Summer start for stadium

[fbm]

dont get me wrong, the players dont foot the bill most of the time, the club does that, or on certain games as in the cups the hosting club also foots a % of the traveling club.

SO what's your point exactly? Your earlier post said this

funny how the club pays for all of this, i dont think so, for starters the players are made to pay for some of their over night hotels out of their own pockets sometimes and as for the youth teams, this recevies payments made by the shrimpers trust as well to help them on their way as well as other equipment that sometimes is needed, the club dosnt mention much about that now do they.

which is definitely written in an anti-club stance as though they have something to hide.

If they don't pay for certain things they're not going to include it, are they?

 

[bazzashrimper]

You'd think... but he and the club can't win.

I remember a Ron interview on BBC Essex prior to the Orient league match last season when he spoke to Nick Alliker about the clubs finances and the stadium. He was pressed for a date that the stadium would commence and he said he was hoping that the diggers would start in November 2009. Then it was last summer. But at no stage has anybody given a guarantee that the ground will definitely commence on any given day because that is beyond any one persons control.

It's almost like moving house; I'm sure many of us on here can relate to that but if there is a chain, the date you move is totally reliant on the other parties in the chain and usually the first time buyer at the bottom. Once EVERYONE has got sorted, then it's all systems go. However, throughout the whole processs, which takes months and can stretch to over a year, everyone is hopeful they'll be moving soon.

If Tara says nothing, then the club get criticised for being silent and people will draw their own conclusions that no news means nothing will happen and we're being shafted.

Personally I feel we have come too far down the road for nothing to happen at all. It will happen. Everyone wants it. The last mile is often the longest and most painful. But there is too much going on elsewhere for it to be a work of fiction.

I guess I can appreciate people's general pessimism but that is how we are generally; we don't set ourselves up for high expectations as that all too easily leads to disappointment and if we are pessimistic then we are delighted when proved wrong.

I'm not sure about setting themselves up for a fall - the last date that was announced was by RM 2 days before Tilly was sacked - RM said they had just sold the advertising for the boards and they would be going up within a month - RM chose to offer up this info. By this summer, that month is now a year. Building must have been pretty close to suggest boards going up in a month - so why's it taken (at least) a year?

OK the 8 shops are one issue which is publisised to be stopping the building and perhaps he was expecting offers to be accepted immediately after his 'next month' speech? But we've just put in for changes to the planning permission - so this is something else that wasn't sorted and had to be fixed in that one month? Anything else?

As I see it, RM has consistantly been pressured on dates, but also on occasion he chose to offer potential dates which are always pretty close. Months later you can look at the excuses and these dates seem like they never had a chance. Why give out these deadlines then? Is RM is trying to smooth the water with the support, 2 days before sacking Tilly for example? Has RM been trying to give the impression to potential suitors that build is about to start, e.g. the company who paid to sponsor the boarding?

Or on the other hand, does everything just keep going chaotically wrong, e.g. shop leases keep pulling out because of delay, so that causes delay, and then the replacement requires changes to the planning? Or does it really all depend on just those 8 shops?

 

[Cricko]

Interesting things in the rest of the article

Blackpool offer for Bil was an inital 200k , it was a strategic decision taken with PS to keep him which overrode the temptation to take the Finacial only option

We currentlt take in 3M pa
With out goings of
1.35 on players wages
0.45 management and medical
0.6 Insurance, and other costs (hotels etc)
0.5 Operational and matchday staff
0.6 on youth
0.15 commercial
0.2 maintenance and business rates

Now that would equate to an annual loss of 850K , however given that he also states "we're now losing less than 100k a month when it was nearly 200k before" that does not quite stack up (but it does not appear to include any tax liability !!)
I would imagine that the 3M in takes into account the season tickets which have been used to repay the loan / Charterhouse debt and may well be reduced by the lower than expected gates .

He also says we could also survive as a league two club at a rickety old stadium but even then we would have to lower our ewage bill

It is still hard to fathom (even though it is in Black and White) that it costs over 70k a week to run the club and some 300k a month.

 

[Beefy]

It is still hard to fathom (even though it is in Black and White) that it costs over 70k a week to run the club and some 300k a month.

It shouldn't cost that much to get 11 blokes to play football. But that's football unfortunately. I've seen a few Clubs' accounts and ours are not in the least bit unusual. The difference is other Clubs having an ability to finance their losses which is escaping us.

 

[Up the Shrimpers]

Have we not been told for the past 3 years that work will start in the Summer? As gets asked every year when is Summer? I say June to August.

I think the difference this time is that if work does not start this 'Summer' then we may have to go through all the planning permission business again

 

[Crabby Shrimper]

LOL

Too many lines and syllables to be a haiku!

Reads more like a fa ku to me

 

[Billy Bests boot laces]

Tara Brady is still hopeful that work on the stadium will start in the summer.

Ar'nt we all!. Just seems that everything is still up in the air and no-one has a clue as to when (and if) work will commence on the project?.

 

[ms brush]

Trouble is, in true project management terms, the build wont start until all dependencies that make up the "start" milestone are completed. The risk log in this sort of project will be huge, and because of the money and number of stakeholders involved, the exact start date cant really be predicted - because on this sort of project, delays are inevitable and invariably not quick to resolve. As we have seen , sadly! The difficult part for the club is that us fans dont see what is happening because we cant see anything being built, and therefore we dont appreciate that this project is probably at least 50% complete already, because building the new ground is likely to be the easy bit!

The club has been guilty of gross naivity in the past by offering up planned dates for the build to start, which have understandably been taken as gospel, and the lack of visible action has led to some of the problems of trust we now feel towards the club. As a fan, I'd love the diggers to start digging in the summer, but as a project manager myself, I would have been far more cautious about making this sort of prediction in public.

Anyone going to hold the club to starting the build in the summer?

 

[Rayleigh boy]

ooooooooh - I definately believe this - never been spoonfed bollox before -

This summer I predict one bulldozer at FF and 35 bulldozers at RH - come August ... "we have started work - we can't hold up sainsburys hello groundd share "

 

[Col.U. Mad]

Have we not been told for the past 3 years that work will start in the Summer? As gets asked every year when is Summer? I say June to August.

I remember the same being said in November 2009. As all other posters I believe this as being complete bollox again.:thumbdown:

 

[grassroots]

The club has been guilty of gross naivity in the past by offering up planned dates for the build to start, which have understandably been taken as gospel, and the lack of visible action has led to some of the problems of trust we now feel towards the club. As a fan, I'd love the diggers to start digging in the summer, but as a project manager myself, I would have been far more cautious about making this sort of prediction in public.

Anyone going to hold the club to starting the build in the summer?

Can’t argue with that. At last the penny seems to have dropped with RM (more by force than his own judgment I feel) that this project is (and always was) too big for him. To try and 'rescue' an ailing football club by means of such an ambitious scheme AND run the club on a day to day basis would have proved testing with most and was beyond Mr. Martin.
I just hope that Tara Brady is the real deal and that his praise of RM was just a matter of good PR with the boss - we need a 'new' man at the helm, there are a lot of bridges to build.

 

[Homer]

I remember the same being said in November 2009. As all other posters I believe this as being complete bollox again.:thumbdown:

just like you are the best supported team in essex that is total complete bollocks , worry about your own future looks lke the O's are moving up the table and you are on a slippery slide :thumbdown: down the league you go

 

[Col.U. Mad]

just like you are the best supported team in essex that is total complete bollocks , worry about your own future looks lke the O's are moving up the table and you are on a slippery slide :thumbdown: down the league you go

So you slag off a team you hate by praising another team you hate:duh:

:hilarious:

 

[Smiffy]

Also says in todays Echo, that the first stage will be installation of 14,000 seats. With the remaining 8,000 seats in the West stand installed at a later date. Possibly at the same time though depending on the hotel operator.

 

[Up the Shrimpers]

Also says in todays Echo, that the first stage will be installation of 14,000 seats. With the remaining 8,000 seats in the West stand installed at a later date. Possibly at the same time though depending on the hotel operator.

So this is the first official statement that the ground could be 3 sided to start with. I thought the West Stand was the main focal point of the ground as it would be the new main stand with the small 2nd tier, the executive boxes and the Hotel. What is not clear if the stand will be built and just the seats not put in?

 

[Jam_Man]

So this is the first official statement that the ground could be 3 sided to start with. I thought the West Stand was the main focal point of the ground as it would be the new main stand with the small 2nd tier, the executive boxes and the Hotel. What is not clear if the stand will be built and just the seats not put in?

Sounds more like the seats wont be put in than the stand wont be there, although I cant see why we would have to wait for the hotel operator to be able to put seats in?

 

[Homer]

So you slag off a team you hate by praising another team you hate:duh:

:hilarious:

I never said i hated the O's you did i just said there moving up and you are on slippery slide - but your right about one think i hate ****ing colchester

 

[Homer]

Sounds more like the seats wont be put in than the stand wont be there, although I cant see why we would have to wait for the hotel operator to be able to put seats in?

will be there room for 2 hotels just down the road from each other with one planned to go in a Garons with the planned extension of sporting facilities

 

[Up the Shrimpers]

will be there room for 2 hotels just down the road from each other with one planned to go in a Garons with the planned extension of sporting facilities

3 Hotels dont forget the new one planned for the Airport, also they keep talking about the new hotel on the seafront being built as well.

 

[Up the Shrimpers]

Sounds more like the seats wont be put in than the stand wont be there, although I cant see why we would have to wait for the hotel operator to be able to put seats in?

Yep it sounds a bit odd, you would have thought the cost of 8,000 seats would not have much of an impact on the total budget. That why I thought maybe the stand was not being built at all to start with? I would have thought all the club offices, changing rooms etc will be in this new West Stand as well.