This has to end…

[Suffolk Shrimper In Dorset]

agree with prodigal.

if it was us in same situation as norwich we would have done the same.

and it helps create an atmosphere like what 65 die hards from shrewsbury could never deliver, so what would the moaners prefer?

plus i think it is only right home fans sitting is more ridgidly enforced. Imagine if you are a 70 year old (not me by the way...yet) die hard who has been following SUFC thro' thick n thin for the last 50 plus years, standing even if you wanted is not your thing now so you pay for and take your seat to enjoy the game. Yep, you maybe stand up when we score or when the BlueBelles come on but at 70 its all you can comfortably manage. You then get 20 stone over weight Mr Yob-Youth stand up in front of you all the time, surfacing at roots following the recent success and wanting to show all that he can stanbe on his pegs for long periods even with the weight he is carrying. Sit down and get on with it.

Well, that's what i say.

Up the Blues

 

[* ORM *]

Quote[/b] (Suffolk Shrimper @ Sep. 13 2006,23:01)]Yep, you maybe stand up when the BlueBelles come on but at 70 its all you can comfortably manage.

If I manage to "stand up" when the Bluebelles come on at 70 years of age I'll be happy.

 

[Badger74]

I do belive we do have the worst stewards in the country

enough said

 

[Prodigal Son]

Quote[/b] (wardy @ Sep. 14 2006,08:30)]I do belive we do have the worst stewards in the country

enough said

wrong

 

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] ]I do belive we do have the worst stewards in the country enough said

I take it you're not going to Luton then?!

Having travelled around England for many years following the Shrimpers, I can safely say that your statement is b******s!

I think people are getting somewhat carried away with this. Stewards are there not only to ensure that the ground regulations are enforced, but also to ensure YOUR safety whilst within the football ground. We had many debates over the years about away fans standing, arguments which hold very little water when the next away game arrives and hundreds of Shrimpers try stand for the entire game. It happens. Get used to it. It has already been pointed out that it easier to enforce these regulations on home fans simply because of their regular attendance at Roots Hall. If you persistently stand up during games, you are in danger of being ejected and banned. You may not like it but that is the plain truth. It's not a new concept, it's been in the ground regulations ever since the ground morphed into an all-seater stadium and Government legislation makes it quite clear that you are not allowed to stand at all-seater football grounds. The authorities don't get two hoots about whether sitting destroys the atmosphere, they have decreed that standing in seating areas in dangerous. Yes, the stewards and security staff at Southend United should make sure that this is applied to the away contingent as well. But they aren't, as Technician has explained above. So live with it.

 

[Technician]

Stewards: Yellow Jackets
yellow jackets check your ticket, show you to your seat, provide any other assistance, observe and remain basically anonymous in the background throughout the game.

Steward Supervisors: White Jackets
white jackets ensure the yellow jackets are active in the tasks they are expected to perform.

Security: Orange Jackets (Mostly Matrix)
orange jackets kick your arse when you don't do as you are told.

When folk say that OUR "stewards" are the worst in the country, I really wonder whether it is stewards they are talking about.

If the yellow jackets are getting flack for the reputation generated by the orange jackets, would you honestly call that fair?

NO!!! I DIDN'T THINK SO!!!

PLEASE ENGAGE BRAIN BEFORE PUTTING MOUTH/KEYBOARD* INTO GEAR.

* Delete as applicable

 

[Prodigal Son]

Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ Sep. 14 2006,08:59)]

Quote[/b] ]I do belive we do have the worst stewards in the country  enough said

I take it you're not going to Luton then?!

Having travelled around England for many years following the Shrimpers, I can safely say that your statement is b******s!

I think people are getting somewhat carried away with this. Stewards are there not only to ensure that the ground regulations are enforced, but also to ensure YOUR safety whilst within the football ground. We had many debates over the years about away fans standing, arguments which hold very little water when the next away game arrives and hundreds of Shrimpers try stand for the entire game. It happens. Get used to it. It has already been pointed out that it easier to enforce these regulations on home fans simply because of their regular attendance at Roots Hall. If you persistently stand up during games, you are in danger of being ejected and banned. You may not like it but that is the plain truth. It's not a new concept, it's been in the ground regulations ever since the ground morphed into an all-seater stadium and Government legislation makes it quite clear that you are not allowed to stand at all-seater football grounds. The authorities don't get two hoots about whether sitting destroys the atmosphere, they have decreed that standing in seating areas in dangerous. Yes, the stewards and security staff at Southend United should make sure that this is applied to the away contingent as well. But they aren't, as Technician has explained above. So live with it.

Well said.

I repeat, why can't you walk in, sit down and watch and sing and cheer when you want to? It works in my part of the West Stand.

The atmosphere and the football on offer is probably the best ever but this board consists of lots of people always always on the edge of conflict, one word out of place by one fan in a crowd of 9,000 and the stewards are meant to rightr the wrongs of the world.

I repeat, in respect of away fans, do you want security/stewards to wade into the away end.

We have a pretty good reputation on and off the pitch home and away, let's keep it that way.

 

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Technician @ Sep. 14 2006,10:10)]Security: Orange Jackets (Mostly Matrix)
orange jackets kick your arse when you don't do as you are told.

... which is probably the biggest whinge from the "s'not fair" brigade; they refuse to co-operate with the stewards, continue to stand up, most probably in the wrong seats, and then scream "foul" when the security is called because the stewards have reached the end of their tether (so to speak). I don't think many people can grumble ... your entrance ticket does not entitle you to a free-rein inside the stadium; condition on entry is applicable to the ground regulations - if you don't abide by them, you'll get aggro from the stewards / security staff. Simple as. Don't worry about the away fans (and the fact that 2,000 gathered together in one stand makes more noise than, say, 2,000 spread around the other three sides; sounds like a geometry question). Worry about getting your own house in order first ...

 

[CSWICKFORDSHRIMPER]

I reckon we must be getting right on the pitch...

Hey let the away fans stand it makes a bitter atmosphere and WE must try harder

We Sing we stand up, after singing sit down… then get up and sing again. stand up and down up and down … when approached always say yes I will stay seated with a massive smile and shake the steward hand it always works the stewards lose interest asking u to stay seated after a couple of times and leave u alone… Always Be VERY FRIENDLY

It always works….


What great times to be a SHRIMPER  South East ESSEX is BUZZING

One Team In Essex
SOUTHEND UNITED FC

 

[Shrimper till i die]

Quote[/b] ]I repeat, in respect of away fans, do you want security/stewards to wade into the away end.

yes - why the hell not?

It just seems that the advantage of playing at home is lost when you have 2,000 odd away fans standing up and singing their hearts out for 90 min.

Yes we did create a lot of noise and really got behind the boys in the last 20 minutes of the game on Tuesday but that ‘fortress hall’ atmosphere should be felt from kick off instead of waiting for the game to get exciting or if we score.

Surely you can see my point, we’ll go to west brom at the weekend and be shot for standing up, yet come Tuesday it wont even be as much as suggested to Brighton to sit. Why are we not as tough?

Ignoring the problem is not a solution. Get in there warn them that if they don’t sit they’ll be ejected – then stand by your word if they don’t sit. Who cares what happens outside its now the police’s problem. If I was in a bar drunk and started ****ing people off I would be chucked out despite me then posing a threat to people outside. Brake the rules you’re out. Word would soon get around to other clubs that Southend were getting tough and would strongly advise not standing.

Its just very frustrating and difficult getting songs going whilst seated and allowing the away to stand is shooting ourselves in the foot.

This season we need more than ever to continue our form at the hall and if all the boys can hear is the away fans it cant be doing them any good. Each team we have played at home have all commented on how quite we are.

Looking at it in from another angle – if getting the away to sit is impossible - in all seriousness once a stadium is made all seated is there no way back due to rulings? The idea of a block in the west made into a terrace would seem to solve some issues.

 

[maldonblue]

I think you've got to make STID right here, I agree. Although a terrace in the West Stand would be good, its hardly worth mentioning as it would never happen in a million years!

When I go to Roots Hall and stand up at the beginning of the match im asked to sit down (which i then do as thats what im supposed to do in an all-seater stadium), im not standing in anyones way therefore not obstructing anyones view and doing no harm to anyone. Just watching and enjoying the match (most of the time!).

So why cant they tell these Norwich fans to sit down? Its not just because of the large number - I remember Chesterfield at home last year they must have brought around 60 supporters but a few of them stood for 90 minutes! Why were they allowed to and not me?

Im not bothered that they will make more noise than us because most teams supporters will especially with the acoustics in that stand.

Just want the Club to follow the rules and regulations of all-seater stadia to all persons inside the ground. It really should'nt be difficult.

 

[CSWICKFORDSHRIMPER]

Quote[/b] (maldonblue @ Sep. 14 2006,12:01)]I think you've got to make STID right here, I agree. Although a terrace in the West Stand would be good, its hardly worth mentioning as it would never happen in a million years!

When I go to Roots Hall and stand up at the beginning of the match im asked to sit down (which i then do as thats what im supposed to do in an all-seater stadium), im not standing in anyones way therefore not obstructing anyones view and doing no harm to anyone. Just watching and enjoying the match (most of the time!).

So why cant they tell these Norwich fans to sit down? Its not just because of the large number - I remember Chesterfield at home last year they must have brought around 60 supporters but a few of them stood for 90 minutes! Why were they allowed to and not me?

Im not bothered that they will make more noise than us because most teams supporters will especially with the acoustics in that stand.

Just want the Club to follow the rules and regulations of all-seater stadia to all persons inside the ground. It really should'nt be difficult.

The X Block in the West would make a nice little Standing Area, dividing walls are all ready there, plus would add another 1000 on the capacity….. Just pull up the 500 or so seats.. Then everyone’s happy…. The Atmosphere would be electric and so loud

But we can only dream

One Team In Essex
Southend United FC

 

[Shrimper till i die]

Quote[/b] ]Although a terrace in the West Stand would be good, its hardly worth mentioning as it would never happen in a million years!

As CSWICKFORD pointed out that wall is already nicely positioned to separate a potential terrace. Genuinely cant see why this couldn’t be done unless there are some sort of legislations that would stand in the way after making a stadium all seated – but if there wasn’t who would object?

The cost to rip up the seats would surely be made up on the first game with all the extra people that could then fit in that block. It would also accommodate some of the extra support until/if we ever move. As much as the sell out on Tuesday is great from a business point of view the mind can now only wonder how much potential support we are turning away.

Turning block X into a standing area would also ensure that all the people passionate about singing be all together .

Would love to hear peoples arguments as to why turning block X in the West would be a bad idea – I cant see one.

 

[Prodigal Son]

Quote[/b] (Shrimper till i die @ Sep. 14 2006,11:36)]

Quote[/b] ]I repeat, in respect of away fans, do you want security/stewards to wade into the away end.

yes - why the hell not?

It just seems that the advantage of playing at home is lost when you have 2,000 odd away fans standing up and singing their hearts out for 90 min.

Yes we did create a lot of noise and really got behind the boys in the last 20 minutes of the game on Tuesday but that ‘fortress hall’ atmosphere should be felt from kick off instead of waiting for the game to get exciting or if we score.

Surely you can see my point, we’ll go to west brom at the weekend and be shot for standing up, yet come Tuesday it wont even be as much as suggested to Brighton to sit. Why are we not as tough?

Ignoring the problem is not a solution. Get in there warn them that if they don’t sit they’ll be ejected – then stand by your word if they don’t sit. Who cares what happens outside its now the police’s problem. If I was in a bar drunk and started ****ing people off I would be chucked out despite me then posing a threat to people outside. Brake the rules you’re out. Word would soon get around to other clubs that Southend were getting tough and would strongly advise not standing.

Its just very frustrating and difficult getting songs going whilst seated and allowing the away to stand is shooting ourselves in the foot.

This season we need more than ever to continue our form at the hall and if all the boys can hear is the away fans it cant be doing them any good. Each team we have played at home have all commented on how quite we are.

Looking at it in from another angle – if getting the away to sit is impossible - in all seriousness once a stadium is made all seated is there no way back due to rulings? The idea of a block in the west made into a terrace would seem to solve some issues.

I respect opinions on here, but would be intrigued to know your age? All this frustration about songs and giving up home advantage,and suggesting we send security wading in would just cause trouble.

If we want to maximise home advantage it's more about having multi-ball systems and well trained ball boys, watering pitches at half-time,etc. And I am not suggesting that.

You don't like the fact that you think we were outsung. So what?

You want a few men in coloured jackets on £20 a match to sort it out.

We have been noisier at Palace,QPR and Leicester, it's what happens .

You say we are ignoring the problem what problem?

 

[sufcintheprem]

The debate on having a standing area is a well trodden path on this board even at much lower levels than we are now and it has never ever come through with a positive response. There are far too many obstacles. I would be surprised, no, astounded if anyone came up with any idea, reasoning or solution that has not been covered already.

I doubt most people who feel strongly about this can be bothered to go down this path again so you may be better searching old topics in this forum instead.

Don't get me wrong. In principal I have been and still would be all for it but the likelihood is negligible.

 

[maldonblue]

Quote[/b] (Shrimper till i die @ Sep. 14 2006,12:29)]

Quote[/b] ]Although a terrace in the West Stand would be good, its hardly worth mentioning as it would never happen in a million years!

As CSWICKFORD pointed out that wall is already nicely positioned to separate a potential terrace. Genuinely cant see why this couldn’t be done unless there are some sort of legislations that would stand in the way after making a stadium all seated – but if there wasn’t who would object?

The cost to rip up the seats would surely be made up on the first game with all the extra people that could then fit in that block. It would also accommodate some of the extra support until/if we ever move. As much as the sell out on Tuesday is great from a business point of view the mind can now only wonder how much potential support we are turning away.

Turning block X into a standing area would also ensure that all the people passionate about singing be all together .

Would love to hear peoples arguments as to why turning block X in the West would be a bad idea – I cant see one.

Dont get me wrong I would love this to happen and would certainly be in there as often as possible but I know what the club are like.

Would'nt know if there are any legislations or not but if there isnt it would boil down to one of them things where the club NEED to know there is enough genuine interest from the supporters before they start anything.

I can just see it now though would be fcukin awesome....

 

[Up the Shrimpers]

I probably won't be the first to mention it but, once a ground is made all seater no part of it can be turned back to standing.(unless we go out of the Football League we might be allowed to then

)

 

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Shrimper till i die @ Sep. 14 2006,13:29)]Would love to hear peoples arguments as to why turning block X in the West would be a bad idea – I cant see one.

I can. It can't be done. I have written confirmation from the Football Licensing Authority that it can't be done. Is that a decent enough argument?

 

[Shrimper till i die]

Quote[/b] ]You want a few men in coloured jackets on £20 a match to sort it out.

Yes I do, we have to abide by rules on away days why should they at the hall

Quote[/b] ]You say we are ignoring the problem what problem?

The problem of the away fans breaking the rules. Rules state you have to sit in an all seater stadium – Roots Hall is an all seated stadium. We sit, they don’t. The problem escalates as because of their allowance to stand they can create far more noise and support than us. I appreciate that they also have everyone in one place and they are in the best stand acoustically BUT you cant deny that standing contributes a great deal.

Quote[/b] ]would be intrigued to know your age

im 22 and cant see any relevance, you either come to football wanting to create a wicked atmosphere and really get behind the boys or you sit back and enjoy the game. I respect both. It has nothing to do with age, just horses for courses. My suggestion on turning block X into a standing area would ensure both types of fans get what they come to football for.

 

[MK Shrimper]

I think the Taylor Report made it obligatory for all grounds to be all seated.