Time to get real

[canveyshrimper]

I realise that this is an open forum, and within the constraints that people are allowed to say what they want on the subject of SUFC, its players, management and the general running of the club.

Let us bear a number of points in mind, firstly this time two years ago we were around 15th in division 4 (forget this championship malarkey) after the previous season flirting with relegation to the conference. We won through that season to deserved promotion.

A year later we surprised everybody, including the most rabid of SUFC supporters I imagine to win the division and gain a deserved title and promotion.

Now we are in the 2nd tier of English football, punching way above our weight against massive clubs who can spend 3/4 million pounds on a player.

We get outclassed by a vastly superior Cardiff team on Sunday, and people have barely acknowledged this, but have just slated our apparent shortcomings. Booing Paynter, saying Clarke is sh!t or JCR/Hammell/Francis whoever is not up to the mark is not the way forward. If anyone thought this season would be easy is a complete moron IMO.

We should be backing our team and management, not slagging and whinging. Remember our success over the past two years and support the team. Yes we will be outclassed in some games that is the nature of the beast and this division. But when the points are added up at the end of May survival is the key, and we must survive to build and establish the club in this division.

I am probably wasting my breath because the whingers will still slag Gutts/Maher/Gower/Paynter etc etc irrespective. But a little thought and consideration before posting the negative sh!te please.

Up the Blues.

 

[HUMBLEPIE]

Well said one thing you missed out on is Tilly is still only a novice manager and probably the lowest paid in the division. He was up against a very experienced manager in Jones who has been very successful in this division. Tilly will get it right like he did in the previous divisions but he needs time and our patience.

 

[Van Whale]

Quote[/b] (canveyshrimper @ Sep. 26 2006,08:53)]We should be backing our team and management, not slagging and whinging.

Too right! All this negativity on here is in danger of driving me back to the work I am supposed to be doing. I know we got kicked in the plums live on sky but all the slating and arguing amongst ourselves makes the 'century united' on our shirts seem a bit hollow.

Keep the faith - we've still got 6 points to come from col u!!

 

[shrimper_sam]

Canvey Shrimper you've hit the nail on the head. People should be enjoying this as we are playing many Ex-prem sides who have the financial backing of millions. We don't, so why not use our voices to back the team rather then thinking i've spent money on this i can tell paynter to F%&K off, that will bring the team spirit down, the same team spirit which got us promoted.

 

[C'mon you Blues]

Great post. This is how it was always going to be this season. We lose against a team that will be in the top six at least by the end of the season and some fans start squealing like a bunch of poncy hairdressers.

Thank God Tilly is is own man and having played for SUFC for so long knows some fans are a bunch of idiots and will just get on with achieving this year's target which is fourth bottom. If we'd lost against Col U or other teams that are going to be involved in the relegation shakeup I could understand it. Keep your nerve lads. it's going to be a bumpy ride. It always was going to be.

 

[J]

why should we.. are we not allowed to criticise?

 

[leeblue]

Of course you can criticise CS especially on boards like this, but booing players and slating them during games is not the thing to do, how can it help, original post is spot on we were always gonna struggle this year but be patient and tilly will keep us up and build for future

 

[sufcintheprem]

Quote[/b] (CS J @ Sep. 26 2006,13:30)]why should we.. are we not allowed to criticise?

There aren't rules imposed on opinions on this site. The post is about self-restraint and judgement. Like it or not, a point a game may be good enough for survival and we're not far off that rate at the moment.

Perhaps you need to angle down your sights of what is realisticly achievable.

 

[canveyshrimper]

Quote[/b] (CS J @ Sep. 26 2006,13:30)]why should we.. are we not allowed to criticise?

I've not said anywhere in my post that you are not allowed to criticise. Criticism of a constructive nature can only be of help.

However constant whinging, moaning and slagging of the team as whole or individuals is counter productive don't you think?

I don't think booing our own players is either funny or clever, but childish and churlish in the extreme.

 

[J]

Quote[/b] (leeblue @ Sep. 26 2006,13:37)]Of course you can criticise CS especially on boards like this, but booing players and slating them during games is not the thing to do, how can it help, original post is spot on we were always gonna struggle this year but be patient and tilly will keep us up and build for future

why not? I bood and slated them.. perhaps it will make them realise they need to improve their game.. more than slightly

 

[J]

Quote[/b] (canveyshrimper @ Sep. 26 2006,13:43)]

Quote[/b] (CS J @ Sep. 26 2006,13:30)]why should we.. are we not allowed to criticise?

I've not said anywhere in my post that you are not allowed to criticise. Criticism of a constructive nature can only be of help.

However constant whinging, moaning and slagging of the team as whole or individuals is counter productive don't you think?

I don't think booing our own players is either funny or clever, but childish and churlish in the extreme.

no i do not agreee..

If i, and let's face it, many others want to boo and slate.. then we can.. it may make the players realsie their not there for fun.. it's a job

 

[canveyshrimper]

Quote[/b] (CS J @ Sep. 26 2006,13:44)]

Quote[/b] (leeblue @ Sep. 26 2006,13:37)]Of course you can criticise CS especially on boards like this, but booing players and slating them during games is not the thing to do, how can it help, original post is spot on we were always gonna struggle this year but be patient and tilly will keep us up and build for future

why not? I bood and slated them.. perhaps it will make them realise they need to improve their game.. more than slightly

...fine as I say entirely your prerogative, but sadly you are sadly very wrong, criticise constructively by all means. You obviously feel that boos and insults are helpful, that's your opinion, but I will bet you would be heavily out voted.

 

[J]

Quote[/b] (canveyshrimper @ Sep. 26 2006,13:48)]but sadly you are sadly very wrong

why does that make me wrong.. ?

 

[C'mon you Blues]

CSJ we're all waiting for your explanation about how slating the players will improve their form. It's an interesting idea which I'm sure you'll be able to prove with a bit of evidence.

Mind you didn't one fan think and say on this very board his early slating of Maher (probably the first 5 seasons) has led to his dramatic rise in form. Don't you just love em.

 

[canveyshrimper]

Quote[/b] (CS J @ Sep. 26 2006,13:51)]

Quote[/b] (canveyshrimper @ Sep. 26 2006,13:48)]but sadly you are sadly very wrong

why does that make me wrong.. ?

IMO it is wrong to boo and slag the team or individuals for being beaten by a vastly superior team. Do you honestly think the players turn up to listen to witless insults and boos? And do you honestly think they deliberately play badly?

If you do you are sadly mistaken, however you are entitled to your opinion however wrong you are. I will also defend your right to say however wrong I know you to be.

 

[J]

Quote[/b] (canveyshrimper @ Sep. 26 2006,13:55)]your opinion however wrong you are.

so having an opinion.. how does that make me wrong?

and do the players turn up to be boood... no

do i turn up to see us lose... no

 

[Rusty Lee]

I dont mind getting beaten by a side who are better than us, but on our day we're as good if not better than Cardiff, and for that reason I find it hard not to be dissapointed in our performance.

 

[Fish]

I don't see how booing on the day helps anyone. That doesn't mean to say people don't have the right to. Players don't turn up to to be insulted and booed (correct); fans don't turn up to see us lose (of course not); I don't turn up to listen to people slate players having a bad day - it ruins my enjoyment and appreciation of the game. Don't I, as a paying fan, have the right to be able to appreciate the game, and derive enjoyment from being able to see good football played by a good team, even if it's not Southend? CSJ, your 'right' to slate the players interferes with other people's 'right' to enjoy the game.

I'm captain of a sports team myself, and I know bloody well that if I turned round to a team mate a said 'you're sh!t' (rather than tell him how to improve, or encourage him to get better out of him) I could rightly expect to be told to f%&k off. Criticism only comes in two sorts, constructive and its' opposite.

Many people have posted on here that we should remmber that the core of this team was at the wrong end of League 2 2 years ago. On that basis we should applaud the players efforts, even when they fall (painfully) short, as they did on Sunday. I agree in principle.

However, there are players who were signed over the summer, who can't be painted with the same 'they've been playing at a lower standard' brush. Of those players, one has stood out as not good enough so far, and that one player is Billy Paynter. I'm not going to sit here and say he'll turn out to be another Kevin Maher, but let's give the poor sod a chance. However, let's also remember that he was bought as a Championship player, from another Championship club, and we've committed to him for 3 years. Therefore, if we are frustrated at the performance of individual players, he's an obvious target at the moment.

That doesn't mean that slating him helps. When he was cheered off the pitch on national TV on Sunday, I could not blame him for thinking 'f%&k them then'.

That's why its important to get behind the team. If we do, that's when nights like the Norwich game happen. CSJ, it's not your opinion that's wrong - Paynter et al were sh!t on Sunday (compared to Cardiff) - it's what you do with that opinion to help change the situation that's wrong.

 

[Murkey_Mouse]

Its best if Paynter sit on the bench for few games, at the same time take him out of limelight, if he come off the bench & score a winner Vs Derby, Iam sure the same fans will praise him as an hero!

 

[N'Zamba Legend]

CS J, one thing is puzzling me- why on earth do you keep suggesting/ implying that you are not  allowed to air your opinion (on politics, football, whatever) on this messageboard?

Everytime I come on this board, I end up having to read pages and pages of YOUR opinions.  I think that even casual observers of this board would be well aware what your opinion is. Exactly who is censoring you?