Sturrock or The Players?

[ooh-andy-ansah]

Well the team against Chelts and against Bradford were the same. Lack of passion maybe against bradford, thinking just turning up will give them the win?

Sturrock picked the same team for both games so can't be held responsible, unless he said to them 'Look boys, a good 4-0 against chelts but I didn't like the way you passed the ball about. Hoof it about against Bradford, if we lose we lose'

You really are clueless.

So take your pick from these then tell us it wasn't Sturrock's fault.

1/ He changed tactics for an away game.

2/ He told the players to do exactly what they did against Cheltenham and they ignored his orders.

Either way the buck stops with him.

 

[BLUEBLOOD]

This is why I can't understand the Sturrock bashing after yesterdays game, it was the same team and I'm sure he wouldn't have suggested playing a completely different style as the previous game, as that didn't work did it lads!!!

Therefore I'm sure he is as frustrated as the fans; I know I would be sending the same team out and watching the horrific difference in performance. I know though are league 2 players, so you expect some inconsistency, but not to the extreme we seem to be showing!!!

But we hoofed it from the first minute yesterday ... the very first minute

IF Sturrock had been against that surely he would've been hollering and shouting at them to change, did he ??

 

[Earls Hall Blue]

This is why I can't understand the Sturrock bashing after yesterdays game, it was the same team and I'm sure he wouldn't have suggested playing a completely different style as the previous game, as that didn't work did it lads!!!

Therefore I'm sure he is as frustrated as the fans; I know I would be sending the same team out and watching the horrific difference in performance. I know though are league 2 players, so you expect some inconsistency, but not to the extreme we seem to be showing!!!

Although I didn't see this myself, does make you wonder.

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[davewebbsbrain]

You really are clueless.

So take your pick from these then tell us it wasn't Sturrock's fault.

1/ He changed tactics for an away game.

2/ He told the players to do exactly what they did against Cheltenham and they ignored his orders.

Either way the buck stops with him.

You don't like RM, you don't like Paul Sturrock...yada yada yada. You either blame one or the other for everything that you don't like about SUFC and that's not going to change

 

[ooh-andy-ansah]

You don't like RM, you don't like Paul Sturrock...yada yada yada. You either blame one or the other for everything that you don't like about SUFC and that's not going to change

Didn't think you would offer an intelligent answer.

Some clarity for you.

I despise RM

I don't rate PS but don't dislike the man

I don't rate your posts

 

[South Bank Hank]

You really are clueless.

Chill out mate. Less of this please.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

You really are clueless.

So take your pick from these then tell us it wasn't Sturrock's fault.

1/ He changed tactics for an away game.

2/ He told the players to do exactly what they did against Cheltenham and they ignored his orders.

Either way the buck stops with him.

Have you got in on authority that either of these actually happened?

It does seem that we are more positive away from home. Many say we play 4-5-1 at home and it's too defensive but do you think maybe it's more of a 4-3-3 with either the LB or RB pushing forward like a wing back and Grant maybe just holding in front of the back four on these occasions?

It's tricky to work out exactly what's going on, but without Sturrock's thoughts, ideas and tactics being publicised, we can all only summise on what we think, none of us have hard facts or can pinpoint our failures.

For me, if we can pass the ball around so well against Cheltenham, that tells me we have the players to do that. If Sturrock it telling the payers to use hoof ball and they ignore that and pass the ball around, credit to the players.

 

[Medway Blue]

Have you got in on authority that either of these actually happened?

It does seem that we are more positive away from home. Many say we play 4-5-1 at home and it's too defensive but do you think maybe it's more of a 4-3-3 with either the LB or RB pushing forward like a wing back and Grant maybe just holding in front of the back four on these occasions?

It's tricky to work out exactly what's going on, but without Sturrock's thoughts, ideas and tactics being publicised, we can all only summise on what we think, none of us have hard facts or can pinpoint our failures.

For me, if we can pass the ball around so well against Cheltenham, that tells me we have the players to do that. If Sturrock it telling the payers to use hoof ball and they ignore that and pass the ball around, credit to the players.

That's the problem. There are some intelligent football fans on this board who are fairly capable of wayching and analysing a football match closely and then disecting it afterwards. If the tactics/formations/set ups are confusing everyone on here then that should go some way towards telling you that it's all a little too intricate and complicated. Some of the players look as though they don't know what they're supposed to be doing. I can't advocate enough the return to basic 4-4-2 with 2 wingers and 2 strikers, with simple passing football. You can't do anything if you can't get the fundamentals right. It's those fundamentals that will get us out of this division!

 

[ooh-andy-ansah]

Chill out mate. Less of this please.

Don't tell me what to do, there are far worse posts on here but I don't see you having a go at them. I'm sure DWB can stick up for himself.

 

[ooh-andy-ansah]

Have you got in on authority that either of these actually happened?

It does seem that we are more positive away from home. Many say we play 4-5-1 at home and it's too defensive but do you think maybe it's more of a 4-3-3 with either the LB or RB pushing forward like a wing back and Grant maybe just holding in front of the back four on these occasions?

It's tricky to work out exactly what's going on, but without Sturrock's thoughts, ideas and tactics being publicised, we can all only summise on what we think, none of us have hard facts or can pinpoint our failures.

For me, if we can pass the ball around so well against Cheltenham, that tells me we have the players to do that. If Sturrock it telling the payers to use hoof ball and they ignore that and pass the ball around, credit to the players.

No no no no, it was 10 men against Cheltenham so that made it far easier to pass and move, more holes plus confidence was high because their keeper was so dodgy.

 

[Medway Blue]

No no no no, it was 10 men against Cheltenham so that made it far easier to pass and move, more holes plus confidence was high because their keeper was so dodgy.

I've agreed with you so far on the style of football and what not, but I do think that the Chelts performance deserves a little more credit. We have played against 10 men a good few times this season and never looked as in command and that. In fact in the several times that we have been up against 10 this season, we have looked poor. Especially away at Shrewsbury!

 

[South Bank Hank]

Don't tell me what to do, there are far worse posts on here but I don't see you having a go at them. I'm sure DWB can stick up for himself.

Actually, it was a polite request and, as an owner of the site, I'll do it again. Politely. Thank you.

I don't see every post but I do call them as I see them. I don't care about people sticking up for themselves but I do care about a forum where fellow Shrimpers show respect to each other.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

That's the problem. There are some intelligent football fans on this board who are fairly capable of wayching and analysing a football match closely and then disecting it afterwards. If the tactics/formations/set ups are confusing everyone on here then that should go some way towards telling you that it's all a little too intricate and complicated. Some of the players look as though they don't know what they're supposed to be doing. I can't advocate enough the return to basic 4-4-2 with 2 wingers and 2 strikers, with simple passing football. You can't do anything if you can't get the fundamentals right. It's those fundamentals that will get us out of this division!

I would advocate that

 

[porterman]

I think all you proven footy experts should submit your CVs for the managers/coaching staff jobs:hilarious:. Just a pity PS and GC didnt return to the plymouth job when the opportunity arose, instead they wanted to finish the job they started, tinpot club to promotion!!! Thank god they have a bit of faith in the shambles of a team that have been top of the table most of the season, you lot dont deserve to go up, bunch of moaning fans who at the beginning of the season would have been grateful for mid table. Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it :hilarious:

 

[rlb999]

Whilst we've dealt with our problems by signing a legion of centre forwards, I think a big real issue has been the Makelele factor (also known as JP Kalala being injured). Never the most exciting of players, I've always felt earlier this season that we looked more solid as a unit with him sitting in front of the back 4. I don't know why someone like Ferdinand hasn't been slotted into this role.

 

[Angell Delight]

I think most agree that we should have 2 wingers!! Hopefully we start Monday like this given suspensions:

Belford
Grant, Phillips, Barker, Hills
Hall, Timlin, Ferdinand, Martin
Eastwood, Mohsni/Harris

No chance. If Sturrock can't see what everyone else can by now then he won't ever see it. It's this mistake that will most probably render Eastwood's loan pointless and another season in L2 a near-certainty.

And the few that are criticising Eastwood (an injured Eastwood I might add) have short memories, never in his time here before did we play hoofball and if we had then my guess is he wouldn't have scored anywhere near as many as he did. Last week against Cheltenham we knocked it around well after their red card and Freddy showed his class - he's going to be ineffective if we simply pump it long all game and that's not his fault, it's Sturrock's. What Freddy showed last Friday is that we finally have a striker who will get into good positions to shoot and WILL shoot when he does, if we play football he'll get goals......play our normal hoofball and we may as well have Joe Bloggs from The Dog & Duck FC up front for all the good he will do.

Our only chance of promotion via the play-offs is to play attacking football and give the ball to Eastwood in good areas as much as we can and we're not going to do that by having a totally unbalanced midfield and a dire long-ball game. Rant over.

 

[Angell Delight]

Jim what a breath of fresh air you are, great to read a post from someone who has a good level of knowledge, players managers are human they have good and bad days, injuries and issues. Of course it was PS who kicked that player not Benyon and clohessys red card was all down to PS i would imagine, i think if more fans looked at the bigger picture or tried to learn a little more about behind the scenes they too would realise that human error and misfit players make for a less than perfect performance on the day. As for Freddy Eastwood a little effort and not to expect the ball at his feet wouldnt go amiss, he is in L2 now and must expect service from L2 players.

Sorry but I agree with JamesTheSuperBlue on this one - Eastwood relied on getting the ball to feet the last time he played in L2 with us. Not everyone plays long-ball in this league you know, infact I would suggest we are probably in the minority rather than the majority. I've seen a lot of sides come to the Hall this season and try to play football, it's just a shame we have a manager who isn't willing to do so because if we did we may just have been on the brink of promotion by now - we certainly have one of the best very best squads in this division and 5th is an underachievement.

 

[Blueshrimper]

When we went up in our last league 2 promotion it was near enough the same team every week with occasional changes. Under Sturrock there always seems to be a different team and I think that is part of the reason we struggle for consistency.

 

[canveyshrimper]

I think all you proven footy experts should submit your CVs for the managers/coaching staff jobs:hilarious:. Just a pity PS and GC didnt return to the plymouth job when the opportunity arose, instead they wanted to finish the job they started, tinpot club to promotion!!! Thank god they have a bit of faith in the shambles of a team that have been top of the table most of the season, you lot dont deserve to go up, bunch of moaning fans who at the beginning of the season would have been grateful for mid table. Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it :hilarious:

So Mr Porterman, is that the view of the manager, that we are a tinpot club? You are obviously close to Sturrock as you proved when you told us of his imminent arrival in July 2010.

FWIW most fans are quite aware that we are a small, tinpot club and we barely have a pot to **** in, but it's worth saying that PS had no other offers and if it goes tits up here, it's likely he's managing in the last chance saloon.

 

[Earls Hall Blue]

FWIW most fans are quite aware that we are a small, tinpot club and we barely have a pot to **** in, but it's worth saying that PS had no other offers and if it goes tits up here, it's likely he's managing in the last chance saloon.

Spot on.

If it does go tits up though, he could always scrape the bottom of the barrel & return to the south coast..:smile: