Some perspective

[The_Beard]

A lot of nonsence being spouted on here recently, and yes I know that's par for the course, but seems like the crazy went up a few notches so I wanted to put up a counter point to the madness.

The first concept to get your head around is the idea of a rebuild. Rebuilds are not instant, even for a team that hasn't had the issues we have, but has perhaps aged out of being contender for whatever league they're in, in whatever sport they're in. To undo they damage that was done over DECADES will take DECADES. We have not yet progressed from "survive" to "thrive".

The best analogy I can think of for the way some people think on here is: imagine Bob is in a hospital and goes in to cardiac arrest, but is resusitated by the will and skill of the Cardiac Operations Special Unit. Bob is now in recovery, he may have long term physical damage that will require ongoing medical care and physiotherapy. The day after Bob's life saving operation, 6000 idiots burst in to his room demanding he run, and win, the London Marathon.

We are Bob.

The club are twelfth in the league, they're not in immediate danger. Yes, performances have been dire on occasion, but if you're surprised by that as a Southend fan, congrats on attending your first game. My opinion is if we make it out of the National League by the end of the decade, that's probably on track with where a club that came so close to the brink should be.

Those of you that are tearing your hair out because the club aren't challenging for the top spot: adjust your expectations, I promise you, you'll have more fun. Get mad at individual performances, for sure, but don't call for wholesale changes to a club that desperately need to stabilize, you'll never be happy.

 

[JD]

Thank god bob survived, we are grateful to those that saved him.
He now needs a stent to make things flow a bit more freely.

 

[BriggBlue]

There was always the likelihood that once the takeover was complete and the common enemy was gone that things would fizzle out a bit.

The club is in a transition period from surviving, to building for the future onto succeeding. Not everyone is suitable to be involved at each phase and at some point our heroes that made sure we survived will need to make way for someone that can push us onto the next stage.

There will be some tough designs throughout the club over the next 6 months and knee-jerk actions can only set us back

 

[dannypav]

Starti

A lot of nonsence being spouted on here recently, and yes I know that's par for the course, but seems like the crazy went up a few notches so I wanted to put up a counter point to the madness.

The first concept to get your head around is the idea of a rebuild. Rebuilds are not instant, even for a team that hasn't had the issues we have, but has perhaps aged out of being contender for whatever league they're in, in whatever sport they're in. To undo they damage that was done over DECADES will take DECADES. We have not yet progressed from "survive" to "thrive".

The best analogy I can think of for the way some people think on here is: imagine Bob is in a hospital and goes in to cardiac arrest, but is resusitated by the will and skill of the Cardiac Operations Special Unit. Bob is now in recovery, he may have long term physical damage that will require ongoing medical care and physiotherapy. The day after Bob's life saving operation, 6000 idiots burst in to his room demanding he run, and win, the London Marathon.

We are Bob.

The club are twelfth in the league, they're not in immediate danger. Yes, performances have been dire on occasion, but if you're surprised by that as a Southend fan, congrats on attending your first game. My opinion is if we make it out of the National League by the end of the decade, that's probably on track with where a club that came so close to the brink should be.

Those of you that are tearing your hair out because the club aren't challenging for the top spot: adjust your expectations, I promise you, you'll have more fun. Get mad at individual performances, for sure, but don't call for wholesale changes to a club that desperately need to stabilize, you'll never be happy.

Starting a thread that's titled 'Some Perspective' is downright crazy talk on here

 

[Cricko]

Starti

Starting a thread that's titled 'Some Perspective' is downright crazy talk on here

Why is that, i respect others opinions, just because the majority are not happy does not mean there cannot be other perspectives. That is why we are here. I disagree with a lot of the OP comments but they are entilted to them.

 

[Mad Cyril]

A better analogy would be that Bob left hospital and went straight back to smoking 40 a day and eating Rustlers burgers in front of daytime TV documentaries about The SAS and Nazis.

 

[blues exile]

Just know your place, close your eyes to what's happening, have faith, patience and trust in those who know best and everything will be fine in ten years time. Condescending, patronising and just plain wrong.

 

[RobB11]

A lot of nonsence being spouted on here recently, and yes I know that's par for the course, but seems like the crazy went up a few notches so I wanted to put up a counter point to the madness.

The first concept to get your head around is the idea of a rebuild. Rebuilds are not instant, even for a team that hasn't had the issues we have, but has perhaps aged out of being contender for whatever league they're in, in whatever sport they're in. To undo they damage that was done over DECADES will take DECADES. We have not yet progressed from "survive" to "thrive".

The best analogy I can think of for the way some people think on here is: imagine Bob is in a hospital and goes in to cardiac arrest, but is resusitated by the will and skill of the Cardiac Operations Special Unit. Bob is now in recovery, he may have long term physical damage that will require ongoing medical care and physiotherapy. The day after Bob's life saving operation, 6000 idiots burst in to his room demanding he run, and win, the London Marathon.

We are Bob.

The club are twelfth in the league, they're not in immediate danger. Yes, performances have been dire on occasion, but if you're surprised by that as a Southend fan, congrats on attending your first game. My opinion is if we make it out of the National League by the end of the decade, that's probably on track with where a club that came so close to the brink should be.

Those of you that are tearing your hair out because the club aren't challenging for the top spot: adjust your expectations, I promise you, you'll have more fun. Get mad at individual performances, for sure, but don't call for wholesale changes to a club that desperately need to stabilize, you'll never be happy.

We lost to sittingbourne.

 

[PIERS]

A better analogy would be that Bob left hospital and went straight back to smoking 40 a day and eating Rustlers burgers in front of daytime TV documentaries about The SAS and Nazis.

Whilst , depending on his political persuasion, reading either the mail or Guardian over his morning vodka

 

[The_Beard]

Just know your place, close your eyes to what's happening, have faith, patience and trust in those who know best and everything will be fine in ten years time. Condescending, patronising and just plain wrong.

Don't think I said any of those things. Mad what people will read in to something to justify their own agenda.

I do think two thirds of the way into the first season of a rebuild is bit early to start thinking about starting another one though. Would love to see you pick the fallacies out of that.

 

[Roger The Alien]

A lot of nonsence being spouted on here recently, and yes I know that's par for the course, but seems like the crazy went up a few notches so I wanted to put up a counter point to the madness.

The first concept to get your head around is the idea of a rebuild. Rebuilds are not instant, even for a team that hasn't had the issues we have, but has perhaps aged out of being contender for whatever league they're in, in whatever sport they're in. To undo they damage that was done over DECADES will take DECADES. We have not yet progressed from "survive" to "thrive".

The best analogy I can think of for the way some people think on here is: imagine Bob is in a hospital and goes in to cardiac arrest, but is resusitated by the will and skill of the Cardiac Operations Special Unit. Bob is now in recovery, he may have long term physical damage that will require ongoing medical care and physiotherapy. The day after Bob's life saving operation, 6000 idiots burst in to his room demanding he run, and win, the London Marathon.

We are Bob.

The club are twelfth in the league, they're not in immediate danger. Yes, performances have been dire on occasion, but if you're surprised by that as a Southend fan, congrats on attending your first game. My opinion is if we make it out of the National League by the end of the decade, that's probably on track with where a club that came so close to the brink should be.

Those of you that are tearing your hair out because the club aren't challenging for the top spot: adjust your expectations, I promise you, you'll have more fun. Get mad at individual performances, for sure, but don't call for wholesale changes to a club that desperately need to stabilize, you'll never be happy.

Watching boring football is not our aim, it’s very hard to look forward to a match, especially we be watching a dull, uninspiring and awful football, that we never look like coming back once we are 1-0 down. It’s seem the players chucking the towel far too easily.

 

[The_Beard]

A better analogy would be that Bob left hospital and went straight back to smoking 40 a day and eating Rustlers burgers in front of daytime TV documentaries about The SAS and Nazis.

I think the point your missing is: Bob hasn't left the hospital yet.

If in 25 years time we've been relegated three times and Justin is caught on webcam calling fans idiots you've every right to throw a custard pie in my face.

 

[Seaside Shrimper]

We lost to sittingbourne.

yeah we did. Didnt Man utd get beaten by us once? Did Plymouth just beat Liverpool? Not nice when it's you (us) but it is football and it happens.

Rebuilds take time, I think, given what Kev and Co did against all the odds over the last couple of seasons, I am willing to give him time to turn around what is clearly an underperforming and inconsistent team.

'Fans' that are suggesting they will give up their season tickets because of an up and down first season of a new era bore me. One less person booing a young team trying to forge their way at a club brought back to life a few months ago wont be missed from my experience of watching Southend.

Im'm backing a 2-0 win on Tuesday night. Kendal and GSM to score

 

[Supershrimper]

Using the analogy of the hospitals

Bob needs to stop being so defensive and go for it once in a while. If there is a medical team and they are holding bob back by being overly cautious rather than allowing him to test himself then perhaps what is required is a change of medical team.

Bob is looking to leave hospital after his major surgery. Care plans have been put in place to ensure he doesn't get himself into that position again, but the same doctors that nursed him through wouldn't be the same ones that would then help him get back on his feet and being upwardly mobile.

Soon bob is going to have to cut ties with the medical team that kept him ticking over, but he needs to be passed to a physio or too to ensure that he starts to regain mobility

 

[Grayson]

Nice to see another perspective, and a well-reasoned one. But why have the same people that spam every other thread with their repeated views raced onto this one as well? It's so tiresome, I feel for the mods.

 

[Dutch Branch]

A lot of nonsence being spouted on here recently, and yes I know that's par for the course, but seems like the crazy went up a few notches so I wanted to put up a counter point to the madness.

The first concept to get your head around is the idea of a rebuild. Rebuilds are not instant, even for a team that hasn't had the issues we have, but has perhaps aged out of being contender for whatever league they're in, in whatever sport they're in. To undo they damage that was done over DECADES will take DECADES. We have not yet progressed from "survive" to "thrive".

The best analogy I can think of for the way some people think on here is: imagine Bob is in a hospital and goes in to cardiac arrest, but is resusitated by the will and skill of the Cardiac Operations Special Unit. Bob is now in recovery, he may have long term physical damage that will require ongoing medical care and physiotherapy. The day after Bob's life saving operation, 6000 idiots burst in to his room demanding he run, and win, the London Marathon.

We are Bob.

The club are twelfth in the league, they're not in immediate danger. Yes, performances have been dire on occasion, but if you're surprised by that as a Southend fan, congrats on attending your first game. My opinion is if we make it out of the National League by the end of the decade, that's probably on track with where a club that came so close to the brink should be.

Those of you that are tearing your hair out because the club aren't challenging for the top spot: adjust your expectations, I promise you, you'll have more fun. Get mad at individual performances, for sure, but don't call for wholesale changes to a club that desperately need to stabilize, you'll never be happy.

Firstly, please give our regards to Bob . However, all we want is for Kev to play 3 up front mate

 

[Avl1983]

I think the percentage of fans unhappy with COSU is tiny in comparison with the percentage unhappy with the management and style of play. I agree our players aren't good enough but I also think under a more attacking style of play with more freedom we'd be more exciting and would certainly score more goals.

As I've said previously, me personally, I think the issue is that - the management and style of play, not COSU. Not even most of the players, so perspective is needed but in reality you could use the same tools and get a better result currently so I understand the fans being unhappy. I don't however agree with any criticism of COSU, I'm sure they've made one or two mistakes and they likely will again but I think their intentions are definitely in the right place and we're lucky to have them.

People are just so frustrated at one of the best parts of their lives currently being destroyed by Maher's defensive, boring football. Going to watch Southend is one of the highlights of a very stressful life for me personally and it's such a shame it's no fun to watch at the moment. Careful if you shout 'shoot' as well as the lovely man in charge might throw a tantrum.

 

[Avl1983]

Nice to see another perspective, and a well-reasoned one. But why have the same people that spam every other thread with their repeated views raced onto this one as well? It's so tiresome, I feel for the mods.

The thread is pretty much aimed at the people being negative, so surely it's only natural they reply? Great to hear different view points but you can't have one without the other?

 

[TrevorFitzpatrickHattrick]

I'm guilty of expecting the pace of transition to be quicker, and I'd assume many other supporters feel the same way. We all know how close the club was to the brink of extinction, how badly Southend United were stripped of anything of value and saddled with a barrelful of toxic debt by the previous owner.

I think we can also agree that Kev and the tightly knit team he helped to assemble did a phenomenal job last season and were hindered in recruitment for this campaign because of the time it took for the takeover to complete. I also think it's clear that COSU have set initial expectations as financial prudence/stability and have already made huge strides in improving a number of areas, in some cases prior to even owning the football club.

However, the fanbase rightfully has some significant frustrations. Kev is not getting the best out of the assets at his disposal despite being active in the transfer market recently and having better positional depth than he has had at any juncture of his tenure (despite still being a few players short). Yes, our points haul from the league has been in the upper reaches of the form table lately, but we've been completely exposed by teams with any real quality and have been unconvincing in beating many of the others during that period. Let's be honest, the National League is, in the main, an atrocious league filled with some abysmal teams and we're often one of them. Getting beaten by the likes of Sittingbourne and Maidenhead is slightly different to dropping points against the likes of Brighton and Palace or even Col U and Orient, all of whom we've been divisional rivals of in the not-too-distant past. It's results like the last couple that show just how far we've fallen and, as a result, are the ones that hurt me personally the most. I get that Kev wants to protect his players and not throw them under the bus, but there are facets of our game that are simply not good enough and need addressing. Defending set-pieces and the delivery of our own set-pieces have been woeful all year and need sorting on the training ground. Setting up for a point or to nick a 1-0 win at a team like Maidenhead (f***ing Maidenhead) is unacceptable. These are issues that having nothing to do with Ron Martin, COSU, embargoes or time-consuming takeovers. This squad is better than the performances being served up and Kev needs to address this pronto.

 

[Southend Elvis]

What if Bob starts to soil himself everytime he needs to go, and the medical team say this is going to be normal for 5 years. The medical team require top money to continue to care for Bob, but there is a possibility Bob will never stop and could even develop a severe case of tourets.
I would consider, leaving Bob on the A127 with no lights, or delivery him to Colchester....