Post-Match Thread and Ratings Southend United 1-1 Wycombe Wanderers

[bazzashrimper]

Mildy 6

Sankofa 5
Francis 5
Barrett 5
Malone 5

Grant 6
Macca 7
Moussa 5.5
Laurent 6
Scannell 6

Paterson 6

Subs
Freedman 5.5
Walker 5
Spencer 5.5


Macca marked down 1 for a poor last 20 mins, and Mildy marked up 1 for a good last 20.

Both new lads showed a nice touch - promising for the future.

Malone is no better than Herd - nor does he have a dangerous throw.

Can't understand the formation at home vs second bottom

We never look good at home with Sankofa at right back. Hopefully this centre back will sign so we can shift francis back over. Also, we have no left sided (footed) midfielders - we really should be looking to get one in to give us balance!

 

[Tommy2holes]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy2holes
Mate i dont how long you have been going to see the blues but believe me when i say i have seen the worst days of this clubs history. I have been all over the country and seen us lose pretty much everywhere. I will support any team that gives 100% regardless of quality, but today there were players going through the motions. If we are to survive this year then pedestrians are not invited. Unfortunately we have some right old **** in our team. But if they give there maximum each and every game then they will get my support.

I started when we were in Division 3 (back in 2001ish). To be honest, I would love to go to more away games but I simply can not afford it.

Yeah that makes two of us.

I went nearly a whole season in the 90's without seeing an away win and i went every away game.

Now days i cant be arsed to go to millwall tuesday.
I have been there 3-4 times already and never seen us win.

I have seen home games in the late 90's with crowds under 3k.

I have seen some real **** southend united teams over the years( aswell as good)

This team is nowhere near as bad in terms of quality but todays showing lacked passion and commitment and i cant except that from any southend united team.

"Go and support the hammers" Not even if we were ryman league.

 

[bazzashrimper]

Wasn't exactly surprised to see Tilson opt for the 4-5-1 as I could see his thinking behind it... Allow Laurent and Scannell to run at their two full backs, close down their midfield (where they were undoubtedly strongest) and mount continuous pressure. Unfortunately for us, neither Scannell or Laurent turned up, isolating Paterson, and the midfield was left toil with no outlet.

I see the logic, but it's supposed to be 4-5-1 when they have the ball, and 4-3-3 when we have the ball. In that formation, the 2 wide players have to be fit and prepared to do lots of running. Scannell isn't fit and Laurent isn't prepared to do lots of running. We need a formation to suit the players

 

[chapperzUK]

Yeah that makes two of us.

I went nearly a whole season in the 90's without seeing an away win and i went every away game.

Now days i cant be arsed to go to millwall tuesday.
I have been there 3-4 times already and never seen us win.

I have seen home games in the late 90's with crowds under 3k.

I have seen some real **** southend united teams over the years( aswell as good)

This team is nowhere near as bad in terms of quality but todays showing lacked passion and commitment and i cant except that from any southend united team.

"Go and support the hammers" Not even if we were ryman league.

By the way. That last bit wasn't actually aimed at you it was just in generally, I should have made that clearer.

 

[Richard_Cadette]

I honestly think some people judge players performances on what has gone before, rather than being able to forget the past, and offer opinions on purely what they see.

I am not a fan of Sankofa - In fact, I have thought him to be a very, very poor signing by Tilly, but today, he was IMO outstanding, and easily our Man of the Match, and yet only one other person on here has recognised how well he played, and givin him a rating of 7. Going forward, especially in the first half, he was superb - overlapping, running past their full back, and delivering some wonderful crosses, only for our lack of bodies to cost us from taking advantage.

I usually shake with fear when Sankofa is playing right back, and it almost always results in us being completely stifled going forward on the right, but today was an exception, and he has to receive enormous praise for doing something which obviously does not come natrually to him.

As for the rest - All as poor as each other. The choice of formation was just bizarre considering we're going in at home against a team entrenched in the relegation zone, and have two new strikers. It's bad enough playing that formation when the lone striker has 17 goals to your name, when playing away at the league's top scorers, but today? Why?

Matt Pattersion barely had enough time to get on first name terms with his mates, let alone have to come into a side, and be the lone striker in a team already struggling for confidence. Even more bizarre, perhaps, was the decision to leave Spencer (4 goals in 2 games and 20 minues inc reserves) on the bench? Surely at home, you'd want to play two strikers, especially when you've just sold your only source of goals.

The formation, and the added worry of no Barnard, clearly caused the team to play with almost no confidence, and despite some nice early football, it soon became clear we were going to struggle, and in the end, we were extremely lucky to get away with a point - Can't remember the last time I saw a team that low piling on the pressure to get a winner at the end rather than hold out for a point - Good luck to them.

We have got a lot of work to do if we're to get out of this rut, and without being overly pessimistic, I just don't see where the goals are going to come from - or, for that matter, our ability to stop them at the other end.

More players need to be brought in in January, we are crying out for a midfielder who can pass the ball, and unless we get them, I see us going very close to the wire.

 

[ozzy-shrimper]

If you gave Scannell a 5 or over you clearly weren't watching the same game. I can't understand why anyone would defend his performance today. He wasn't interested, had a shocking touch, didn't put one decent cross in, didn't beat one player.. Not sure when he gave lewis hunt problems as some have been saying. If running straight at a player is calling them problems then fair enough. Send him back to the conference ASAP.

 

[Richard_Cadette]

If you gave Scannell a 5 or over you clearly weren't watching the same game. I can't understand why anyone would defend his performance today. He wasn't interested, had a shocking touch, didn't put one decent cross in, didn't beat one player.. Not sure when he gave lewis hunt problems as some have been saying. If running straight at a player is calling them problems then fair enough. Send him back to the conference ASAP.

Actually, what you just did there was sum up perfectly Laurent's performance today... Only with even less effort.

 

[chapperzUK]

Actually, what you just did there was sum up perfectly Laurent's performance today... Only with even less effort.

Only Laurent actually beat a man and put in a few crosses. Also he cut inside which allowed Sankofa to cross, and Macca scored.

 

[Richard_Cadette]

Only Laurent actually beat a man and put in a few crosses. Also he cut inside which allowed Sankofa to cross, and Macca scored.

He did, but his wilful display of lethary in the first half when "attempting" to win the ball back from their centre half, and just giving up, will be remembered by me for a long time - it was shameful.

Was Scannell not instrumental in creating the chance from which Laurent missed from 4 yards?

Oddly, I'm not a fan of Scannell, and I'm a massive fan of Laurent!!

 

[jamesmut2000]

He did, but his wilful display of lethary in the first half when "attempting" to win the ball back from their centre half, and just giving up, will be remembered by me for a long time - it was shameful.

Was Scannell not instrumental in creating the chance from which Laurent missed from 4 yards?

Oddly, I'm not a fan of Scannell, and I'm a massive fan of Laurent!!

Yes he was - although if you wanted to be picky it was Macca's first shocking attempt from Scannells cross that led to Laurent hitting one of the flats behind the stand!:whistling:

 

[Frankie the half breed]

Ratings :

Mildenhall, 7 - Made some quality saves! But some dodgy kicks and saves, could of been better but today i thought he done good.

Sankofa, 6.5 - Played very average but played well enough.. good ball to macca to set up the first goal!

Francis, 7.5 - Thought he played good today, done well defensively which was good.

Barrett, 6.5 - Average, good captain love the guy, couldn't chose a better captain but today i thought he could of been better in defence. But some good runs on the ball and could see him trying to push up and get the team working.

Malone, 7.5 - Played above average and has great touches on the ball and working well on the left. He can defend and attack which is what we need, a good left back.

Laurent, 6 - Some awful touches and looked very lazy which is a shame, but then again in the second half he showed his pace in some attacks. But just wasn't good enough. Missed an absolute gift! :(

Grant, 7 - Some good passes, and a really good tackle late in the game! I think he's a good player and we need him in our squad!

Mccormack, 7 - A good sense of attack from him today, was going up alot and a good header to score. Always looking to pass and stretch the midfield, but wasn't his best peformance.

Moussa, 7 - He also could of done better in the game but he made some really good runs and had a good shot on target, looked lively in centre mid, but once again him and the whole team needed to improve.

Scannell, 7 - This guy is getting to much stick, he really is, i think he is a good player and does NOT deserve to get all that crap from everyones mouths, he played decent today and at times skinned a few defenders. He is very quick player but needs improving as did everyone today.

Paterson, 6.5 - His first game, didn't train with the lads so i suppose he done ok considering he needs to get used to the team play, everyones names etc. Looked big in the air and looked pretty lively. Hopefully can get goals in the next games.

SUBS

Freedman, 6.5 - Didn't play enough to make an impression but the time he played, he looked good! Running alot after the ball, made some good passes and needed more time to give a proper impression, deserves more games!

Spencer, 6.5 - He also needed more time to make an impression, but i am liking this lad he is very energetic and runs alot, trying to make good runs and can see his effort on the pitch. Looking forward to seeing more from him and i wanted him to start in today's game.

Walker, 6 - Didn't play bad he tricked the defence at times, needs a lot of improving i just hope he doesn't leave and do a gary hooper on us. He is a quick player and i still think there is more from him to serve us, needs more time.

 

[Richard_Cadette]

Yes he was - although if you wanted to be picky it was Macca's first shocking attempt from Scannells cross that led to Laurent hitting one of the flats behind the stand!:whistling:

This is true, but even the most loyal Macca dan would have a hard time calling that an "assist" :)

 

[Angell Delight]

Francis 7: Did quite well I thought and matched up to Harrold well. Was he marking him from the corner that allowed the ginger one to miss from five yards though?

Personally I thought we looked awful defensively today, and none more so than in the middle and in the air.

I really can't understand playing Franno at CB and Sankofa RB at home when we need Franno's creativity going forward. He's not a centre-back. I can only assume he played there today because of Harrold's height, I hope so anyway.

 

[Strykr]

most of its been already said, but for those who were not there it was a classic old div 4 game, the lack of basic ability from both teams was at times numbing, and left me bemused at the fact that these guys are actually being paid!!
things like trapping the ball, controlling, finding your man with a pass, positional play, heading, finishing, were all absent, it really was like watching a non league game, wycombe were dung, so were we, it really was quite embarrasing as a league one football game. playoffs? promotion? mid table? relegation scrap?it really doesnt matter when the overall standard is so low, the only result of football of this "quality" is a lower gate over time, and a lowering of the clubs and tilsons good rep that we've built over the last few years.

cant be bothered to rate them all
mildy - some good saves, but some shocking kicking, and catch the ball ffs
malone - passing/crossing sharp in the first half - way to sharp for the rest of the squad
Osei - nice cross
francis - our entire game plan seems to be "give the ball to francis"
moussa - blah
grant - endeavour
macca- good/childish petulance
barrett - captain of a side that were unfortunely pants today.
scannel -worst display for him
laurent - your not pele, less is more
paterson - shouldnt have been up there alone, zero service, no chance

freedman- rob newman esque pace, but no chin to match
walker - as someone else said, came on fell over, i so want him to do well whenever he comes on, but alas he doesnt
spencer - should have started, didnt do much, but still should have started

tilly/brush, im a huge fan, but it was all just wrong today,
barnard - missed
weather 0 , the football was as grey as the sky.will be glad to see the back of january,

there was also some **** behind me who had a go at Hunt, Harrold, Scannel, betsy then moved on to macca, francis, Patterson, scannell, barrett, tilson,
sure everyones got the right to voice there opinion, but i just dont understand what part of a personality gets its kicks out of abusing everyone.

the quality isnt there, rose tints just hope that the squad or new formation gels, we need an improvement to stay up.

it really was poor,

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

I honestly think some people judge players performances on what has gone before, rather than being able to forget the past, and offer opinions on purely what they see.

I am not a fan of Sankofa - In fact, I have thought him to be a very, very poor signing by Tilly, but today, he was IMO outstanding, and easily our Man of the Match, and yet only one other person on here has recognised how well he played, and givin him a rating of 7. Going forward, especially in the first half, he was superb - overlapping, running past their full back, and delivering some wonderful crosses, only for our lack of bodies to cost us from taking advantage.

I usually shake with fear when Sankofa is playing right back, and it almost always results in us being completely stifled going forward on the right, but today was an exception, and he has to receive enormous praise for doing something which obviously does not come natrually to him.

I'm glad someone is finally giving Sankofa some credit. He did his job defensively and going forward he set up the goal when he called for the ball from Macca and delivered an absolutely brilliant cross back onto the head of McCormack. Yet people are still giving him a 5 or a 6.

What more does he have to do? It wasn't as if that was his only decent cross of the game either.


My ratings

Mildenhall 8 - one uncertain moment punching, but one world class save first half with his boot courtesy of exceptional positioning and being a proper size for a keeper, and a spectacular save second half. Some of his passes go out of play, but some are also inch perfect 60 yard balls like the one for Scannell.
Sankofa 7 - solid enough defensively and a brilliant cross. Overlapped better than his reputation suggested.
Malone 6.5 - a mixed performance, but probably more good than bad
Barrett 5.5 - struggled with the movement and intelligence of Harrold and Betsy
Francis 6 - balls played up to Harrold seemed to stick up front
McCormack 7 - his best display for 12 months capped off with a goal in a move he started and finished. Sadly he then packed up for the afternoon, having presumably having thought he'd done enough to impress any watching scouts. Was at fault for the goal when he conceded a ridiculous free-kick. Shame as for an hour or so he looked like the Macca of old
Moussa 6.5 - we looked better when he was getting on the ball, but had little opportunity to showcase his range of passing with a chronic lack of movement in midfield and the likes of Scannell and laurent running off-side and had to resort to long range digs instead
Grant 6 - his worst game for a while. He looked crowded out in midfield by his own team-mates
Laurent 4 - a truly awful miss came as no surprise in a game where the ball repeatedly went over or under his foot.
Scannell 5.5 - run about to little effect. His lack of a left-foot hurt him on the left-wing.
Paterson (no mark) - I'll save judgement until he gets some service. The first half should have been an opportunity to get to know his new team-mates, but no-one seemed to come within 30 yards of him. Doesn't look like a forward who can play the lone role up front, but then our midfield didn't look like being able to play 4-5-1 either.

 

[Ulysses]

Mildenhall 8 MOM
Francis 7
Malone 6.5
Barrett 7
Sankofa 7.5
Moussa 6.5
Macca 7.5
Grant 7
Scannell 6.5
Laurent 7
Paterson 7

Subs
Walker 5
Freedman 5
Spencer 5

Tilson 2.5 (totally negative tactics playing 4-5-1 at home to the team 2nd from bottom)

 

[Swiss Tony]

Wiggy? What the hell are you on about! Mildenhall was the only reason we got a point today with some fantastic saves. If he didn't could out and "palm fist" (I believe they call it punching) then they could have had an effort at goal. He did miss-kick a couple of times but did you actually see the state of the pitch. The ball didn't bounce on parts of it.

Seriously people, can you stop expecting miracles from the players. Some of the so-called 'fans' at the game were so impatient that they just got angry when Laurent didn't skin 5 players, cross it to Patterson who would score with an overhead kick! I swear that most 'supporters' want us to lose so that they can have the satisfaction of moaning. This is league one not the premiership. We are trying to build an attack and your just going "hurry up, your crap", "shoot! .... why did you shoot!". Some were shouting at Spencer to shoot when he had 3 players in front of him and then got annoyed because he tried to make some space. Either get behind the team or p*ss off and support West Ham!

Give it a rest mate,i'm sure Tilly and Ron have read your comments,and aim to give you a loyalty medal some day soon.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

most of its been already said, but for those who were not there it was a classic old div 4 game, the lack of basic ability from both teams was at times numbing, and left me bemused at the fact that these guys are actually being paid!!
things like trapping the ball, controlling, finding your man with a pass, positional play, heading, finishing, were all absent, it really was like watching a non league game, wycombe were dung, so were we, it really was quite embarrasing as a league one football game. playoffs? promotion? mid table? relegation scrap?it really doesnt matter when the overall standard is so low, the only result of football of this "quality" is a lower gate over time, and a lowering of the clubs and tilsons good rep that we've built over the last few years.

cant be bothered to rate them all
mildy - some good saves, but some shocking kicking, and catch the ball ffs
malone - passing/crossing sharp in the first half - way to sharp for the rest of the squad
Osei - nice cross
francis - our entire game plan seems to be "give the ball to francis"
moussa - blah
grant - endeavour
macca- good/childish petulance
barrett - captain of a side that were unfortunely pants today.
scannel -worst display for him
laurent - your not pele, less is more
paterson - shouldnt have been up there alone, zero service, no chance

freedman- rob newman esque pace, but no chin to match
walker - as someone else said, came on fell over, i so want him to do well whenever he comes on, but alas he doesnt
spencer - should have started, didnt do much, but still should have started

tilly/brush, im a huge fan, but it was all just wrong today,
barnard - missed
weather 0 , the football was as grey as the sky.will be glad to see the back of January,

there was also some **** behind me who had a go at Hunt, Harrold, Scannel, betsy then moved on to macca, francis, Patterson, scannell, barrett, tilson,
sure everyones got the right to voice there opinion, but i just dont understand what part of a personality gets its kicks out of abusing everyone.

the quality isnt there, rose tints just hope that the squad or new formation gels, we need an improvement to stay up.

it really was poor,

I suppose that if you're talking about the weather, there could be an improvement...................if it's for the football I don't suggest that you look at the fixture list for February. ;)

 

[GBJ]

Did you actually watch the game? He ran around, gave 100% and showed that he has passion which is something that some of our players lack.

No he didn't. He was ****ing appauling

 

[watchtheballboys]

Wycombe ~ why?

Absolutely atrocious performance!