.

 

[fredheim_holm]

Quote[/b] (swanseashrimper @ Sep. 27 2006,16:50)]Elvis, you're spectacularly missing the point I feel.

We all want Southend to win every game. However, we also realise that their's next to no chance of hat happening.

What we're saying is, it's better to set a tough, but achievable target, then to set one that's nigh on impossible. Think about it, you're back at school, and have been told that you need to have an essay written by the end of the week, else you'll fail. Tough maybe, but you've a week to get it done, so it's possible if you work at it. now think about the sam situation, you're told you've got to have the essay written by home time else you'll fail.It's not possible is it? you know you'll never do it, so you know you'll fail, so why even bother trying? Ok, that may seem lazy, but that's the human psyche for you.

Last season, Tilly set the target of staying up, and then once we'd reached the magic figure, the next target was to push on too promotion. It worked! If he'd said promotion from the start, would it still have resulted in us champions?

Had tilly set a target of 80+ points from the off, the danger is some would look at how far there was to go, and panic. By splitting the season into sections (first 51 points, then promotion) it didn't seem quite so daunting.

Conclusion? Attainable targets are good, unrealistic targets are intimidating and counter productive.

Yep, attainable targets make sense, I like them.

 

[Winkle]

Fans on this mesage board need to be under no Illusions about our season in the second tear of english football..... 5th from bottom is not a horrendous season or a bad one, It will be brilliant for one simple reason, the championship is our premier league and to stay in it will be fantastic......some of you need to get real!

 

[Southend Elvis]

I agree with setting targets, but what I'm saying is Tilly prepares the team to win, not to hang on.
I was disappointed when Tilly said after the Cardiff game, that he would be happy with finishing 4th from bottom, I would have expected him to say that after a win, thus keeping the players feet on the ground..

 

[shrimper_sam]

True Mr Elvis but at the same time tilly has to take the pressure of the players you know that sort of pressure you get when you get booed so i reckon that message was more for the fans then the players

 

[Crabby Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Southend Elvis @ Sep. 27 2006,17:35)]I agree with setting targets, but what I'm saying is Tilly prepares the team to win, not to hang on.
I was disappointed when Tilly said after the Cardiff game, that he would be happy with finishing 4th from bottom, I would have expected him to say that after a win, thus keeping the players feet on the ground..

I'd be very surprised if he says to us exactly the same as he says to the team tbh

 

[South Bank Hank]

Quote[/b] (Southend Elvis @ Sep. 27 2006,16:36)]Can you imagine a half time team talk when we are down 1-0, right boys your doing well, keep it going, don't let them score too many, we are already punching above our weight.
Unfancied sides have got into the prem league, without spending fortunes, why can't we be one of them. I'm not expecting us to do it, but I want us to give it a real go.
Why be realistic, lets dream a bit.

Actually Elvis, other people's attitudes are not as far away as you might think. Yes unfancied sides have got into the Premiership but at the same time "massive clubs" like Leeds have set their objectives way too high before coming down to earth with a mighty, mighty bang.

Incidentally, last season Tilly set out with the target of consolidating in the division before building on that and then setting fresh objectives. We're simply doing the same thing.

 

[South Bank Hank]

Quote[/b] (Southend Elvis @ Sep. 27 2006,16:36)]I have been trying to sell something for 7 years now, when everyone said don't know why your bothering, I carried on and have now got a strong possibility of a contract, If I had some of your attitudes I would have given up.

Congratulations on the contract, let's hope it pays off.

If it were one of my sales guys though, the question I'd be asking is how many other contracts they might have won if they'd only focused on the other more realistic and imminent opportunities.

I notice that you didn't win the contract in the first 9 months. Perhaps we should also allow Tilly a little bit of time and not expect him to close the deal immediately...

 

[shrimper_sam]

Quote[/b] (South Bank Hank @ Sep. 27 2006,18:14)]

Quote[/b] (Southend Elvis @ Sep. 27 2006,16:36)]I have been trying to sell something for 7 years now, when everyone said don't know why your bothering, I carried on and have now got a strong possibility of a contract, If I had some of your attitudes I would have given up.

Congratulations on the contract, let's hope it pays off.

If it were one of my sales guys though, the question I'd be asking is how many other contracts they might have won if they'd only focused on the other more realistic and imminent opportunities.

I notice that you didn't win the contract in the first 9 months. Perhaps we should also allow Tilly a little bit of time and not expect him to close the deal immediately...

Well put SBH

 

[Southend Elvis]

But it's a totally different type of contract, something I've invented, this runs alongside my normal job so results don't have to be instant.

 

[Hong Kong Blue]

Quote[/b] (Southend Elvis @ Sep. 27 2006,16:36)]I have been trying to sell something for 7 years now, when everyone said don't know why your bothering, I carried on and have now got a strong possibility of a contract, If I had some of your attitudes I would have given up.

Excellent to see you are fully behind the perservering until it works strategy. I trust you will give Billy Paynter a similar amount of time to prove himself.

 

[South Bank Hank]

Quote[/b] (Southend Elvis @ Sep. 27 2006,19:47)]But it's a totally different type of contract, something I've invented, this runs alongside my normal job so results don't have to be instant.

Even so...

I quit my well-paid job and launched my own business over 5 years ago. Just like Southend in this division, at first it was about survival. Then it was about building on what we had and improving. Now we get to take on the big boys... and we're winning! It has been extremely difficult but eventually we got where we wanted to go.

Hence I don't need people telling me that attitudes like mine don't achieve results.

It's all about attainable objectives and I'm glad we took the Southend United route in preference to the Leeds United one.

 

[fredheim_holm]

Quote[/b] (South Bank Hank @ Sep. 27 2006,20:01)]

Quote[/b] (Southend Elvis @ Sep. 27 2006,19:47)]But it's a totally different type of contract, something I've invented, this runs alongside my normal job so results don't have to be instant.

Even so...

I quit my well-paid job and launched my own business over 5 years ago. Just like Southend in this division, at first it was about survival. Then it was about building on what we had and improving. Now we get to take on the big boys... and we're winning! It has been extremely difficult but eventually we got where we wanted to go.

Hence I don't need people telling me that attitudes like mine don't achieve results.

It's all about attainable objectives and I'm glad we took the Southend United route in preference to the Leeds United one.

Well done SBH, setting up your own business must take a lot of thinking things through and lots of hours!

I bet its rewarding though.

 

[Southend Elvis]

It's all about improving, now if your business lost money when you did it a particular way, and you had other options, you would try the other options to stop your company losing money. I'm not telling you to do anything your not already doing, you didn't quit your job to do something poorly, you did it to improve your lot and do something well.
Southend has options which have worked in the past,because we are losing points and losing points cause's the loss of revenue.

 

[South Bank Hank]

Quote[/b] (fredheim_holm @ Sep. 27 2006,20:22)]

Quote[/b] (South Bank Hank @ Sep. 27 2006,20:01)]

Quote[/b] (Southend Elvis @ Sep. 27 2006,19:47)]But it's a totally different type of contract, something I've invented, this runs alongside my normal job so results don't have to be instant.

Even so...

I quit my well-paid job and launched my own business over 5 years ago. Just like Southend in this division, at first it was about survival. Then it was about building on what we had and improving. Now we get to take on the big boys... and we're winning! It has been extremely difficult but eventually we got where we wanted to go.

Hence I don't need people telling me that attitudes like mine don't achieve results.

It's all about attainable objectives and I'm glad we took the Southend United route in preference to the Leeds United one.

Well done SBH, setting up your own business must take a lot of thinking things through and lots of hours!

I bet its rewarding though.

Thank you. It does have its rewards but I'd still tell anyone thinking about doing it to think twice and then think again before doing so. It's bloody hard work - in fact I'm working now but using Shrimperzone for company!

Getting it back on topic...

Paynter out!
Tilly out!
Brush out!
Martin's cheque-book out!
We want Premier League!
And then Europe!
Why haven't we signed Rooney!?
How on earth did we miss out on Ballack and Shevch....!!?

.... NURSE!!!!