Tilson talks....

[Badger74]

Well who do you believe? Tilly or Honest Ron ?

The tone of the response is uncalled for too.

honest Ron of course we all believe every word he says

 

[Dick Bate's Protege]

Well who do you believe? Tilly or Honest Ron ?

The tone of the response is uncalled for too.

I thought the same. You'd never imagine, based on that, that Tilson was one of our greatest and most popular managers.

 

[Cricko]

interesting....
IF what is said on the OS is true, then well done Ron for handling it. I suspect this may be down to the difference between "gardening leave" and sacking. If we paid Tilly his basic salary up until when he joined Lincoln (or as the OS says he CHOSE to join Lincoln) then they will say why should they pay him to the end of his contract.

Obviously in football the custom and practice seems to be to pay up a contract (or an agreed proportion) when a manager leaves "by mutual consent" and this is probably where the dispute lies.

Personally, legend or no legend I do not wish to pay Tilly scarce SUFC funds for wages after he has started to draw a salary from another employer.

I am staggered by that comment....you cannot surely mean it? The man is a Joke IMO..

 

[EastStandBlue]

The tone of the response is uncalled for too.

Is it, though? If what the club report is, indeed, true (and I'm not for one moment categorically stating so, I haven't the foggiest) then the club are responding to purposefully inflammatory remarks made two days before the teams meet.

One thing's for sure, is that somebody's wrong and the consequent rows could get ugly.

 

[GBJ]

I remember the statement, and countless proclamations, that we'd overpaid HMRC and we were right, they were wrong etc etc.

How did that turn out?

Did we ever get that money back?

 

[GBJ]

One thing's for sure, is that somebody's wrong and the consequent rows could get ugly.

Not the first time our club's been involved with something of this nature, which does them no favours.

 

[Shrimpergonzo]

I do mean it - I am by no means a "Ron lover" or supporter, and consider much of his tenure to have been a disaster - but judge each action on its merits.

I used the biggest "IF" the forum will allow, so please judge the rest of my comment in the light of that. As Mick rightly says we don't know the full facts so it is just conjecture.

My comment was really around the fact that the way that the severance of manager's contracts are typically handled in football is potentially crippling for smaller clubs and we need to find a better way that is fairer for both parties. It seems that Ron has tried a different route with Tilly and it seems to be fair.

As far as I understand it (and my comment is based on my understanding so bare with me please!)

The board decided we needed a change of manager (I'm not debating the rights and wrongs of this)
Instead of agreeing a severance package with Tilly, they continued to employ him until such time as he got offered another job. At which point he had to hand in his notice and they stopped paying him.

My comment was simply that this seems a better way of doing things than paying someone (let's leave personalities out of this) a huge lump sum and them picking up another job straight away. Obviously the ball is still in the manager's court as they can choose to sit tight and pick up the wages for doing nothing until the end of their contract. If they choose not too, then that's their decision.

I don't know who is telling the truth here, but IF it is the club, and Tilly is just posturing because he didn't get a lump sum or his whole contract paid up in full like some other managers do, then I think the club may have come up with a better operating model than football has used previously, that is all.

IF however Tilly's wages were not paid on time during his gardening leave period then that is sharp practice by the club and they are wrong to come over all holier than thou on the website.

As Mick says, we'll probably never know the truth, unless of course someone's mate's dad is having a quick 9-holes with Tilly before the game and is going to post the conversation on here!

 

[Tinks]

Always something brewing with RM
Who knows what the hell goes on down there and judging by the turmoil we have gone through recently I think the only person who truely knows does not give one ioato about anyone else or any of our feelings regarding our club

 

[Cricko]

The board decided we needed a change of manager (I'm not debating the rights and wrongs of this)
Instead of agreeing a severance package with Tilly, they continued to employ him until such time as he got offered another job.

Sorry this is the bit you have lost me on....What board and who are they?...No disrespect but you seem to think they run a democracy at the club and not a dictatorship.

 

[Medway Blue]

"What is correct is any communication from Steve Tilson or his representatives have been responded to in a quick and timely manner. "

Indeed.........with a brusque request that Tilson pay the legal fees that the club has incurred!

 

[Fairport]

It's the usual trick of disputing almost every deal/negotiation, then not paying the individual or organization until they sue through the courts or use lawyers. Then hope to settle for an amount less than what was due. It's an old trick persued by dozens of shady characters in business these days. The reputation of our club is sinking faster than the Titanic.
I am sick of this regime. RM (allegedly) has an asset worth £5million (land in Benfleet used as security to Sainsburys) Why couldnt he have dipped into some of this via a loan and paid the players on time last season and also retained an excellent manager and coach. Our Division 1 status would have been retained and we would have avoided the revenue losses that Division 2 football brings. Sure, the wage bill needed trimming, but we would still have had Tilly in charge and he could be trusted to revamp the squad with decent signings.

 

[Cockle43]

Well, as usual, nothing can be straightforward.

However two things are certain; one of the parties is wrong; and, the lawyers are going to get richer, again.

Must say that I'm impressed by the speed of the Club's response, if only they were so quick to clarify other matters....... Mind you Ron's not about today, it was mentioned in Court earlier today that he wasn't there because he was in Edinburgh on business.

 

[Jam_Man]

Steve Tilson should be paid every penny owed in salary up to when he started the Lincoln job.

If this is all he is asking for then he should not be expected to pay any of our legal fees.

If however he is asking to be paid for the remainder of his contract and we are incurring costs to reject that then thats fair enough.

So question is what is Tilson actually claiming ?

If he just wants salary up to when Lincoln started paying him then we should pay up.

 

[rlb999]

I think this could get complicated. From the way I read it...

MARTIN will argue that Tilson was on gardening leave and as such not eligible to take a position with another club. As such Martin's obligation to Tilson ended when Tilson took the Lincoln job, as Tilson broke his contract.

TILSON will argue that Martin didn't pay him during the gardening leave period. As such Tilson was forced to take another job to get some income, and it was Martin that really broke the contract first by not paying.

How a court will see it, god only knows.

 

[McNasty]

I think this could get complicated. From the way I read it...

MARTIN will argue that Tilson was on gardening leave and as such not eligible to take a position with another club. As such Martin's obligation to Tilson ended when Tilson took the Lincoln job, as Tilson broke his contract.

TILSON will argue that Martin didn't pay him during the gardening leave period. As such Tilson was forced to take another job to get some income, and it was Martin that really broke the contract first by not paying.

How a court will see it, god only knows.

Very expensively, probably.

 

[Streaky]

Disapointed in Tilly that he has decided to go down this root in the build up of the game, thought he would be bigger than that

 

[Mick]

I think this could get complicated. From the way I read it...

MARTIN will argue that Tilson was on gardening leave and as such not eligible to take a position with another club. As such Martin's obligation to Tilson ended when Tilson took the Lincoln job, as Tilson broke his contract.

TILSON will argue that Martin didn't pay him during the gardening leave period. As such Tilson was forced to take another job to get some income, and it was Martin that really broke the contract first by not paying.

How a court will see it, god only knows.

It seems to have been well documented that Tilly was not paid in a "quick and timely" manner throughout his gardening leave (although he may now, as the club say, have been paid up to the date of starting at Lincoln). I would have thought the terms of the gardening leave contract were broken by non or late payment and I would be very surprised if Tilly doesn't have a strong case for claiming the remainder of his contract, less what he has earnt at Lincoln during that period. And good luck to him.

 

[Mick]

Disapointed in Tilly that he has decided to go down this root in the build up of the game, thought he would be bigger than that

That's the time he'll get greatest visibility for his plight.

 

[CAPTAIN BIRDSEYE]

its as I thought again, many of you are so far up martins backside you cannot see the truth, tilly is a decent guy who made a lot of money for southend and martin, and as such is worth every penny he is owed, i for one hope that he takes martin for every penny that he has(not that martin has a pot to **** in!!) his own form at the moment of satisfaction is to beat southend on sat. I hope lincoln do the decent thing and refuse the southend board any hospitality on sat.

 

[Jam_Man]

its as I thought again, many of you are so far up martins backside you cannot see the truth, tilly is a decent guy who made a lot of money for southend and martin, and as such is worth every penny he is owed, i for one hope that he takes martin for every penny that he has(not that martin has a pot to **** in!!) his own form at the moment of satisfaction is to beat southend on sat. I hope lincoln do the decent thing and refuse the southend board any hospitality on sat.

Who is saying Tilson shouldnt get what he is owed?!?!?

Some people are so full of hate and bitterness they think they need to create a mythical enemy on this board.