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The guy had a strong smell of alcohol around him, but its difficult to assess when they are unconscious as to what is causing it. Another concern to the club is what happens if the Health and Safety brigade become involved.
 
The guy had a strong smell of alcohol around him, but its difficult to assess when they are unconscious as to what is causing it. Another concern to the club is what happens if the Health and Safety brigade become involved.

Agreed --- please don't let it be known he slipped on some onions that fell out of a burger.
 
As I was leaving the East I saw the guy being stretchered away. Really looked in a very bad way.
 
As I was leaving the East I saw the guy being stretchered away. Really looked in a very bad way.
Not allowed to divulge to much but can say he is in a serious condition, and all joking apart I hope he makes a full recovery, because it makes no difference on whether he should, or should not have been where he was to a Health and Safety jobsworth.
 
Maybe the club needs to think about ways of stopping people from even getting to these places to fall off...
 
Which is what I keep saying. Do keep up. Whatever state he was in, he was doing something wrong at the time. Ok, he didn't deserve to end up in ITU but if he hadn't been doing what was wrong then he wouldn't have fallen off the wall would he? Basic common sense really.

I think you are being a bit economical with the truth here, your post actually states that you assume he was drunk

I understand your view part, especially the bit on A'&E wards, but personally I think what you are saying is very harsh. I understand that someone who smokes and gets cancer may be 'to blame' , but I still have sympathy for them
 
Indeed, can't believe what I've read
No of course you can't because you are always so quick to judge me. I've stated all along that drink is a problem in the poor judgement of many. I stand by that here...IF the guy was drunk then his judgement was impaired and that may well be a factor to the incident which took place.
 
No of course you can't because you are always so quick to judge me. I've stated all along that drink is a problem in the poor judgement of many. I stand by that here...IF the guy was drunk then his judgement was impaired and that may well be a factor to the incident which took place.

You changed your tone a bit from your original post.

As others have said, we've all done silly things after a few pints - normally we laugh things off the next day and everything is fine. However if that was your son who had fallen off that wall I'm sure you'd be mortified to see sanctimonious and unnecessarily harsh comments like yours. Whatever might have been a cause behind what happened, it's still a horrible event and they have my best wishes that they'll fully recover.
 
You changed your tone a bit from your original post.

As others have said, we've all done silly things after a few pints - normally we laugh things off the next day and everything is fine. However if that was your son who had fallen off that wall I'm sure you'd be mortified to see sanctimonious and unnecessarily harsh comments like yours. Whatever might have been a cause behind what happened, it's still a horrible event and they have my best wishes that they'll fully recover.
How? I respect Lee's best intentions, but this is what I said first off
I am assuming the guy was actually drunk, there are other conditions that can present in a similar way but if he hadn't have drunk so much at what was a relatively early time in the day, it probably wouldn't have happened and if he hadn't been doing something illegal it wouldn't have happened?

Of course people don't want others ending up in ITU but, as with a lot of what goes on with the emergency services, the accident is a result of his own ill judged behaviour and incapacity through drinking too much alcohol. The people I have sympathy for are his family, the ambulance crew and those at Southend Hospital who will be doing their best for him.
I stand by my comments there and since. No-one should be that drunk at 5 o'clock or thereabouts that their judgement is that impaired. I expressed sympathy for the family, but still am more inclined to feel for those that do a fantastic job in clearing up after such incidents.

Why do you reckon that my viewpoint has changed? I've been consistent throughout. Drink is evil. If you can't handle it, don't drink it. That is beside the point that what he was doing was WRONG. It's like defending the people that broke into Tony Martin's house, if they weren't there doing wrong they wouldn't have been shot would they?
 
How? I respect Lee's best intentions, but this is what I said first off

I stand by my comments there and since. No-one should be that drunk at 5 o'clock or thereabouts that their judgement is that impaired. I expressed sympathy for the family, but still am more inclined to feel for those that do a fantastic job in clearing up after such incidents.

Why do you reckon that my viewpoint has changed? I've been consistent throughout. Drink is evil. If you can't handle it, don't drink it. That is beside the point that what he was doing was WRONG. It's like defending the people that broke into Tony Martin's house, if they weren't there doing wrong they wouldn't have been shot would they?

Is that AM or PM ?
 
It's quite probable that it had little to do with drink.

If the casualty was one of the guys who stand at the top of the grass bank in the SE corner at most games then I'm not surprised he fell. That area looks to be about the last remaining bit of the old South Bank just below the old Roots Hall Avenue turnstiles and was part of the original bank that wasn't part of the terracing. My FIL told me of how the South Bank was so slippery during the first season at Roots Hall that at the slightest drop of rain people would slide down it and that was one of the driving forces behind the supporters' working parties building the concrete terracing the following summer, he was one of their number so I had no reason to doubt what he said; in fact my MIL backed up his story by saying he used to come home covered in so much mud she thought he'd been playing, not watching!

If the bank was that slippery back in the day then I'm sure that after the recent steady rain it must have been like a ski slope yesterday and I wouldn't be surprised if he just slid down it and over the wall with the subsequent drop.

Anyway, all conjecture, would just like to say that regardless of cause I would like to wish a fellow follower of the Blues a full recovery.
 
Maybe the club needs to think about ways of stopping people from even getting to these places to
fall off...
I would say as far as the health and safety are concerned, they will take the stand that the club should have already taken measures to make it impossible for anybody to get into such places (drunk or sobber) and will therefor I fear throw the book at SUFC.
 
I would say as far as the health and safety are concerned, they will take the stand that the club should have already taken measures to make it impossible for anybody to get into such places (drunk or sobber) and will therefor I fear throw the book at SUFC.

Unfortunately I think this will prove to be the case. In my line of work I report things to the HSE on a regular basis. With a serious incident like this i'm sure they will be on it like a ton of bricks. It won't matter whether the person was drunk or not to the HSE it will be all about what risk assesments the club had in place and what control measures were taken to reduce the risk of this happening.

The H&S law is the only law in the land where you are deemed guilty until you can prove your innocence!
 

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