TV Highlights Southend Utd 1-3 Gateshead FC

[rigsby]

...unless we're talking the save from Sam Wood that got us promotion.
While here, the pen today was a side-foot, yes, it was low in the corner, and yes it had pace, but definitely not a pile driver.
As I originally said: a minor gripe considering all else.
And we're comparing a keeper who built up a reputation as a penalty saver with a relative rookie.
I think Collin has saved one: Chertsey in the Trophy? Although there may have been others that don't immediately come to mind.

My gripe is it was never a pen in the first place. I could tell that from the back of the East greens.....The ball went wide at right angles and their players didn't appeal. Plus it was clear fouls on Gus in build up. Ref made some other shockers including not giving couple of corners.

 

[Chris Powell's mate]

My gripe is it was never a pen in the first place. I could tell that from the back of the East greens.....The ball went wide at right angles and their players didn't appeal. Plus it was clear fouls on Gus in build up. Ref made some other shockers including not giving couple of corners.

Agreed!
But we've been here before on the standard of referees in the NL. Fifth tier footballers; fifth tier officialdom.

 

[Chris Powell's mate]

My gripe is it was never a pen in the first place. I could tell that from the back of the East greens.....The ball went wide at right angles and their players didn't appeal. Plus it was clear fouls on Gus in build up. Ref made some other shockers including not giving couple of corners.

Minor gripe #2!
Notice the Gateshead players nearest D1Versity's film. I've frozen at the millisecond the ball is kicked.
Oseni (No9) isn't even pretending to start in his half.
Some refs would have re-started, but note where our whistle blower is looking. As if it matters he can see a player passing back!
Surely, a lino or himself should glance to ensure everyone started behind the line? Does it matter? Yeah, it says something about an eye for detail.

 

[Chris Powell's mate]

My gripe is it was never a pen in the first place. I could tell that from the back of the East greens.....The ball went wide at right angles and their players didn't appeal. Plus it was clear fouls on Gus in build up. Ref made some other shockers including not giving couple of corners.

D1Versity's film proves you quite right. Collin is there someway ahead to tip the ball away.

 

[Holy Joe]

D1Versity's film proves you quite right. Collin is there someway ahead to tip the ball away.

I posted on the D1versity thread. It's really not clear cut to me. I've paused it, moved it frame by frame. On the pause, and zoomed in, it looks like the forward maybe just gets to the ball before Collin (picture of this in the aforementioned thread) But in motion the way the ball fires off to the side makes it look like Collin got there first - which was my opinion live and from the TV replays, without freeze frame and zooming in.

So I've gone from thinking wasn't a pen to no idea -its very close. Doesn't seem to be any appeals from any players from either side - which in some ways is good as refs have a hard enough time as it is.

 

[rayleigh dan]

I posted on the D1versity thread. It's really not clear cut to me. I've paused it, moved it frame by frame. On the pause, and zoomed in, it looks like the forward maybe just gets to the ball before Collin (picture of this in the aforementioned thread) But in motion the way the ball fires off to the side makes it look like Collin got there first - which was my opinion live and from the TV replays, without freeze frame and zooming in.

So I've gone from thinking wasn't a pen to no idea -its very close. Doesn't seem to be any appeals from any players from either side - which in some ways is good as refs have a hard enough time as it is.

Agreed. I’ve gone from thinking it was clear pen in real time, to thinking definitely not from the official highlights, then from D1versity’s video, I’m not too sure again! Even though the ref was poor today IMO, it does show the officials have a tough job making the decision in real time.

 

[Chris Powell's mate]

I posted on the D1versity thread. It's really not clear cut to me. I've paused it, moved it frame by frame. On the pause, and zoomed in, it looks like the forward maybe just gets to the ball before Collin (picture of this in the aforementioned thread) But in motion the way the ball fires off to the side makes it look like Collin got there first - which was my opinion live and from the TV replays, without freeze frame and zooming in.

So I've gone from thinking wasn't a pen to no idea -its very close. Doesn't seem to be any appeals from any players from either side - which in some ways is good as refs have a hard enough time as it is.

There's yet another view of it from behind the goal from a Gateshead fan attached.
The ball moves sharp left as the camera sees it, and it isn't from Oseni: it's Collin parrying it away.
Interesting to note is the long ball leaves the ref nowhere in sight.
Even on the official highlights our man is not even in the frame. I make him 30 yards from the action at least.
Does it matter in the scope of things? Well, it was the turning point in the game.

 

[Target man]

There's yet another view of it from behind the goal from a Gateshead fan attached.
The ball moves sharp left as the camera sees it, and it isn't from Oseni: it's Collin parrying it away.
Interesting to note is the long ball leaves the ref nowhere in sight.
Even on the official highlights our man is not even in the frame. I make him 30 yards from the action at least.
Does it matter in the scope of things? Well, it was the turning point in the game.

Having watched this angle, I am even more convinced it is not a penalty. Was it a game changer? Possibly ... but then I could see a goal coming anyway.

 

[Leigh_Seasider]

Having watched this angle, I am even more convinced it is not a penalty. Was it a game changer? Possibly ... but then I could see a goal coming anyway.

They would’ve scored definitely. At the end of the day it’s always going to look bad a player going down like that in the box, one on one with the keeper. Ref if in doubt would usually give it, so wasn’t surprised.

 

[Mick]

Minor gripe #2!
Notice the Gateshead players nearest D1Versity's film. I've frozen at the millisecond the ball is kicked.
Oseni (No9) isn't even pretending to start in his half.
Some refs would have re-started, but note where our whistle blower is looking. As if it matters he can see a player passing back!
Surely, a lino or himself should glance to ensure everyone started behind the line? Does it matter? Yeah, it says something about an eye for detail.

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The millisecond ? Really?

A picture showing the ball as it's being played on the centre spot would be more useful in determining whether their forward stole a yard and a half or not.

Assuming this is the kick-off rather than restart after our goal, most referees would probably not want their very first decision to be a restart and be accused of nit-picking.

We've lost, we've played badly let's blame the referee.

 

[LBBlue]

Having watched this angle, I am even more convinced it is not a penalty. Was it a game changer? Possibly ... but then I could see a goal coming anyway.

Collin clearly gets the ball and pushes it away - it’s the only way the ball could have ended up where it went and at the pace it was going and the forward tumbles over him.

Off course he wouldn’t have tumbled over Collin if Collin hadn’t been there - so have the rules changed so that if you win the ball and the opponent falls into you it’s a foul. Football is rapidly becoming a non contact sport unless you are holding and pushing, so many decent tackles get given as fouls these days- it’s becoming a game for prima donas.

 

[Target man]

The millisecond ? Really?

A picture showing the ball as it's being played on the centre spot would be more useful in determining whether their forward stole a yard and a half or not.

Assuming this is the kick-off rather than restart after our goal, most referees would probably not want their very first decision to be a restart and be accused of nit-picking.

We've lost, we've played badly let's blame the referee.

I agree.

I believe the ref did get it wrong, BUT, he doesn't have the benefit of the millisecond freeze frame, only real time, and as a football fan I don't want to see the corruption that is VAR in the National League. It's an error, but he's human and humans will make them. It was one moment in the game, and we contributed to that loss for many other reasons. We cannot keep blaming the officials.

 

[Chris Powell's mate]

The millisecond ? Really?

A picture showing the ball as it's being played on the centre spot would be more useful in determining whether their forward stole a yard and a half or not.

Assuming this is the kick-off rather than restart after our goal, most referees would probably not want their very first decision to be a restart and be accused of nit-picking.

We've lost, we've played badly let's blame the referee.

Couldn't actually freeze it that well, but yeah, a fragment of a second's difference: view it for yourself.
It was the game's kick-off, btw, should have made that clear.
I originally said some refs would have asked for a restart simply to let players know they were on it.
Oseni has a 6-10 yard jump; again have a look: it's called taking liberties and officials are there to stop it.
You're right, we did play badly and deserved to lose, but the final nail was the pen that wasn't.

 

[Chris Powell's mate]

They would’ve scored definitely. At the end of the day it’s always going to look bad a player going down like that in the box, one on one with the keeper. Ref if in doubt would usually give it, so wasn’t surprised.

I think you'll find refs are instructed to give only what they're certain of - and not what they doubt.
But yeah, the current vogue is to award spot kicks if a player goes down in the box.
It's a bit like the slightest challenge on a keeper from a high ball sees him get the FK.

 

[Flinty]

Being in East blacks I was probably as far away as possible from the penalty incident, but I wasn’t sure it was at the time. Having now seen replays it still didn’t seem to be a penalty and that Collin deflected it away before the striker fell over him. That said, Collins reaction at the time looked like he knew it was a penalty and it seemed he was more worried about a red card. So in summary I would say in all probability it was a penalty purely based on the players reaction

 

[RHB]

Being in East blacks I was probably as far away as possible from the penalty incident, but I wasn’t sure it was at the time. Having now seen replays it still didn’t seem to be a penalty and that Collin deflected it away before the striker fell over him. That said, Collins reaction at the time looked like he knew it was a penalty and it seemed he was more worried about a red card. So in summary I would say in all probability it was a penalty purely based on the players reaction

Do you reckon? I always look guilty each time I'm told off by Mrs RHB, often when I've done nothing wrong! So on that basis, the ref was a total **** and it wasn't a penalty.

 

[They Call It Madness!!!]

Striker definitely touched it first, ball spins away however did Collin then touch it? I think he did.

Who cares now!

We got what we deserved. We need to do much better all over the pitch.

 

[ColinMorrisWalksOnWater]

Glad I was away this weekend and missed the game, Sounds grim.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

Our defending was like watching a 4th division pub side over at Jones Memorial, on a cold winters morning.

I do hope Kev and the management team give this lot some tough love, because that defending and goalkeeping just isn't good enough for a club likes ours which surely holds higher standards than this joke of a performance?.

 

[Leeboy]

Glad I was away this weekend and missed the game, Sounds grim.

same here! Had a much better less stressful day

back on Saturday though