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Post-Match Thread and Ratings Southend United 2-2 Brentford

A game of two halves.......why????

It really was that old cliche ' a game of two halves' going from the quite ridiculous to the at times sublime.

With all the 'Believe' papers blowing in the wind at half time it was little wonder some, inlcuding the Big Shrimp folded the sheet to read 'lie' more in honour of Ron than the team although all the hype about there being a belief that avoiding relegation was a distinct possibility obviously was not shared by the players, certainly after the first half display!

The ball distribution was very poor with overhit passes which once again I think was not helped by the stupidity of always watering the pitch before each half commences. Without the water the ball may have held up a little and given players more of a chance. Our apparent inability to pass along the ground at a sensible pace makes it so difficult for the receiving player to control the ball. Macca was guilty of this so many times with half volleyed passes to chest rather than feet.

The second half was all we had hoped for in terms of effort and excitement. It was not wrong to have expected this level of commitment from the kick off and we did well to come back into the game, probably should have won it with the Vernon headed chance at the end.

Their second goal was down to the very poor control of Grant although you cannot fault his effort throughout the match albeit his shooting attempts from distance were questionable.

Christophe was poor throughout although the team generally are as expected struggling with confidence, the hit and hope kicks up field was clear evidence of this.

Laurent did what he has the capability to do when he puts his mind to it and was a threat throughout. The first goal needed that deflection but apart from that he made some scintilating runs, missed some excellent chances, including in the first half when he should have placed not blasted the ball but really far far to late in the season to show us what he can really do!

Results elsewhere went against us last night so I think it is far too steep a hill to climb to avoid relegation which is sad. We should on paper anyway be too good to go down but football is littered with teams 'too good' to be relegated.

Shame but I wonder if the inevitability of relegaton will influence how Ronnie acts today at court as I believe staying up was key to his long term plan?

My ratings....

Mildy ~ 7 ~ did all expected of him with a great save at the end when their player was through. Did rant a bit when the ball was knocked out of his hands.....
Francis ~ 7 ~ has become more consistent as the season goes on. Some great tackles and reasonable distribution.
M'Voto ~ 6 ~ did ok but for a big guy does not dominate the attacker, even the diminutive McDonald.....
Baldwin ~ 7 ~ similar to M'Voto regarding Mc but a good game generally apart from the little up in the air sequence in the first half!
Herd ~ 7 ~ great throws and a good game in the second half especially
Moussa ~ 7 ~ some good runs although the enforced layoff due to suspension did tell in the first half.
Macca ~ 6 ~ some good Macca of old runs but I did think he would be sent off as he does not learn to keep his mouth shut and wound up the ref troughout.
Grant ~ 7 ~ for the effort throughout but he does turn into trouble so often when an easy layoff opportunity is there, their second goal was down to him!
Christophe ~ 4 ~ off the pace, poor quality passing throughout..........poor!
Vernon ~ 6 ~ did ok but does not challenge wholeheartedly in my view, leaps like Barney with little chance of really getting the ball, should have scored late on.
Laurent ~ 8 and MOM ~ his 'good game' of the season, he usually has one! Looked all over the place in the first half but played really well in the second passing the ball a bit more than usual. Deserved his goals but perhaps should have had a third from the numerous chances.

Cannot see many of the above team being with us next season, the loanees will go back to their respective clubs and would not be surprised if Mildy, Francis, Laurent and possibly Macca and Moussa do not want hang around.

Well done last night, some faith restored but we have to face up to the inevitability of the second division next year which is so so sad.........
 
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Am i missing something? How the hell does laurent get 8,s and 9,s and mvoto get 6,s? Laurent as always was shocking. If wasnt for his inability to score from like 2 yards or set up a team mate then we would have won. His finishing was abysmal as it has been all season. Mvoto had a great game and won evertyhing ala sodje. He cant be blamed for there second as they just broke through sloppy midfield play and left mvoto with two players to mark, one of which is ex premier league and finished like 1. Special mention for grant. He was great last night a was franno and we will do well to keep them for league 2
 
All I can say is Brentford had 4 attempts on goal and scored with 2, we must of had at least a dozen if not more and only scored 2, there tells you a story. Laurent scored 2 but at least should of had 4, how he managed to balloon the chance in the first half so far over the bar when 10 yards out and under no pressure I will never know. Vernon missed a great chance in second half while Macca had 3 attempts that where high wide and handsome (tip for our Irish midfielder, reduce the power and focus on hitting the target)

300 games and Tilly still hasnt got a scooby about subs, tonight we needed a win, one point is no good, so why not throw a third striker on for the last 15 mins, he has 2 siting on the bench

I am sure 6,500 others are thinking the same thing and that for me was the bigges frustration
 
I've got to admit that I was very surprised with the team selection to start with. Not to start with two recognised strikers in a game that we must win was a poor decision from Tilly. That coupled with probably the worst first half of football I have seen in a long time at RH really got me thinking whether or not Tilly actually picks the team or as and when his 'more senior' pro's are available they pick themselves?

All round we were poor, yes we showed spirit in the second half, but why wait till the second half? We need to be at it hammers and tongs from minute one, and that just didn't happen.

I'll now be negative to start with. Grant, yes you had some nice touches and fought hard, but you blew the game for us trying to play your way out of trouble in the middle of the park, lost the ball and Brentford got their second goal, terrible. JFC and Moose, didn't know either of you were on the park, Moose you have no excuse just coming back from a ban and should have been more up for it. JFC, shocking, simply the worst midfielder I have seen for some time. Macca, headless. Vernon, absolutely ZERO goal threat, has a nice touch and holds the ball well, but seriously needed a striker beside him.

The good, Mvoto showed me that he does have some serious defensive skills - he needed that after his last horrendous display against Hartlepool. Francis, is a class act the best player on the pitch by far. Baldwin, solid.

Tilly didn't get it right for me, should have had two out and out strikers from the start, and should have made changes with time running out, fresh legs could have made all the difference. All this 'didn't want to change the dynamics of the side at that time' is absolute bo**ocks, we needed another goal, it wasn't coming, simple make a substitution and keep your fingers crossed. We didn't, and didn't score, got all we deserved.

So very, very disapponted.
 
Mildy 6
Francis 8
Baldwin 6
mvoto 7
herd 6
macca 6
grant 8.5
christophe 3
moussa 6
vernon 6
laurant 7.5

tilson 4

Ref 4

Linesmen 4

Crowd 7
 
This was the first game I've been able to make it too in an absolute age, and the first half we really did look like relegation fodder, but we improved immeasurably in the secondhalf and really put up a fight.

Mildenhall 8 - Came up with two superb late saves to keep us in it.
Francis 8 - Was exposed too much in the first half, second half he was superb.
Herd 8.5 - One of the few players to come out of the 1st half with any credit, he's matured alot since I last saw him play. Keep it up Johnny!
Baldwin 7 - Archetypal CB performance, barely noticed he was there.
M'Voto 7.5 - After I'd heard the reorts of his demise his 2nd half performance was excellent, bullyed the forwards superbly.
JFC 5.5 - terrible first half, slight improvement in 2nd half, give him some credit he did break up the Brentford play and that's what he's there for.
Macca 6.5 - Like most he had a poor 1st half, then improved, his short range passing was decent but for the sake of my sanity he should be banned from shooting. Just not he player he was in his pomp. Sad.
Grant 8.5 MOM - 1st period he tucked in too much and left Franno exposed, but second half he was immense and controlled the game.
Moussa 8 - Quiet start but an inspired second half, created two assists, passed and moved, wanted the ball, ran at people, even tackled well and won the ball.
Vernon 4 - 1st period was the worst striking performance I've ever seen at the Hall, i give him a little credit for holding the ball up well in the secondhalf, but he's slow, indecisive and can't shoot for ****.
Laurent 7.5 - Totally schizophrenic player, first half he was his lazy self, but he did seem to pick up when I balled him out for a particularly halfhearted jog after ther ball (I was front row of East stand and I'm sure he heard me). 2nd half was full of his old tricks, tormenting the Bees defence and scored our goals. VIVE LA FRANCE!

Should Tilly have made subs? Possibly (anyone for Vernon), but I can understand why he didn't, we did look well balanced in the 2nd half, taking off Jeff for a striker would have reduced the midfileds ability to get forward.

If only we had more players to use, because if Grant & Moussa had been in the middle we would have won.
 
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In hindsight, I probably shouldn't have gone but I'm glad I did, left a little early to avoid being caught up in the crush so apologies to those around me for commiting this terrible sin!

Mildy - 6, just didn't notice him much, apart from picking the ball out of the net twice, one pretty good save I think
Franno - 8 MOTM, back in his normal position and with Grant in front of him worked well, although he did get caught out of position a few times
M'voto - 7.5, welcome back to form Jean-Yves, this was the Beast back to how he was pre Brighton away
Baldwin - 7, calm and assured even when he cocked up a couple of clearances
Herd - 6.5, looked to be having a torrid time against their winger, learn to tackle Johnny boy, you can't keep backing off
Grant - 7.5, 1st half wasn't good but blimey, did he make up for it in the 2nd. Linked well with Franno and Macca on countless occasions
Macca - 7, instrumental in almost every attack in the 2nd half, played some lovely visionary passes through the middle to beat the offside trap (if the linesman had understood the rule!) and just missed with a well worked free kick
JFC - 6, thought he did ok, but he's much more of a sweeper than a CM. Heads the ball well
Moussa - 6.5, didn't notice him much apart from the assists, kept wandering into the middle leaving Herd exposed though
Vernon - 6.5, does well with his back to goal and works hard to turn, but was being marked very tightly and nothing came off for him
Laurent - 7.5, love him, I commented to my dad who can't stand him that he needed a goal for his confidence. So he got two and they were well deserved, please get behind the guy, he's amazing to watch!!!

Officials - 4, thought Mr Kettle did ok, he was actually joking around with Macca a lot so the booking was unfortunate. West lino was crap.

TBV - 10, well done everyone, lifted the players and the atmosphere.
 
I've got to admit that I was very surprised with the team selection to start with. Not to start with two recognised strikers in a game that we must win was a poor decision from Tilly. That coupled with probably the worst first half of football I have seen in a long time at RH really got me thinking whether or not Tilly actually picks the team or as and when his 'more senior' pro's are available they pick themselves?

All round we were poor, yes we showed spirit in the second half, but why wait till the second half? We need to be at it hammers and tongs from minute one, and that just didn't happen.

I'll now be negative to start with. Grant, yes you had some nice touches and fought hard, but you blew the game for us trying to play your way out of trouble in the middle of the park, lost the ball and Brentford got their second goal, terrible. JFC and Moose, didn't know either of you were on the park, Moose you have no excuse just coming back from a ban and should have been more up for it. JFC, shocking, simply the worst midfielder I have seen for some time. Macca, headless. Vernon, absolutely ZERO goal threat, has a nice touch and holds the ball well, but seriously needed a striker beside him.

The good, Mvoto showed me that he does have some serious defensive skills - he needed that after his last horrendous display against Hartlepool. Francis, is a class act the best player on the pitch by far. Baldwin, solid.

Tilly didn't get it right for me, should have had two out and out strikers from the start, and should have made changes with time running out, fresh legs could have made all the difference. All this 'didn't want to change the dynamics of the side at that time' is absolute bo**ocks, we needed another goal, it wasn't coming, simple make a substitution and keep your fingers crossed. We didn't, and didn't score, got all we deserved.

So very, very disapponted.
Couldn't disagree more about the striker issue. Paterson has been pants when he has come on for us and couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo. 2 goals in 12 appearances (5 as sub) tells its own story. Tilly was right to leave it the way it was. We were all over them - why change it? It nearly came off and Laurent scored two goals surely justifying the decision to play him up front. Moose had two assists - good job I say.
I agree about Christophe though - he was awful. I would rather have O'Keefe personally.
 
Obl are you insane. Macca had a shocking game. Was very lucky to stay on the pitch. After getting booked AGAIN he then diliberately tripped an opposition player and was very lucky to stay on. His shooting was horrific and i lost count how many times he blindly passed the ball and lost us possession. He was poor last night
 
Macca wasn't shocking all game... He had a woefully anonymous final 20 minutes or so, probably quiet because he picked up the booking. That said, he wasn't great and to say he was better than Moussa last night is ludicrous.

I thought, especially in the second half, we coped reasonably well with one of the better organised teams in the division and who have kept teams better than us at bay all year. Defensively we looked prone when caught on the break, but apart from that we looked solid which is encouraging.

Mildenhall - 7 - Made some very clinical saves and couldn't do much to keep the two goals out as they were brilliant finishes.
Francis - 8 - Great delivery, great awareness and great vision.
Baldwin - 7 - Solid as ever, but slightly loose in possession and gave the ball away a few times.
M'voto - 7 - Back to the M'voto of old which is pleasing to see. Especially in the first half when Scott had to drop MacDonald deeper as he was getting no joy.
Herd - 7 - His set piece delivery was much improved last night and he did well enough, caught for pace for their first, though.
Moussa - 8 - Quiet first half, brilliant second. Great work rate, ran at defenders, made clever passes and generally looked a threat.
Macca - 6.5 - Wasn't really effective and should've been subbed for O'Keefe.
Grant - 9 MOM - What a performance.
Christophe - 6 - A performance that typified him, really. Great at breaking up play and making a nuisance of himself, but he can't pass for toffee.
Laurent - 7.5 - Two goals and he looked effective in glimpses. Hopefully that should boost his confidence and he can get back to skinning full backs.
Vernon - 6 - The worst of a good performance. He held the ball up well and looked to bring in the key players, but he was pretty toothless.
 
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Couldn't disagree more about the striker issue. Paterson has been pants when he has come on for us and couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo. 2 goals in 12 appearances (5 as sub) tells its own story. Tilly was right to leave it the way it was. We were all over them - why change it? It nearly came off and Laurent scored two goals surely justifying the decision to play him up front. Moose had two assists - good job I say.
I agree about Christophe though - he was awful. I would rather have O'Keefe personally.

Sorry my friend, completely 100% disagree with you!

Paterson has imo looked the part, and given more opportunities I think will score a lot more goals for us. As far as I am concerned he brings a lot more to the party than Vernon, who holds the ball up well, but has absolutely no goal threat whatsoever. Not playing with two strikers in a game of last nights importance was wrong (again imho). Not bringing a striker on to try and win the game, again imho was wrong. Laurent had probably his best 45 mins for the club last night. He's had 40 other games to do the same and failed miserably in the majority.

'We were all over them', can't agree with this. Yes, we played with a higher and far better tempo in the second half, but they probably had the best chance to score in the last minute when they broke away. Game was in the balanace throughout.

'It nearly came off', but it didn't my friend. Maybe if we had played with the same desire in the first half we may have got something from the game, but we didn't, we are a poor team with one or two half decent individuals. Nearly is not good enough.

Thoroughly enjoy the different opinions that people have!
 
Interesting bit from the match report on the OS:

"Jean-Francois Christophe came close from a free kick, with his shot from a tight angle blocked by Mildenhall before seven minutes of added on time was displayed by the fourth official."

:unsure: I know I left a bit early, but I swear I never saw this!!!

p.s. What had Moussa done with his hair???
 
p.s. What had Moussa done with his hair???

He looked like one of those grow your own cress heads!

cresshead.jpg
 
Mildy 7 - Couple of good saves near the end
Francis 8 - Another assured performance
Baldwin 6.5 - Defended ok , distribution awful
M'Voto 7 - Much improved from him
Herd 6.5 - Did ok , doesn't defend well enough
Grant 8 MOTM - Would have been a 9 except caught in possession for Brentford's 2nd goal. Fantastic energy, skill and commitment
Macca 7 - Thought he did ok , silly booking. Shooting erratic as ever but one screamer just over the bar
Moussa 7.5 - Looked dangerous running at opponents in second half , extra half mark for two assists
Christophe 6 - Breaks up play ok but passing dreadful. Also turns slower than the Titanic !
Laurent 7 - Usual laugh-a-minute performance. Couple of brilliant runs with head down. First goal deflection , second a tap-in.
Vernon 6.5 - Holds the ball up well but never looks dangerous at the business end


Ref (Kettle) 7 - Good game for a change !

West Side Lino 2 - How did he get the job ? ABYSMAL
 
Interesting to note, we've still never lost a game with Kettle in charge, 7 wins 4 draws.. Also his 2nd decent game at the Hall in 2 visits....
 
Obl are you insane. Macca had a shocking game. Was very lucky to stay on the pitch. After getting booked AGAIN he then diliberately tripped an opposition player and was very lucky to stay on. His shooting was horrific and i lost count how many times he blindly passed the ball and lost us possession. He was poor last night

I dont agree with that at all, he was one of our most fired up players and gave 100%.

Not every pass came off but he wasnt the only one guilty of that, Grant lost the ball that cost us the second goal for example.

McCormacks problem yesterday was he was playing with Christophe who contributed nothing, if he had a decent player next to him he wouldnt be getting this stick.
 
Obl are you insane. Macca had a shocking game. Was very lucky to stay on the pitch. After getting booked AGAIN he then diliberately tripped an opposition player and was very lucky to stay on. His shooting was horrific and i lost count how many times he blindly passed the ball and lost us possession. He was poor last night

I agree, but there is no arguing with OBL, she has rose tinted glasses when it comes to Macca. He never does any wrong. Unfortunately, if you point this out to her, you are accused of causing a row with her.
 
Sorry my friend, completely 100% disagree with you!

Paterson has imo looked the part, and given more opportunities I think will score a lot more goals for us. As far as I am concerned he brings a lot more to the party than Vernon, who holds the ball up well, but has absolutely no goal threat whatsoever. Not playing with two strikers in a game of last nights importance was wrong (again imho). Not bringing a striker on to try and win the game, again imho was wrong. Laurent had probably his best 45 mins for the club last night. He's had 40 other games to do the same and failed miserably in the majority.

'We were all over them', can't agree with this. Yes, we played with a higher and far better tempo in the second half, but they probably had the best chance to score in the last minute when they broke away. Game was in the balanace throughout.

'It nearly came off', but it didn't my friend. Maybe if we had played with the same desire in the first half we may have got something from the game, but we didn't, we are a poor team with one or two half decent individuals. Nearly is not good enough.

Thoroughly enjoy the different opinions that people have!

The only reason they had that chance because we were going all out for the win.

Other than that and the goal did they threaten at all in the second half? No they didnt.

They barely threatened us in the first half when we were absolutely terrible.

First half neither team threatened and whilst we may not have been "all over them" we were definitely the better team and thats the frustating thing. We are awful until we score then always play better, look at Carlisle, totally useless, score one and then completely dominate the game until we go to 10 men.

Whilst our team is very mediocre in some places we are a decent League One side IF we had confidence and should be mid table easily. Sadly the off the field issues have totally wrecked the teams ability to play with any confidence and thats why we are where we are now.
 
i have to say i cannot believe some of the high scores on here to be honest. i'm thinking what did some of you watch last night and if you think some of those performances where 7's then maybe you belong in league 2.

christophe is a joke of a player, macca is not even half the player he used to be who gives the ball away countless times, he only goes sideways and i can't remember the last time he hit the target.

grant and franno are our best players and can't see us keeping hold of them at the end of the season. god i hope i am wrong though. vernon likes going to wrong way and has no goal threat at all. even though laurent scored twice lets be honest he was terrible last night. he could have easily laid the ball in the first half off to moose for a clear shot but hogged it and lost the ball all the time.

mildy done ok i think and i would be happy with him in goal next season. also thought mvoto in the second half was a rock, he won everything and i hope he carries on where he left off.

the passion and pride is a big problem, the first half was truly hard the watch, it meant so much to us to win but they didnt look bothered
 
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