The EU Referendum

[steveo]

I don't think I've heard this said in relation to anyone who is here lawfully?

I have a Romanian bloke at work who came here on his ID card. He says he now has to go home to get a Romanian passport and then apply to come back. He also says he has noticed attitudes towards him have changed since the vote. He has asked me to keep his job open which means I will need to get a (presumably) British bloke from an agency. The last one I had was always adding an extra few minutes to his timesheets if he stayed late, and always forgot to knock anything off when he turned up late - traffic wasn't his fault. The Romanian bloke is at least 1½ times as good.


I know its unfair to generalise but its not the first time I've experienced it.

 

[Jam_Man]

That's disgraceful! :omg:

Why?

Would you expect all the British ex-pats in Spain to suddenly be forced to move back to the UK?

I would say most people did vote based on immigration, but did they really think that EU nationals who had settled here would be forced to go home ? That was never going to happen.

What about the non-EU immigrants who were accepted without the benefit of free movement, do people expect them all to leave as well?

 

[Bielzibubz]

I can't be arsed to dig through these posts, but to all those who said it was nothing to do with kicking out current EU residents, I believe that's what's being discussed at the moment. Shameful.

Won't ever happen. Political suicide by whoever is in power and has just been confirmed it won't happen by both leading candidates in the leadership race. Still, never let common sense get in the way of a sensationalist post.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Won't ever happen. Political suicide by whoever is in power and has just been confirmed it won't happen by both leading candidates in the leadership race. Still, never let common sense get in the way of a sensationalist post.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36707573

It all seems rather up in the air until negotiations start for real.The idea of using real people as "bargaining chips" is disgraceful.

 

[Bielzibubz]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36707573

It all seems rather up in the air until negotiations start for real.The idea of using real people as "bargaining chips" is disgraceful.

Don't believe everything you read in the media. Use your head. It won't happen.

 

[Swiss Tony]

I have a Romanian bloke at work who came here on his ID card. He says he now has to go home to get a Romanian passport and then apply to come back. He also says he has noticed attitudes towards him have changed since the vote. He has asked me to keep his job open which means I will need to get a (presumably) British bloke from an agency. The last one I had was always adding an extra few minutes to his timesheets if he stayed late, and always forgot to knock anything off when he turned up late - traffic wasn't his fault. The Romanian bloke is at least 1½ times as good.


I know its unfair to generalise but its not the first time I've experienced it.

I've worked with loads of eastern European chaps and some have been fine but i'm afraid the majority would have made excellent RUN OUTS players as kids,hard to find,mind they are cheap.

 

[Supernaut]

The idea of using real people as "bargaining chips" is disgraceful.

Politicans using proles as pawns shock, who ever would have though it...

 

[londonblue]

No, I don't think so. Immigration wasn't the be all and end all for me. There will be huge opposition to that if she goes ahead and it could cost her the party leadership.

So what was? Because the only post I can find of yours that mentions anything about your views is all about immigration:

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Had a very heated discussion with my daughter on Saturday night where she suggested to me that my views were "racist". This is the trouble with a large number of young people these days, who see any criticism of a system where immigrants are granted various things of benefit as being racist. Apparently the worst thing I said was that there are large parts of the East End where you can no longer find a white face - again, not racist, but simply a fact.

I tried to explain that this country has always welcomed immigrants, particularly in the 50s with large influxes of West Indian and Middle Eastern families. The huge difference is that these people integrated and adopted/adapted to our way of living, and far too many of those currently arriving have no wish to do so.

I was actually quite surprised that someone on the front line of immigration working as she does on border force, would be in favour of "remain".

 

[OldBlueLady]

So what was? Because the only post I can find of yours that mentions anything about your views is all about immigration:

That's because I haven't been overly vocal, that was just relaying a conversation I'd had with my daughter. My root cause has always been the basis of the EU becoming not what we voted to join, and the growth of the unelected bureaucrats plus the finances. Immigration wasn't my main reason but I did, obviously, have a view on it, as we all do.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Don't believe everything you read in the media. Use your head. It won't happen.

Don't worry,I'm "intensly relaxed" about my own situation,mainly from common sense but also on account of what I've read in the media.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-36707501

 

[londonblue]

That's because I haven't been overly vocal, that was just relaying a conversation I'd had with my daughter. My root cause has always been the basis of the EU becoming not what we voted to join, and the growth of the unelected bureaucrats plus the finances. Immigration wasn't my main reason but I did, obviously, have a view on it, as we all do.

Just because something has changed doesn't mean it has changed for the worst. So what part of that is the issue?

 

[Uncle Leo]

Politicans using proles as pawns shock

Better that than using poles as prawns though.

 

[Supernaut]

Damning words from Lord Lawson in parliament just now...

"The next government and the next prime minister will have a historic opportunity - the opportunity to make the United Kingdom the most dynamic and freest country in the whole of Europe, to finish the job which Margaret Thatcher started, and to become a beacon to our European friends who are currently embroiled in a failed and doomed experiment."

 

[Beefy]

I don't get the anger at what Theresa May is saying about EU migrants currently in the UK. Everyone knows that they're not going anywhere but the Government shouldn't say that until they get assurances about UK citizens in France, Spain, etc.

That's just common sense.

 

[Beefy]

Damning words from Lord Lawson in parliament just now...

"The next government and the next prime minister will have a historic opportunity - the opportunity to make the United Kingdom the most dynamic and freest country in the whole of Europe, to finish the job which Margaret Thatcher started, and to become a beacon to our European friends who are currently embroiled in a failed and doomed experiment."

There won't be a United Kingdom though.

 

[Jai]

I don't get the anger at what Theresa May is saying about EU migrants currently in the UK. Everyone knows that they're not going anywhere but the Government shouldn't say that until they get assurances about UK citizens in France, Spain, etc.

That's just common sense.

This. Why come out and make a commitment before negotiations have even started? There's no way in 2016 there can be any justification for sending "home" people who have made a life here, have jobs, have kids in school, have mortgages etc. It simply can't happen in a civilised society. The same goes for British migrants living elsewhere, why should they have to get off their sun loungers and stop leaching off the Spanish healthcare system all of a sudden :winking:

 

[steveo]

This. Why come out and make a commitment before negotiations have even started? There's no way in 2016 there can be any justification for sending "home" people who have made a life here, have jobs, have kids in school, have mortgages etc. It simply can't happen in a civilised society. The same goes for British migrants living elsewhere, why should they have to get off their sun loungers and stop leaching off the Spanish healthcare system all of a sudden :winking:

A mate of mine has a sister who lives in Spain. She and her husband regularly come back always ready to slag of this country and moan about how **** it is. I asked them why they keep coming back then - Their answer - for their hospital/doctors appointments. Apparently the Spanish healthcare doesn't have enough people who speak English. Idiots.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

All through the referendum campaign I had a friend on FB who incessantly posted pro brexit articles from any source he could find, some of them rather lower than the gutter and on the very far right hand side of it. These were supplemented by PigGate posts denigrating a long list of MP's, mostly for their expenses and their voting record on a few controversial bills. In contrast to all this was a theme of 'British and Proud' with a strong backing of our armed forces, who he held up as a paragon of virtue.
Apart from some early skirmishes, I soon realised there was little point discussing with him as his views were closed (as closed as mine :winking: ). Anyway what intrigued me was where this person, who also felt Corbyn was a waste of space, actually stood on the political spectrum, as his views appeared bizarrely conflicting. I've since found out that my brother, a close friend of his, questioned him on his strong Brexit stance. He claimed that his Brexit vote was nothing to do with economics, sovereignty or immigration but just a simple desire ................to get rid of Cameron. This has left me none the wiser and rather confused. Is he one of these ex Labour voters who now feel disenfrachised and cut off from the mainstream of British politics? Is there a new political animal in our midst?

 

[londonblue]

All through the referendum campaign I had a friend on FB who incessantly posted pro brexit articles from any source he could find, some of them rather lower than the gutter and on the very far right hand side of it. These were supplemented by PigGate posts denigrating a long list of MP's, mostly for their expenses and their voting record on a few controversial bills. In contrast to all this was a theme of 'British and Proud' with a strong backing of our armed forces, who he held up as a paragon of virtue.
Apart from some early skirmishes, I soon realised there was little point discussing with him as his views were closed (as closed as mine :winking: ). Anyway what intrigued me was where this person, who also felt Corbyn was a waste of space, actually stood on the political spectrum, as his views appeared bizarrely conflicting. I've since found out that my brother, a close friend of his, questioned him on his strong Brexit stance. He claimed that his Brexit vote was nothing to do with economics, sovereignty or immigration but just a simple desire ................to get rid of Cameron. This has left me none the wiser and rather confused. Is he one of these ex Labour voters who now feel disenfrachised and cut off from the mainstream of British politics? Is there a new political animal in our midst?

As I said, it seems now that people would have voted to leave regardless of the pros and cons. They were prepared to cut off their nose to spite their face if it meant giving two fingers to the "establishment".

 

[Beefy]

I look at the candidates to lead the Conservatives, and the shambolic scenes at Labour, and find it surprising that anyone would want to get rid of David Cameron. I feel much more confident about him running the country than any of the alternatives.