Thanks Kev - but is a new manager needed?

[pottster]

Looked to me like an "up yours" type comment. After all he went through last season to keep this team / club alive, he's probably getting fed up with all the digs and feels he deserves more respect ?

Maybe this is what kev needs to channel. Create a fortress attitude around himself and the players. If it means we win every game 3-1 then I'm all for it!

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

As Paul Clarke points out we're currently playing for a place in the play-offs.While that 's undoubtly a good thing it's not guaranteed that we'll get out of the NL that way this season.Or indeed any other.

 

[Jay_SUFC]

I honestly didn't see what he reacted to that's why I asked the question but he started F'ing and blinding at someone close to where I sit, but it looked to be either close to or in the directors box. It started with about 10-15 mins to go but then Maher keeps it going and turned round again swearing for no reason, as far as I could tell. Even when we scored the third goal he wasn't happy and was clearly trying to react to whoever had upset him. Just enjoy the moment! I find him very unlikable the more I see of him to be honest. The final whistle went and he was turning and glaring at the fans in the East so maybe it was a fan but I get the impression the pressure is getting to him now. I agree about the teams commitment though, I've wondered whether he's lost the dressing room at times, I think the fact it's been questioned shows how poor some of our performances have been.

Also, something I enjoyed was a bit of flair down the left wing by Husin, stepping over and doing a fancy turn to best two of their players, it was great to see. And, it shows that when you attack a game and get on top you play with confidence and have fun. I don't see how defending the whole game would build confidence in the team. I'm not convinced by Maher but I'll back him while we're attacking teams etc. I certainly won't miss him when he's gone.

Such a different character to both Barrett and Tilson as well, this isn't the first time they've attended together and I do suspect that if things don't continue to improve then perhaps that's their plan.

Maybe someone asked him why he doesn't keep that formation :)

 

[kentblues]

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Don’t worry there will be some alternative facts..

 

[Avl1983]

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Ok so in those 10 games we've played:
Halifax - Good result against a team challenging for the playoffs
Maidenhead - Awful performance we should never have lost
Fylde - A really good performance against a really poor side
Dagenham - A good result against a team who are third from bottom across the last 10 games
Barnet - Awful performance against a good team
Braintree - A 1-0 win against a poor side
Ebbsfleet - A good win against easily the worst team in the league
York - Another terrible result and performance.
Hartlepool - 0-0 draw against a midtable NL side
Halifax - A good result, clearly we have their number this season.

Stats can be misleading. I realise you can only beat what's in front of you but equally our only strong performances against good sides were in the two games against Halifax. When we step up and play teams that are challenging at the top like Barnet and York we don't attack and have been found out.

Look, I hope he turns it around, genuinely. I want out of the NL so if Maher can produce that then great, but these stats just hide the reality of the dross we've been watching for a long time now. Maher has been protected by posts like this. I think we've been very fortunate who we've faced and against a different run of teams it could have been very different.

And we won't mention Sittinbourne either?

 

[Avl1983]

Don’t worry there will be some alternative facts..

Facts and stats can be seen in many ways as all the differing opinions prove...

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Don’t worry there will be some alternative facts..

Opiniones perhaps.

 

[GBJ]

Stats can be misleading. I realise you can only beat what's in front of you but equally our only strong performances against good sides were in the two games against Halifax. When we step up and play teams that are challenging at the top like Barnet and York we don't attack and have been found out.

We have taken points off Forest Green, York & Oldham this season. That is 3 of the current top 4 teams in the division.

Stats might be misleading at times, but facts are facts.

 

[Dave Smiths Love Child]

He clearly needs some anger management counselling and media training. His public persona is hardly conducive to winning friends and influencing people

Yet we can have a poll asking in or out, cannot imagine any other industry that can verbally abuse someone week in and out whether from a distance or internet and then cry when the bullied reacts with passion.

 

[NZamba Legend]

Facts and stats can be seen in many ways as all the differing opinions prove...

Some things are just facts though independent of people's opinions about them.

 

[RHB]

He clearly needs some anger management counselling and media training. His public persona is hardly conducive to winning friends and influencing people

That flowing description undoubtedly also fits a sizable minority of posters on here.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Ok so in those 10 games we've played:
Halifax - Good result against a team challenging for the playoffs
Maidenhead - Awful performance we should never have lost
Fylde - A really good performance against a really poor side
Dagenham - A good result against a team who are third from bottom across the last 10 games
Barnet - Awful performance against a good team
Braintree - A 1-0 win against a poor side
Ebbsfleet - A good win against easily the worst team in the league
York - Another terrible result and performance.
Hartlepool - 0-0 draw against a midtable NL side
Halifax - A good result, clearly we have their number this season.

Stats can be misleading. I realise you can only beat what's in front of you but equally our only strong performances against good sides were in the two games against Halifax. When we step up and play teams that are challenging at the top like Barnet and York we don't attack and have been found out.

Look, I hope he turns it around, genuinely. I want out of the NL so if Maher can produce that then great, but these stats just hide the reality of the dross we've been watching for a long time now. Maher has been protected by posts like this. I think we've been very fortunate who we've faced and against a different run of teams it could have been very different.

And we won't mention Sittinbourne either?

Its not just Halifax we’ve got points against this season - earlier this season we drew with Forest Green, York, Oldham who are currently 2, 3, 4; in addition to beating 6th placed Halifax twice we’ve beaten 8th placed Rochdale and 10th Solihull, drawn twice with 9th place Hartlepool and took L1 Charlton to extra time. That’s a side who has generally competed ok (not great, not terrible) against the better sides we’ve faced which matches up to where we are - just on the fringes of the playoffs.

If we want to make exceptions as to why games shouldn’t count Sittingbourne we played in the midst of an illness bug. I knew we were ripe for a shock when I heard the team and that players were ill and that we couldn’t name a full bench. But if we include cup games as well as the loss there’s also a further two wins.

The York game wasnt so much as a bad game but a bad second half. At half-time if you look at the match thread the comments at half-time are reasonably positive before it went to **** second half. Didn’t help that we missed a great chance to take the lead. Can’t comment on Barnet at home as I missed that one. Maybe Barnet just have our number like we have Halifax’s though?

We’re not where we want to be but we’re not a million miles away either. Last night’s performance didn’t come out of nowhere.
A little bit extra quality wouldn’t go amiss but we really need to improve confidence and we need to improve depth - for example the last three matches Bridge has missed we’ve lost. The champagne football flows when the confidence is high. A few more wins like last night will help get us there.

 

[NZamba Legend]

He clearly needs some anger management counselling and media training. His public persona is hardly conducive to winning friends and influencing people

Seemed to do okay keeping the show on the road last season whilst winning manager of the year. But yeah, no friends or influence as you say. I like Kev’s personality, he’s a fighter and I like how he doesn’t take **** from loud mouthed and over opinionated supporters

 

[Liam AAS]

This thread goes back and forth with every game. "Where's your Maher X lot now?!"

Performances have been inconsistent, results have been inconsistent, support for the manager and the players has been inconsistent.

Inconsistency breeds frustration. Everyone is feeling it, we all want to be winning and playing well as we do it.

Having now had notifications for this thread pop up for months and votes for Maher to leave increase despite an uptick in form since the original question was asked, my conclusion is that it's just simply a matter of patience and sympathy. Some have it, some don't. I'm not judging.

All I know is that this thread will probably be batted back and forth for the rest of the season, regardless of where we finish in the table.

 

[leeblue]

Facts and stats can be seen in many ways as all the differing opinions prove...

The trouble is facts are fact and they don't give a monkeys about your opinion. Sorry if that shocks you. Opinions are not facts. You may not like the style, go cry more we are in a vein of form that is pushing us towards the right end of the table....fact.
In your opinion you're not a fan of the style, this has zero bearing on the fact.
Hope this helps.

 

[leeblue]

So to summarise people have been Discussing about kevs inflexibility, he changes things up over recent weeks and those calling for flexibility say things like...he better not change formation now....so you want him to be rigid in his choice......sums up you lot perfectly.
If on Saturday we are being swamped in the midfield due to a pure numbers game and kev didn't react shape wise you'd all moan about it.

 

[leeblue]

Newsflash
Non league footballers are sometimes inconsistent in performance levels, shocking I know.

 

[Avl1983]

Its not just Halifax we’ve got points against this season - earlier this season we drew with Forest Green, York, Oldham who are currently 2, 3, 4; in addition to beating 6th placed Halifax twice we’ve beaten 8th placed Rochdale and 10th Solihull, drawn twice with 9th place Hartlepool and took L1 Charlton to extra time. That’s a side who has generally competed ok (not great, not terrible) against the better sides we’ve faced which matches up to where we are - just on the fringes of the playoffs.

If we want to make exceptions as to why games shouldn’t count Sittingbourne we played in the midst of an illness bug. I knew we were ripe for a shock when I heard the team and that players were ill and that we couldn’t name a full bench. But if we include cup games as well as the loss there’s also a further two wins.

The York game wasnt so much as a bad game but a bad second half. At half-time if you look at the match thread the comments at half-time are reasonably positive before it went to **** second half. Didn’t help that we missed a great chance to take the lead. Can’t comment on Barnet at home as I missed that one. Maybe Barnet just have our number like we have Halifax’s though?

We’re not where we want to be but we’re not a million miles away either. Last night’s performance didn’t come out of nowhere.
A little bit extra quality wouldn’t go amiss but we really need to improve confidence and we need to improve depth - for example the last three matches Bridge has missed we’ve lost. The champagne football flows when the confidence is high. A few more wins like last night will help get us there.

I take all of your points here, I went through the past 10 games as you posted our form over those games. Stats can be misleading and you could be forgiven for purely looking at the form table as you posted and believe we'd been playing well. My point there was that out of those 10 games only Halifax were a team doing well at that point.

I appreciate we've had other games where we've done well throughout the season and we've shown it in periods, my concern is that most of the time (not always) the poor performances come due to the way we manage the game. Maher is quite stubborn and does tend to stick to a safety first approach. You mention confidence being an issue, well that comes from sitting back and allowing teams to attack you. Play on the front foot, score some goals and the confidence increases, look at Noor last night doing a step over and turn past two players down the left wing, he was enjoying himself for once.

You're right, were not a million miles away, I think that's where my frustration comes from, we show signs and then the tactics chosen are so negative. It happens against team like Woking and Maidenhead etc, no one can think that's acceptable surely?

As for the Sittingbourne game I didn't have any worries going into the game, we'd just played expansive, exciting football against Dagenham and Fylde and I honestly thought we'd go out, attack the game and win, sadly that didn't happen.

We can analyse game by game but in my opinion Maher is playing way too cautiously and inviting teams to come and beat us and many of them are, or are getting a point where they really shouldn't. This negative style has affected the confidence of the team and I truly don't believe he's getting the best out of this bunch of players.

At the end of the day, I hope I'm wrong, I hope you're correct and I'll happily sit here and take that on the chin if it happens, I hope we do start winning more games like last night, it wasn't perfect but at least we had a go!

 

[Avl1983]

The trouble is facts are fact and they don't give a monkeys about your opinion. Sorry if that shocks you. Opinions are not facts. You may not like the style, go cry more we are in a vein of form that is pushing us towards the right end of the table....fact.
In your opinion you're not a fan of the style, this has zero bearing on the fact.
Hope this helps.

facts can be interpreted in different ways, sorry if that shocks you as well... you may not agree with me and can back Maher all day long, that's fine, but facts can and will be interpreted in different ways.

I've never disputed the fact we're improving in the league table and I hope it continues, that doesn't stop those wins coming from mostly poor performing teams, whether that will continue after last night, who knows?

 

[Holy Joe]

I take all of your points here, I went through the past 10 games as you posted our form over those games. Stats can be misleading and you could be forgiven for purely looking at the form table as you posted and believe we'd been playing well. My point there was that out of those 10 games only Halifax were a team doing well at that point.

A form table over 10 games - is not a short period of time where stats can be misleading - it's almost a quarter of the season.

If you're dismissing our place in the form table then you really need to analyse all the other teams and their results - do any of Barnets or FGR's wins count as they were against teams below them in the league?