Tilson talks....

[davewebbsbrain]

its as I thought again, many of you are so far up martins backside you cannot see the truth, tilly is a decent guy who made a lot of money for southend and martin, and as such is worth every penny he is owed, i for one hope that he takes martin for every penny that he has(not that martin has a pot to **** in!!) his own form at the moment of satisfaction is to beat southend on sat. I hope lincoln do the decent thing and refuse the southend board any hospitality on sat.

Blah Blah Blah....same old boring tune

 

[Maldon Blues]

its as I thought again, many of you are so far up martins backside you cannot see the truth, tilly is a decent guy who made a lot of money for southend and martin, and as such is worth every penny he is owed, i for one hope that he takes martin for every penny that he has(not that martin has a pot to **** in!!) his own form at the moment of satisfaction is to beat southend on sat. I hope lincoln do the decent thing and refuse the southend board any hospitality on sat.

Why would this be the decent thing?

 

[Colchester Shrimper]

its as I thought again, many of you are so far up martins backside you cannot see the truth, tilly is a decent guy who made a lot of money for southend and martin, and as such is worth every penny he is owed, i for one hope that he takes martin for every penny that he has(not that martin has a pot to **** in!!) his own form at the moment of satisfaction is to beat southend on sat. I hope lincoln do the decent thing and refuse the southend board any hospitality on sat.

Contradiction anyone...?

 

[blue pilot]

The way I see it... Tilson is CONTRACTUALLY owed money that has yet to be paid to him. The Club / Ron is disputing this and Tilly is threatening legal action. Ron will no doubt hire his expensive lawyers to try and argue his case - if the case is lost the club will have to pay out to Tilson AND to Rons lawyers, can someone explain the good business sense by Ron in this? And what happenned to Ron's comments a few monhs back that 'all' (his words) bil;;s and outstanding monies had been paid, clearly not the case. Sadly, the truth and Mr Martin have never been bed fellows and I doubt never will. I have a feeling that eventually things will catch up with Mr Martin and I suspect we may yet see people other than Ryan Hall connected to our club appearing before a judge.

 

[bazzashrimper]

So, lets take a stance that Tilly and the OS are both correct, then why may there be a dispute? Assume (hypothetically) that Tilly was earning £3k a week here and has been paid up until he went to Lincoln. Sounds fair at first. But say he earns £1k a week at Lincoln - should he be entitled to a £2k a week top up fee from SUFC? Think of loaning a player to save money, the parent club still pays a percentage of the wage. In this scenario RM could argue that he wouldn't have authorised such a deal saying Tilly should have held out for more cash from Lincoln or elsewhere. On the other hand, the real crux of the matter is that Tilson wasn't receiving his wages when he took the lincoln job - so he had no option if he wanted to pay his bills.

Anyway - all that's speculation, I have no insider knowledge on what the dispute may be.

 

[Rayleigh boy]

I don't know what is more disgusting RM ripping him off or a load of people coming on here and spouting a load of pseudo legal bollox in an attempt to defend RM -

PATHETIC - spineless, gutless -

 

[Pubey]

Seeing as the club have made quite a strongly worded statement on the OS, perhaps it isn't the smartest thing to go around on here posting that RM is 'ripping Tilly off'. None of us know the details of the contract so we can only speculate and shouldn't be accusing people.

 

[Swiss Tony]

Contradiction anyone...?

No not really CS,Martini ******* it all.

 

[ibwiajwa]

There was a Southend coach called Steve
Who was forced by the chairman to leave
The dispute over wages
Was dragged out for ages
But I think we know who to believe........

 

[Jam_Man]

I don't know what is more disgusting RM ripping him off or a load of people coming on here and spouting a load of pseudo legal bollox in an attempt to defend RM -

PATHETIC - spineless, gutless -

Your post is as bad as the 'pseudo legal bollox'.

Your statement is based on no evidence at all, we dont know if Tilson has been ripped off as we dont know what he is demanding.

If Tilly wants salary that should have been paid until he took the lincoln job then he should be paid it, and the club say they have done that.

If he wanted his contract to be paid in full then thats a totally different matter.

Certainly wouldnt put it past the club to try and worm out of payments and I would be extremely disappointed if they hadnt paid all salary up until he started his new job. They say they have paid it and Tilson hasnt said thats what he was after.

Until we know exactly what he is claimed and owed we cant say whether he has been ripped off or not.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

So, lets take a stance that Tilly and the OS are both correct, then why may there be a dispute? Assume (hypothetically) that Tilly was earning £3k a week here and has been paid up until he went to Lincoln. Sounds fair at first. But say he earns £1k a week at Lincoln - should he be entitled to a £2k a week top up fee from SUFC? Think of loaning a player to save money, the parent club still pays a percentage of the wage. In this scenario RM could argue that he wouldn't have authorised such a deal saying Tilly should have held out for more cash from Lincoln or elsewhere. On the other hand, the real crux of the matter is that Tilson wasn't receiving his wages when he took the lincoln job - so he had no option if he wanted to pay his bills.

Anyway - all that's speculation, I have no insider knowledge on what the dispute may be.

I thought that whilst on gardening leave, you are entitled to full pay. If you stay on gardening leave and see out the remainder of your contract, then you will be paid till the final day of that contract. If, however, you leave the employment of that company, YOU terminate that contract and irrespective of how much less you earn at your new place of employment, I can see no reason at all for your old employer to stump up the shortfall.

 

[Mick]

I thought that whilst on gardening leave, you are entitled to full pay. If you stay on gardening leave and see out the remainder of your contract, then you will be paid till the final day of that contract. If, however, you leave the employment of that company, YOU terminate that contract and irrespective of how much less you earn at your new place of employment, I can see no reason at all for your old employer to stump up the shortfall.

The other aspect of gardening leave is you get paid regularly throughout, just as if you are working. It appears that wasn't the case at the time and Tilly's hand was forced. Just as the unpaid players could walk away for nought, when they weren't paid.

I wonder if those apologists for Ron Martin's weasel-like behaviour would feel the same if they had been on the end of his somewhat unique approach to employment law.

 

[Medway Blue]

I thought that whilst on gardening leave, you are entitled to full pay. If you stay on gardening leave and see out the remainder of your contract, then you will be paid till the final day of that contract. If, however, you leave the employment of that company, YOU terminate that contract and irrespective of how much less you earn at your new place of employment, I can see no reason at all for your old employer to stump up the shortfall.

Wouldn't have thought Tilson would have been so quick to terminate the contract had he been paid. He has bills too! There is a big case for saying that Martin was the one whi broke the contract by not paying the wages and that puts a different spin on things.

 

[E for B and Billy Best]

It sounds like it could be a case that yet again RM has tied things up legally, but morally correct now that is a totally different matter. If Tilly is right and takes RM on and tips him over then 100% he will get my vote for legend.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

The other aspect of gardening leave is you get paid regularly throughout, just as if you are working. It appears that wasn't the case at the time and Tilly's hand was forced. Just as the unpaid players could walk away for nought, when they weren't paid.

I wonder if those apologists for Ron Martin's weasel-like behaviour would feel the same if they had been on the end of his somewhat unique approach to employment law.

Wouldn't have thought Tilson would have been so quick to terminate the contract had he been paid. He has bills too! There is a big case for saying that Martin was the one whi broke the contract by not paying the wages and that puts a different spin on things.

Agree with both those points actually. Trouble is, as is with most things SUFC related, nobody really knows the full facts, but I'm sure we will in the course of time once thecase has either gone to court or Ron pays up beforehand, because one of the two with eventually happen

 

[Beefy]

I wonder if those apologists for Ron Martin's weasel-like behaviour would feel the same if they had been on the end of his somewhat unique approach to employment law.

And I wonder if those who jump on everything the Club does would feel the same if they were in charge of a dying business whose default position is losing a ****-load of money every month.

Tilly deserves to be paid. Paul Brush deserves to be paid (if he hasn't been already). Last year's players deserved to be paid. Sunderland deserve to be paid for M'Voto. Our catering suppliers deserve to be paid. The Cliffs Pavilion deserve to be paid for that bash they put on 18 months ago. The paper suppliers deserve to be paid. HMRC deserve to be paid. This year's squad deserve to be paid. Everyone who has entered into a contract with the Club and has supplied their goods/services/time/employment deserve to be paid. That has never been in doubt. But if the bank account is empty then how can all those people get paid? It's not about recriminations and finger-pointing. It's not even about studying the accounts and seeing where it all went wrong, it's about managing the pathetic amount of cash we have to play with in order to keep the club alive for as long as possible.

In my opinion, RM has dealt with the Tilly issue horribly. He's an emotive issue for the fans and if he cares in the least about how the fans here view him he'd have been better off honouring his contract, paying him whilst on gardening leave and continuing to pay him until Tilly chose to go somewhere else. Of course that would have meant having to shave 10k a month off of somewhere so something else likely wouldn't have been paid.

One thing is for sure, there can't be many busier jobs around than being SUFC's lawyers.

 

[ooh-andy-ansah]

Very sad watching that interview and let's not forget something, please spare a thought for Paul Brush, they were a management team and i'm sure Tilly would be the first to admit without Brushy the job would have been much harder. They have both been treated very badly.

 

[TravellingBlue]

Your post is as bad as the 'pseudo legal bollox'.

Your statement is based on no evidence at all, we dont know if Tilson has been ripped off as we dont know what he is demanding.

If Tilly wants salary that should have been paid until he took the lincoln job then he should be paid it, and the club say they have done that.

If he wanted his contract to be paid in full then thats a totally different matter.

Certainly wouldnt put it past the club to try and worm out of payments and I would be extremely disappointed if they hadnt paid all salary up until he started his new job. They say they have paid it and Tilson hasnt said thats what he was after.

Until we know exactly what he is claimed and owed we cant say whether he has been ripped off or not.

Unfortunately the club have not said this, the club have said:

'We can confirm Steve Tilson's wages up until the point he chose to become manager of Lincoln City are up to date'.

More mis-information I'm afraid - this tells me that the club decided to stop paying Tilly when they decided that Steve had chosen another job. This is where there will be be the arguement.

 

[Beefy]

Unfortunately the club have not said this, the club have said:

'We can confirm Steve Tilson's wages up until the point he chose to become manager of Lincoln City are up to date'.

More mis-information I'm afraid - this tells me that the club decided to stop paying Tilly when they decided that Steve had chosen another job. This is where there will be be the arguement.

Unless you know somethnig that we don't (and fair play if so) then I think that that is more of a case of you reading too much into that line. The dispute seems more to do with legal fees and the fact that the Club weren't paying Tilly during his gardening leave - essentially forcing him to take the Lincolnn job on (presumably) less money that he was supposed to be on here.

The wording of that sentence seems to be emphasising the point that Tilly chose to leave his SUFC contract rather than quibbling over the precise timing of that decision.

 

[Blonde Shrimper]

The OS statement is quite cleverly worded as it states that all Tilly's wages are paid up-to-date prior to him taking the Lincoln job.

What Tilly is claiming is compensation for being dismissed. These are 2 separate issues and very clever PR from the Club.

Personally, I think this is a distraction that we don't need before a game that could get us closer to the play offs. Its all about 3 points tomorrow.