Stuart O'Keefe

[Ricey]

Wasn't even in the squad for Palace's game last night against Derby. Obviously really impressed Freedman with his performance against United.

 

[Rayleigh boy]

You really can't see the wood for the trees, can you:thumbdown:

not sure what you mean - I can see that RM deliberately took the club down to Lge 2 - stitched up Tilson and got lots
of people to believe he was fending off administration while sitting on the biggest pot of gold/retail site in Europe -

superb timing how the 5m quid from Sainsburys came through once he had trashed Tilson Barrat and all those other mugs -

thats a pretty big picture - large forest or enormous woods - but some suckers will think it all just happened by chance ....

all credit to sturrock for getting the wealthiest and best supported club to the top of lege 2 -

 

[Rayleigh boy]

Wasn't even in the squad for Palace's game last night against Derby. Obviously really impressed Freedman with his performance against United.

well thats the end of his career then

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Has it not been covered in another thread that james lawson is now a full-time electrician? agree with the others though

Thats shocking

 

[markw]

Thats shocking

here we go.....

 

[Silencer]

not sure what you mean - I can see that RM deliberately took the club down to Lge 2 - stitched up Tilson and got lots
of people to believe he was fending off administration while sitting on the biggest pot of gold/retail site in Europe -

superb timing how the 5m quid from Sainsburys came through once he had trashed Tilson Barrat and all those other mugs -

thats a pretty big picture - large forest or enormous woods - but some suckers will think it all just happened by chance ....

all credit to sturrock for getting the wealthiest and best supported club to the top of lege 2 -

Wow...you are the opposite of the Tilly knockers, you seem to be one of those who wear the Tilly Tinted glasses.

I have differing views on the Tilson regime as I can see the many bad errors and lack of tactical nous he had in addition to the success and love for the club.

Not a direct dig at you but I am replying as I think you comments are the most far fetched I have read on this forum.

 

[Rayleigh boy]

Wow...you are the opposite of the Tilly knockers, you seem to be one of those who wear the Tilly Tinted glasses.

I have differing views on the Tilson regime as I can see the many bad errors and lack of tactical nous he had in addition to the success and love for the club.

Not a direct dig at you but I am replying as I think you comments are the most far fetched I have read on this forum.

whats far fetched ??

 

[BLUEBLOOD]

Just a gentle reminder that if people wish to have a side debate about posting opinions/styles they should use the PM function

 

[Crabby Shrimper]

whats far fetched ??

Pretty much 90% of your previous post I'd say

 

[Firestorm]

whats far fetched ??

FF being the largest retail site in Europe ?

 

[sufc_dave]

Wasn't even in the squad for Palace's game last night against Derby. Obviously really impressed Freedman with his performance against United.

My mate is a Palace supporter and said he was the best player on the pitch against United. Most of the people on their forums are calling for him to be permanently in the squad!

 

[marky]

:thumbdown: just took a look on the palace fans website (BBS) sounds like we are missing out again THANKS RONALD

 

[Silencer]

Just Ronald?? Not also the management for lack of opportunities and instead opting to play the rubbish that was played instead of our youth product?

 

[Rayleigh boy]

FF being the largest retail site in Europe ?

yep - that is far fetched - i was actually talking about the RH site - and i think the quote was something like biggest
urban retail site - anyway whatever something worth many millioins of pounds to sainsburys who have given RM 5 million pounds in advance BUT we are still supposed to believe we are skint - ...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

if RM had come out and said i am restructuring this club by ripping up all players and mamagers contracts and getting rid of that lot and then starting again in lge 2 with the sainsburys money i would have believed him ..... it seems to be what has happened ......

whoever thought we could go into administration with sainsburys despearte for RH ........ oh yeah football fans - they could
never ever believe the beloved chairman who saved the club would ever dream of getting relegated to save money and get a wage capped squad ..... naive and stupid

 

[Jam_Man]

yep - that is far fetched - i was actually talking about the RH site - and i think the quote was something like biggest
urban retail site - anyway whatever something worth many millioins of pounds to sainsburys who have given RM 5 million pounds in advance BUT we are still supposed to believe we are skint - ...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

if RM had come out and said i am restructuring this club by ripping up all players and mamagers contracts and getting rid of that lot and then starting again in lge 2 with the sainsburys money i would have believed him ..... it seems to be what has happened ......

whoever thought we could go into administration with sainsburys despearte for RH ........ oh yeah football fans - they could
never ever believe the beloved chairman who saved the club would ever dream of getting relegated to save money and get a wage capped squad ..... naive and stupid

wow you are still saying the same thing, and as always ill remind you, we got money from sainsburies but had to pay millions in tax bills. one bill alone was 2.2 million and on top of this the club admit we lost a million a year.

when will you accept we do not have 5 million in the bank ?

as for getting relegated to save money and get a wage cap guess getting promoted wont be what the club wants this year as we will be back to where we was but with a bigger wage bill as we have a bigger squad now ?

 

[Rayleigh boy]

wow you are still saying the same thing, and as always ill remind you, we got money from sainsburies but had to pay millions in tax bills. one bill alone was 2.2 million and on top of this the club admit we lost a million a year.

when will you accept we do not have 5 million in the bank ?

as for getting relegated to save money and get a wage cap guess getting promoted wont be what the club wants this year as we will be back to where we was but with a bigger wage bill as we have a bigger squad now ?

RM told me we had to "pay millions in tax bills. one bill alone was 2.2 million and on top of this the club admit we lost a million a year."

Ron told me he saved the club too .....

and also you have only accounted for 3.2 million of the 5 MILLION pound advance from Sainsburys -

nothing personal but its not difficult to run a struggling business - even a football club - when the biggest food retailer in the country wants to buy your premises -

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz -

as for promotion RM knows he can handle that - I wouldn't be surprised if he made more personal income from the Tilson years than he did from his building companies -

 

[southendkid]

RM told me we had to "pay millions in tax bills. one bill alone was 2.2 million and on top of this the club admit we lost a million a year."

Ron told me he saved the club too .....

and also you have only accounted for 3.2 million of the 5 MILLION pound advance from Sainsburys -

nothing personal but its not difficult to run a struggling business - even a football club - when the biggest food retailer in the country wants to buy your premises -

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz -

as for promotion RM knows he can handle that - I wouldn't be surprised if he made more personal income from the Tilson years than he did from his building companies -

I'm not sure what the point of arguing is since you seem to be into wild conspiracy theories that don't make sense but here goes anyway:

• We are still making losses, just smaller losses than we were a couple of years ago. Even if we still have 1.8 million from Sainsbury (which I doubt,) we need that money to keep us afloat.
• The fact businesses close down all the time suggests it is difficult to run a struggling business. £5 million is great short term, but what happens if we don't try and stop the losses and assume everything is fine, then realise we don't have the Sainsbury money anymore? We end up going out of existence, the £5 million isn't a get out of jail free card, its a temporary reprieve so we can try and get our act together.
• Your last point confuses me, your whole argument is that we are in league 2 because of Ron's wage cap plan, yet you then say Ron can handle promotion, wants it and has probably made more income from the Tilson years than from his companies? So your saying Ron makes the most money in higher leagues, yet wanted us to be relegated twice? They are complete opposite ends of the spectrum, how can they both be true?

 

[OldBlueLady]

and what's more, stuff that's been discussed many times over elsewhere!!!

 

[chapperzUK]

Back on topic, O'Keefe started and played 77 minutes yesterday in Palace's 1-0 win. Maybe he is getting in chance now.

 

[Rayleigh boy]

I'm not sure what the point of arguing is since you seem to be into wild conspiracy theories that don't make sense but here goes anyway:

• We are still making losses, just smaller losses than we were a couple of years ago. Even if we still have 1.8 million from Sainsbury (which I doubt,) we need that money to keep us afloat.
• The fact businesses close down all the time suggests it is difficult to run a struggling business. £5 million is great short term, but what happens if we don't try and stop the losses and assume everything is fine, then realise we don't have the Sainsbury money anymore? We end up going out of existence, the £5 million isn't a get out of jail free card, its a temporary reprieve so we can try and get our act together.
• Your last point confuses me, your whole argument is that we are in league 2 because of Ron's wage cap plan, yet you then say Ron can handle promotion, wants it and has probably made more income from the Tilson years than from his companies? So your saying Ron makes the most money in higher leagues, yet wanted us to be relegated twice? They are complete opposite ends of the spectrum, how can they both be true?

I appreciate intelligent discussion -

well he wanted rid of Tilson - and he wanted rid of expensive player contracts - so he could have the sainsburys money in his warchest - not in the players pockets -

he wanted to remodel the business - the struggle for league 1 promotion is an expensive business and as soon as we were out of the cup there were no more paydays - except for Lee Barnard - ker-ching - remember all the big cash money that Tilson brought in - Man U, tottenham, Freddy eastwood, white hart lane x 2, but the big boys were all over League 1 - southampton -even Huddersfield were not getting up -

dramatising the undoubted cash flow problems allowed him to leverage the fanbase, sainsburys and to remodel the business and getting rid of Tilson was always part of that ...... no players bought, the squad stripped bare, Freedman lurking in the wings,

he could have bridged the gap between Xmas and the sainsburys money coming in - but he didn't want to - he saw a chance to clear the decks - save cash and all he had to do was to make a few appearances at the high court before paying up -

as we all know relegation became inevitable ..... his lawyers created issues and problems about settling with mamangement and staff that probably meant he only eventually paid out a low per centage of what he owed in wages - and in lge 2 you are competing with the likes of Dagenham and Redbridge -

if he was straight about it you could perhaps say fair enough - good work Ron - but he misled people and treated people dishonestly - perhaps he didn't know if the sainsbury cash was definite - but he did what he did which I don't think amny people find acceptable -

the business case for Lge 2 is unanswerable as long as you are not carrying Lge 1/champ wages ...

of course Sturrock was an absolute godsend - pratical, pragmatic, inexpensive, successful .... and grateful for the work -

looking forward RM needs the club to open up FF - without SUFC its just another retail park on greenbelt .....