Student tuition fees

[chadded]

It's a strange idea called long term planning , most people prefer short sightedness as it fits in with their current plans.

Long term planning- get arrested for being a ****, hampering the ability to get a job to pay off debt. Become homeless, then die. Whilst that is what most of the students deserve, i can't help but think their long term planning is a little bit ****.

Touche.

 

[markw]

Long term planning- get arrested for being a ****, hampering the ability to get a job to pay off debt. Become homeless, then die. Whilst that is what most of the students deserve, i can't help but think their long term planning is a little bit ****.

Touche.

oo ouch :P
i personally am a student and i think this whole scheme is a good thing, means im worth more when i finish my degree

 

[OldBlueLady]

Trouble is, same as anything of this kind, it starts off as a relatively peaceful protest but then gets hijacked by people who just like to cause mayhem for the sake of it and don't really give two hoots about the actual reasons behind the protest.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Trouble is, same as anything of this kind, it starts off as a relatively peaceful protest but then gets hijacked by people who just like to cause mayhem for the sake of it and don't really give two hoots about the actual reasons behind the protest.

This is the Poll Tax-Mark 2-and it'll have the same result.:thumbsup:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Maybe so, however they've lost the argument in the way the protests have been allowed to be hijacked. For the record Labour were also committed to raise tuition fees prior to the election. And it was Labour that failed to deliver a package of cuts prior to the election because they feared being wiped out. They looked after the party rather than the country.

The Lib-Dems are between a rock and a hard place, prior to the election they could promise the earth because they had no chance of forming a government. Now they are part of a coalition and they have to face real situations, and they have to face up to it.

No,Labour was(and still is) committed to a Graduate tax,which while it may well have led to an (unjust)increase in tuition fees would not have lead to their being doubled or tripled, as is the present case, under the Tory-Lib-Dem coalition.

The Lib-Dems(RIP) are now finished as a progressive force in British politics.

 

[canveyshrimper]

This is the Poll Tax-Mark 2-and it'll have the same result.:thumbsup:

I'm willing to wager to a charity of your choice that it won't.

And for a separate discussion what was wrong with the premise of the Community Charge?

 

[canveyshrimper]

No,Labour was(and still is) committed to a Graduate tax,which while it may well have led to an (unjust)increase in tuition fees would not have lead to their being doubled or tripled, as is the present case, under the Tory-Lib-Dem coalition.

The Lib-Dems(RIP) are now finished as a progressive force in British politics.

Tell that to Alan Johnson who until his Damascene conversion on Tuesday said a graduate tax was unworkable and he's supposed to be the Shadow Chancellor. Before the election Labour were committed to raise tuition fees however Moribund junior dresses it up. As an aside how will a graduate tax work? I've not seen Labour explain this.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I'm willing to wager to a charity of your choice that it won't.

And for a separate discussion what was wrong with the premise of the Community Charge?

This one would be all but impossible to "prove" objectively.After all the poll tax itself came at the fag end of Thatcher's Goverment and wasn't even the official reason given for her demise(that was over Europe as I'm sure you'll remember Harry).Less than 6 months into the coalition the Tories are playing the Lib -Dems(Cable and Clegg included) like a musical instrument.We'll now see how long that's set to last.Will it be a full Parliamentary term,I wonder?

 

[canveyshrimper]

This one would be all but impossible to "prove" objectively.After all the poll tax itself came at the fag end of Thatcher's Goverment and wasn't even the official reason given for her demise(that was over Europe as I'm sure you'll remember Harry).Less than 6 months into the coalition the Tories are playing the Lib -Dems(Cable and Clegg included) like a musical instrument.We'll now see how long that's set to last.Will it be a full Parliamentary term,I wonder?

It was the fag end of Thatchers Premiership, as opposed to the fag end of the Conservative government who won another election under Major in 1992. If Thatcher had carried on I doubt if Kinnock would have beaten her, he was after all unelectable. However that's a different matter.

From a Lib-Dem perspective the coalition has to last the duration of this Parliament. If there's an election now I suspect the Lib-Dems will lose a lot of seats, and I'd wager the Tories may be the beneficiaries. Labour under Moribund junior are exactly that moribund, why they didn't go for some one with drive & personality like Yvette Cooper or even Moribund senior.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

It was the fag end of Thatchers Premiership, as opposed to the fag end of the Conservative government who won another election under Major in 1992. If Thatcher had carried on I doubt if Kinnock would have beaten her, he was after all unelectable. However that's a different matter.

From a Lib-Dem perspective the coalition has to last the duration of this Parliament. If there's an election now I suspect the Lib-Dems will lose a lot of seats, and I'd wager the Tories may be the beneficiaries. Labour under Moribund junior are exactly that moribund, why they didn't go for some one with drive & personality like Yvette Cooper or even Moribund senior.

I agree with most of what you say here.
If you want an interesting wager I'd certainly hope (but I'm not by any means sure)that the Tories won't win a second term in office.I'd be prepared to bet against them though-pm me if you like and we can sort out the details.

 

[osymandus]

Who has hacked Osy's account?

It's true mwhaa ha ha it is I Truebl ... no only kidding. I use nootropic's ;) Piracetam anyone ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracetam

 

[osymandus]

Long term planning- get arrested for being a ****, hampering the ability to get a job to pay off debt. Become homeless, then die. Whilst that is what most of the students deserve, i can't help but think their long term planning is a little bit ****.

Touche.

Not really , that's your perception of those who caused trouble. Also details which people ignore. Many people are complaining in the hike in fee's yet oddly very few mention 1) You pay nothing up front (except part time students) 2) You pay nothing back until you receive wages of greater then £21,000 increase every year in relation to inflation . 3) The cost of repayments are between £7-30 a month .

Lastly the big issues is actually the reduction in funding for Universities , oh and Tax avoidance .... which

can be paid by the closing of tax loop holes (some people might want to goggle the death of the Ten-Zero tax system in Guernsey , Jersey and Isle of man for a good laugh). Vince Cable and long term planning got to love a guy who Shell employed for 12 years to make them money ;)

 

[osymandus]

No,Labour was(and still is) committed to a Graduate tax,which while it may well have led to an (unjust)increase in tuition fees would not have lead to their being doubled or tripled, as is the present case, under the Tory-Lib-Dem coalition.

The Lib-Dems(RIP) are now finished as a progressive force in British politics.

As are Labour and Conservatives , their all finished as progressive forces unless they ditch their ideology lead polices . Graduate tax has been proven to be a waste of time and money , not just by Vince but other economics. And is geared more to the market forces lead education that labour adopted . Not very socialist of you was it Labour ;).

The whole system is screwed , as someone mentioned before we need to get away from what is good for a party or their followers , it's what is good for everyone and that come from the broad based coalition style politics. And the destruction of our current social systems/classes.

 

[Dick Bate's Protege]

It was the fag end of Thatchers Premiership, as opposed to the fag end of the Conservative government who won another election under Major in 1992. If Thatcher had carried on I doubt if Kinnock would have beaten her, he was after all unelectable. However that's a different matter.

From a Lib-Dem perspective the coalition has to last the duration of this Parliament. If there's an election now I suspect the Lib-Dems will lose a lot of seats, and I'd wager the Tories may be the beneficiaries. Labour under Moribund junior are exactly that moribund, why they didn't go for some one with drive & personality like Yvette Cooper or even Moribund senior.

My suspicion has always been that whenever the Tories get a sense of an outright election victory, they'll drop the Lib Dems like a bad habit. I have never thought the Coalition will serve a full term; as soon as David Miliband comes back to spoil Red Ed's party, the Tories will make their move IMO.

 

[Rayleigh boy]

100% support for students ...... particularly for those losing their EMA -

more disgraceful scenes of unbridled police brutality against kids - SHAME ON YOU -

the right to protest - WHOSE STREETS OUR STREETS -

who are the thugs covering their faces ? the Metropolitan Police -

 

[Swiss Tony]

100% support for students ...... particularly for those losing their EMA -

more disgraceful scenes of unbridled police brutality against kids - SHAME ON YOU -

the right to protest - WHOSE STREETS OUR STREETS -

who are the thugs covering their faces ? the Metropolitan Police -

I think most of the shame should be reserved for the **** ****ing up the plynth of Sir Winston Churchills statue, and David Gilmours son who decided it was a great idea to play Tarzan on the most sacred of places for our war dead,shame shame and more shame.

 

[chadded]

who are the thugs covering their faces ? the Metropolitan Police -

So, imagine you a Police Officer at a protest, are you a) Going to wear a fireproof balaclava and helmet for protection, or

b) wear nothing at all and get your head caved in?

 

[steveo]

100% support for students ...... particularly for those losing their EMA -

more disgraceful scenes of unbridled police brutality against kids - SHAME ON YOU -

the right to protest - WHOSE STREETS OUR STREETS -

who are the thugs covering their faces ? the Metropolitan Police -

This is quite simple. If the students dont like the Uni fees then dont go. Get a job like the majority of the population.

Most of these people want to go to uni to get a degree so they can get a better job and earn more money but they want the tax payer to pay for it. Ponces.
AND, the average uni student will work for maybe 16 hours a week. So why not spend the rest of the time working to earn money to pay their fees. Cos they would rather go on the **** and expect the taxpayer to pay for it.

Bunch of ****ing losers.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I think most of the shame should be reserved for the **** ****ing up the plynth of Sir Winston Churchills statue, and David Gilmours son who decided it was a great idea to play Tarzan on the most sacred of places for our war dead,shame shame and more shame.

What about the Met.Police Officer(s)whose truncheon put one student in hospital for a three hour operation requiring brain surgery?
Scum.

 

[Crabby Shrimper]

This one would be all but impossible to "prove" objectively.

So, bearing in mind you described this as, and I quote

the Poll Tax-Mark 2-and it'll have the same result.

, how do you justify that comment, and what exactly do you believe to be the result of the original Poll tax (sic)?