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SUFC: The Future SUFC up for sale

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Whoever buys it needs to attract families. Thats the only future.
Its mums and or dads taking kids to games that makes lifelong fans.

Id personally heavily discount the kids every game, aim for a full house and more merch/food sales.

Then provide some class special packages for the corporate people. not just pineapple on a stick and a watered down carling.

Then have a special section for the singers and rowdy lot in the place most acoustically suited.
 
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Whoever buys it needs to attract families. Thats the only future.
Its mums and or dads taking kids to games that makes lifelong fans.

Id personally heavily discount the kids every game, aim for a full house and more merch/food sales.
I got into watching because there were cheap discount tickets for kids, and the family season ticket deals kept me there. There is definitely truth in this approach, I hope one day in the future I'll be bringing my own kids too.
 
I got into watching because there were cheap discount tickets for kids, and the family season ticket deals kept me there. There is definitely truth in this approach, I hope one day in the future I'll be bringing my own kids too.
100% , think of the amount of families that flock to Southend in the sunshine too! Be good if we could grab their attention away from Adventure Island for a couple of hours on a Saturday.
 
Thanks for that, very interesting. Of course I have plenty of people who come into my stand at Toulouse and show interest ........... but they don't end up buying!😂. However It does answer the pessimists on here, posing the question, who on earth would be interested in buying our 'debt-ridden' club. There are some!
OK I'll bite
 
the problem i see is this , in common with many other towns, the more affluent southend fans possibly the older ones have moved out of southend, as the southend area with the exception of a few places, has become a really awful city, I walked through the high street to the pier the other sunday afternoon, and couldnt believe what I saw( I moved out many years ago) it looks like a downtrodden suburb of london. So attracting new fans to a new stadium might be a harder job than you think. Especially if the stadium goes ahead in the middle of social housing, its hardly going to be a place you are likely to linger around . I would be interested in seeing how many southend fans still live in southend ??

Southend - a pier that shames Wigan, a centre that shames Southend.......
 
Anyway this neighbour asked me what I thought had changed most in the town.When I said I had no idea he instantly replied that he thought it was the increasing immigrant community.Racists have always been with us unfortunately.
Is the suggestion here that simply noticing a demographic shift automatically means you’re a racist!? It sounds as though you weren’t in a position to provide an alternative answer.
 
Personally I think the agency may gave been "involved" for a lot longer and it was them who called the press conference and wrote the statement
thats the contradiction i was getting at
Southend central area yes has big issues with deprivation.

The demographic I believe rm was referring to were those in the wealthier surrounding areas who he appeared to be indicating a new owner would need to attract to turn a profit.

But yes, how likely are they to be tempted and what sort of experience would need to be offered. It’s all up for debate but prices at the new stadium will have to go up if a new owner hopes to make money from the club.

I don’t think being surrounded by social housing would put people off tbf
This is a pretty boring discussion that I cant believe has attracted so many posts. Who gives a monkeys if somebody he decides that the new owners will want to attract a different demographic.
No one knows what the new owners plans will be!
 
I'm no expert on any of this but the thing that would concern me if I were a) wealthy enough, and b) interested, would be the fact the stadium I'd be buying would be coming with numerous blocks of flats built in to it, which I assume would not be part of the deal. Then you have the potential complications moving forward of what if the club did manage to do a Bournmouth or a Brentford. How can you expand the stadium if need be? I would think any prospective buyers will be aiming high to make the club worth selling in the future for multiple millions. As an example, both the clubs mentioned above were bought for sums relative to their lower-league circumstances at the time, and both would now be worth huge sums by comparison. That would be the goal for new owners. I could see the current stadium plans being a big stumbling block. Get rid of all flats and bring back the hotel and include it in the deal, and it becomes a whole lot more appealing.
 
I'm no expert on any of this but the thing that would concern me if I were a) wealthy enough, and b) interested, would be the fact the stadium I'd be buying would be coming with numerous blocks of flats built in to it, which I assume would not be part of the deal. Then you have the potential complications moving forward of what if the club did manage to do a Bournmouth or a Brentford. How can you expand the stadium if need be? I would think any prospective buyers will be aiming high to make the club worth selling in the future for multiple millions. As an example, both the clubs mentioned above were bought for sums relative to their lower-league circumstances at the time, and both would now be worth huge sums by comparison. That would be the goal for new owners. I could see the current stadium plans being a big stumbling block. Get rid of all flats and bring back the hotel and include it in the deal, and it becomes a whole lot more appealing.
There is only a very small proportion of the housing units in the stadium. If I were the buyer I would want to own them. And as you say go back to plan A on stadium size.
 
We need an owner who can see how much potential this club and areas has!

Airport
City
2 dedicated train lines to London
2 dedicated roads to London A13 and A127

You look at Wrexham and average town in north wales and I think that’s a joke compared to what we are!!
 
Would Ron give up control of the stadium build? He needs that built, or phase 1 anyway, before housing at roots hall can commence. Be risky to lose control of the project?
Maybe …and of course who takes the pain when the build goes over budget. The key thing is you would absolutely want to influence what is built and surely it’s very likely the new buyer is likely to take a longer term, less price sensitive view of what is needed

There is the financial aspect. For example, if Ron doesn’t want to write off the debt until much later in the process then maybe he could sell club, new stadium site plus training ground for £1 with the buyer taking on the non-Ron debts and % of the Ron debts, and then a repayment schedule for those debts against the new stadium build stages. New buyer could own the land but Ron still be the developer?

All sorts of different scenarios- interested to see other perspectives
 

Not sure if anyone has already shared this but very interesting article about why American investors are interested in British clubs.

Proximity to London and size of fan base are important factors, according to the article.

Hopefully this is the reason Stan is in New York.
If you can't get behind the paywall, The Times article from yesterday is as follows. I've highlighted a couple of bits which I think show why we could be attractive as an investment to US investors.


Premier League is popular but American investors are quietly snapping up EFL clubs too​

Quarter of clubs in Premier League and three divisions below have some form of US investment

Martyn Ziegler Chief Sports Reporter
Monday March 20 2023, 7.15pm, The Times
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/topic/premier-league


The Todd Boehly-led takeover of Chelsea had all the ingredients that explain the lure of the Premier League for investors from the United States, with half the top-flight clubs now fully or partly owned by Americans.

But with a lot less razzmatazz, American investors have also been quietly snapping up EFL clubs to the point where more than a quarter of clubs in the Premier League and three divisions below it have some form of US investment.

Gillingham, Plymouth Argyle, Leyton Orient and most recently Lincoln City may not seem an obvious attraction, but a quick look at the sums involved explains why they have become so desirable.

Portsmouth is the classic example, bought by Michael Eisner, the former head of Walt Disney, for £5.67 million in 2017 with a commitment for some stadium improvements.

Remarkably, that means for the £2.5 billion price that Boehly paid for Chelsea — with some much bigger commitments for some stadium improvements — he could have bought 441 Portsmouths. Pompey may have been in League Two, about to be promoted to League One, when Eisner completed his takeover but the potential is there: it is a one-city club within Fratton Park — a stadium that holds more than 20,000 supporters.

Portsmouth was a particular bargain-basement offer but prices have risen considerably since that takeover. League One side Ipswich Town were bought by Gamechanger 20, an American consortium, for £40 million, while Crawley Town, in League Two, were bought by the cryptocurrency group Wagmi for £5 million last year.

The Americans in the EFL are buying potential without the risk — and the stakes can be high. Randy Lerner, the American credit card tycoon, reckons he lost more than £200 million over the ten years he owned Aston Villa, describing English football as sport’s Wild West “where frauds and charlatans were allowed to roam freely”.

One director of an EFL club — one of those with American investors — said: “The top clubs have either been snapped up or are too expensive, so the Americans are also looking at clubs with potential where they don’t have to risk a huge outlay.

“They can get them for a sensible price and the ultimate prize would be to reach the promised land of the Premier League. Even with League One and Two clubs, the idea is that if you are fairly sensible you can improve their situation and then sell your stake.”

One American investor cited a “big city or town, or proximity to London” as being factors in making their choice, as well as the price, which may explain why there appears to be a north-south divide with the majority of EFL clubs with American investment being in the south.

He also confirmed that the prize of reaching the Premier League was a big driver, given that it guarantees at least £200 million in TV money and parachute payments if relegated again.

“There are not many businesses where you can increase your turnover by a factor of ten in a single year,” the investor said. “Clubs such as Ipswich Town, Portsmouth, Millwall and Plymouth all have large stadiums and high attendances in the EFL, and people see what Bournemouth have achieved with a much smaller stadium.”

It is not just about the money, said the investor, there is also the romance of taking a club from a low level and the chance of getting to the top — the kind of romance that prompted the Hollywood actors Rob McElhenney and Ryan Reynolds to take over the National League side Wrexham in 2021.

The possibility of growth in media rights given the rise of streaming platforms is the main driving force for investors looking at Premier League clubs but that is almost as strong in the EFL.

Domestic TV rights income has remained level or even dipped in the past five years but many Americans are convinced that the next big jump is just around the corner, either driven by the streaming giants taking on the pay-TV broadcasters or clubs being given more flexibility to stream their own matches.

“In soccer, England is where it is at — it is seen as the best league, the one the whole world is interested in,” the investor said. “We think the possibilities for growth are there and not just in the Premier League, and we can be part of that without paying the kind of money that Chelsea cost.”
 
If you can't get behind the paywall, The Times article from yesterday is as follows. I've highlighted a couple of bits which I think show why we could be attractive as an investment to US investors.


Premier League is popular but American investors are quietly snapping up EFL clubs too​

Quarter of clubs in Premier League and three divisions below have some form of US investment

Martyn Ziegler Chief Sports Reporter
Monday March 20 2023, 7.15pm, The Times
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/topic/premier-league
The Todd Boehly-led takeover of Chelsea had all the ingredients that explain the lure of the Premier League for investors from the United States, with half the top-flight clubs now fully or partly owned by Americans.


But with a lot less razzmatazz, American investors have also been quietly snapping up EFL clubs to the point where more than a quarter of clubs in the Premier League and three divisions below it have some form of US investment.

Gillingham, Plymouth Argyle, Leyton Orient and most recently Lincoln City may not seem an obvious attraction, but a quick look at the sums involved explains why they have become so desirable.

Portsmouth is the classic example, bought by Michael Eisner, the former head of Walt Disney, for £5.67 million in 2017 with a commitment for some stadium improvements.

Remarkably, that means for the £2.5 billion price that Boehly paid for Chelsea — with some much bigger commitments for some stadium improvements — he could have bought 441 Portsmouths. Pompey may have been in League Two, about to be promoted to League One, when Eisner completed his takeover but the potential is there: it is a one-city club within Fratton Park — a stadium that holds more than 20,000 supporters.

Portsmouth was a particular bargain-basement offer but prices have risen considerably since that takeover. League One side Ipswich Town were bought by Gamechanger 20, an American consortium, for £40 million, while Crawley Town, in League Two, were bought by the cryptocurrency group Wagmi for £5 million last year.


The Americans in the EFL are buying potential without the risk — and the stakes can be high. Randy Lerner, the American credit card tycoon, reckons he lost more than £200 million over the ten years he owned Aston Villa, describing English football as sport’s Wild West “where frauds and charlatans were allowed to roam freely”.
One director of an EFL club — one of those with American investors — said: “The top clubs have either been snapped up or are too expensive, so the Americans are also looking at clubs with potential where they don’t have to risk a huge outlay.
“They can get them for a sensible price and the ultimate prize would be to reach the promised land of the Premier League. Even with League One and Two clubs, the idea is that if you are fairly sensible you can improve their situation and then sell your stake.”

One American investor cited a “big city or town, or proximity to London” as being factors in making their choice, as well as the price, which may explain why there appears to be a north-south divide with the majority of EFL clubs with American investment being in the south.


He also confirmed that the prize of reaching the Premier League was a big driver, given that it guarantees at least £200 million in TV money and parachute payments if relegated again.


“There are not many businesses where you can increase your turnover by a factor of ten in a single year,” the investor said. “Clubs such as Ipswich Town, Portsmouth, Millwall and Plymouth all have large stadiums and high attendances in the EFL, and people see what Bournemouth have achieved with a much smaller stadium.”

It is not just about the money, said the investor, there is also the romance of taking a club from a low level and the chance of getting to the top — the kind of romance that prompted the Hollywood actors Rob McElhenney and Ryan Reynolds to take over the National League side Wrexham in 2021.

The possibility of growth in media rights given the rise of streaming platforms is the main driving force for investors looking at Premier League clubs but that is almost as strong in the EFL.

Domestic TV rights income has remained level or even dipped in the past five years but many Americans are convinced that the next big jump is just around the corner, either driven by the streaming giants taking on the pay-TV broadcasters or clubs being given more flexibility to stream their own matches.

“In soccer, England is where it is at — it is seen as the best league, the one the whole world is interested in,” the investor said. “We think the possibilities for growth are there and not just in the Premier League, and we can be part of that without paying the kind of money that Chelsea cost.”
Indeed - we are “the club” in the entire city of Southend with London Southend Airport right next door- virtually in London therefore…form an orderly queue…
 
If you can't get behind the paywall, The Times article from yesterday is as follows. I've highlighted a couple of bits which I think show why we could be attractive as an investment to US investors.


Premier League is popular but American investors are quietly snapping up EFL clubs too​

Quarter of clubs in Premier League and three divisions below have some form of US investment

Martyn Ziegler Chief Sports Reporter
Monday March 20 2023, 7.15pm, The Times
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/topic/premier-league


The Todd Boehly-led takeover of Chelsea had all the ingredients that explain the lure of the Premier League for investors from the United States, with half the top-flight clubs now fully or partly owned by Americans.

But with a lot less razzmatazz, American investors have also been quietly snapping up EFL clubs to the point where more than a quarter of clubs in the Premier League and three divisions below it have some form of US investment.

Gillingham, Plymouth Argyle, Leyton Orient and most recently Lincoln City may not seem an obvious attraction, but a quick look at the sums involved explains why they have become so desirable.

Portsmouth is the classic example, bought by Michael Eisner, the former head of Walt Disney, for £5.67 million in 2017 with a commitment for some stadium improvements.

Remarkably, that means for the £2.5 billion price that Boehly paid for Chelsea — with some much bigger commitments for some stadium improvements — he could have bought 441 Portsmouths. Pompey may have been in League Two, about to be promoted to League One, when Eisner completed his takeover but the potential is there: it is a one-city club within Fratton Park — a stadium that holds more than 20,000 supporters.

Portsmouth was a particular bargain-basement offer but prices have risen considerably since that takeover. League One side Ipswich Town were bought by Gamechanger 20, an American consortium, for £40 million, while Crawley Town, in League Two, were bought by the cryptocurrency group Wagmi for £5 million last year.

The Americans in the EFL are buying potential without the risk — and the stakes can be high. Randy Lerner, the American credit card tycoon, reckons he lost more than £200 million over the ten years he owned Aston Villa, describing English football as sport’s Wild West “where frauds and charlatans were allowed to roam freely”.

One director of an EFL club — one of those with American investors — said: “The top clubs have either been snapped up or are too expensive, so the Americans are also looking at clubs with potential where they don’t have to risk a huge outlay.

“They can get them for a sensible price and the ultimate prize would be to reach the promised land of the Premier League. Even with League One and Two clubs, the idea is that if you are fairly sensible you can improve their situation and then sell your stake.”

One American investor cited a “big city or town, or proximity to London” as being factors in making their choice, as well as the price, which may explain why there appears to be a north-south divide with the majority of EFL clubs with American investment being in the south.

He also confirmed that the prize of reaching the Premier League was a big driver, given that it guarantees at least £200 million in TV money and parachute payments if relegated again.

“There are not many businesses where you can increase your turnover by a factor of ten in a single year,” the investor said. “Clubs such as Ipswich Town, Portsmouth, Millwall and Plymouth all have large stadiums and high attendances in the EFL, and people see what Bournemouth have achieved with a much smaller stadium.”

It is not just about the money, said the investor, there is also the romance of taking a club from a low level and the chance of getting to the top — the kind of romance that prompted the Hollywood actors Rob McElhenney and Ryan Reynolds to take over the National League side Wrexham in 2021.

The possibility of growth in media rights given the rise of streaming platforms is the main driving force for investors looking at Premier League clubs but that is almost as strong in the EFL.

Domestic TV rights income has remained level or even dipped in the past five years but many Americans are convinced that the next big jump is just around the corner, either driven by the streaming giants taking on the pay-TV broadcasters or clubs being given more flexibility to stream their own matches.

“In soccer, England is where it is at — it is seen as the best league, the one the whole world is interested in,” the investor said. “We think the possibilities for growth are there and not just in the Premier League, and we can be part of that without paying the kind of money that Chelsea cost.”

Yes, interesting. I would also highlight this:
“The top clubs have either been snapped up or are too expensive, so the Americans are also looking at clubs with potential where they don’t have to risk a huge outlay. Even with League One and Two clubs, the idea is that if you are fairly sensible you can improve their situation and then sell your stake.”
 
Is the suggestion here that simply noticing a demographic shift automatically means you’re a racist!? It sounds as though you weren’t in a position to provide an alternative answer.
Not what I was suggesting at all, though I happen to think as a fairly frequent visitor to SOS that I have a different POV.
 
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