Sebastian Weetabix
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I would happily put the rope around a murderers neck and pull the lever. Just call me Sebastian Pierpoint.
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Should we bring back the death penalty
- Thread starter KrustyTheKray
- Start date
perth shrimper
Coach
An absolute NO to the death penalty for me.
1- How do you show society that killing someone is wrong by killing someone?
2- Would give too much power to the government.
3- Executions often go very wrong and torture is often inflicted instead of punishment ( read 'The Executioners Protocol' ).
4- Corporal punishment doesn't stop murders occuring.
However.......
If someone hurt my daughter......
I'd cut their f%&king face off.
1- How do you show society that killing someone is wrong by killing someone?
2- Would give too much power to the government.
3- Executions often go very wrong and torture is often inflicted instead of punishment ( read 'The Executioners Protocol' ).
4- Corporal punishment doesn't stop murders occuring.
However.......
If someone hurt my daughter......
I'd cut their f%&king face off.
Firestorm
Pedant
An excellent way of balancing the books for the country....[b said:
I don't know the actual costs but lets say 10k for an execution, and I read somewhere that its 40k a year to keep someone in prison. So if we execute everyone who has been sentenced for more than 3 months the country saves a shed load of money.
Also if we were to auction off the executioners role (let the victims or their relatives have their say but at a price) we might even get the cost of that down too.
Some of the money saved could be put back as Tax cuts so all the law abiding citizens benefit.
C C Csiders
Life President
NO to the death penalty.
However, one of the funniest things I've ever (over)heard was in the children's ward at St. John's Hospital in Chelmsford (with my son), shortly after the sad events in Soham four years ago when I heard a female cleaner speaking to a mother of another child in the ward talking about the murders. It went, thus:
MOTHER: I think it's disgusting. I think that when they catch whoever done it, they should be hung (sic)
CLEANER: Yeah! Me too.
MOTHER: Actually, it should be a public hanging
CLEANER: Yeah! And on Sky.
However, one of the funniest things I've ever (over)heard was in the children's ward at St. John's Hospital in Chelmsford (with my son), shortly after the sad events in Soham four years ago when I heard a female cleaner speaking to a mother of another child in the ward talking about the murders. It went, thus:
MOTHER: I think it's disgusting. I think that when they catch whoever done it, they should be hung (sic)
CLEANER: Yeah! Me too.
MOTHER: Actually, it should be a public hanging
CLEANER: Yeah! And on Sky.
DTS
The Business
I am all for it for rapists and murderders....
For example...If Roy Whiting the bloke that killed Sarah Payne had been killed after his first offence then Sarah would be here today.
As it is he has raped a few kids and killed one and we as tax payers depsite no contest about is guilt must now keep him alive costing us god knows how much.
I think advances in technology now make it a lot more clear but that it was before with the infamous Derek Bentley story etc etc so i think its the correct way.
May act as more of a deterant than say 10 years easy labour.
DtS
For example...If Roy Whiting the bloke that killed Sarah Payne had been killed after his first offence then Sarah would be here today.
As it is he has raped a few kids and killed one and we as tax payers depsite no contest about is guilt must now keep him alive costing us god knows how much.
I think advances in technology now make it a lot more clear but that it was before with the infamous Derek Bentley story etc etc so i think its the correct way.
May act as more of a deterant than say 10 years easy labour.
DtS
canveyshrimper
R.I.P
Not wanting to be a smart arse DtS, but you are getting a bit confused on the Derek Bentley case. Bentley didn't pull the trigger which killed the policeman, but as he was over 18 he was hung, the bloke who did kill the policeman was only 17 I think, and too young to hang. He served a sentence and is today a free man.[b said:
Bentley was guilty by association, I don't think that is reason to apply the death penalty.
Hong Kong Blue
Guest
I'm certain that it would cost much closer to £250,000 than £10,000 to convict someone of a capital offence.
It would almost certainly be appealed to the Court of Appeal and then to the House of Lords, not to even mention the European Courts. The defendant is bound to exhaust every last legal avenue and the court are more likely to allow them to do so, than if they are facing mere imprisonment. Obviously they would still have to be detained during this period, which, looking at the US as an example, would be likely to be measured in years than months. Invariably the defendant would be on legal aid, thus the state would have to pick up the bill for both sides. I'd say £250,000 would be a fair guess of the cost, although that could be on the conservative side and it could easily run much, much higher. How much is the Bloody Sunday inquiry costing?
It would almost certainly be appealed to the Court of Appeal and then to the House of Lords, not to even mention the European Courts. The defendant is bound to exhaust every last legal avenue and the court are more likely to allow them to do so, than if they are facing mere imprisonment. Obviously they would still have to be detained during this period, which, looking at the US as an example, would be likely to be measured in years than months. Invariably the defendant would be on legal aid, thus the state would have to pick up the bill for both sides. I'd say £250,000 would be a fair guess of the cost, although that could be on the conservative side and it could easily run much, much higher. How much is the Bloody Sunday inquiry costing?
sufcintheprem
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I reckon there should have been only two options at the top of this poll. It should have either been yes/no or yes but not sure/no but not sure. Anyone who's just gone for not sure really should have some sort of orientation on this. Think of the worst crime someone can commit and then decide whether they should be capitally punished.
Personally I think that in an ideal situation we would have some sort of capital punishment in place. I don't like the idea of condemning someone so heavily but then I am convinced that some people deserve some form of retribution if their rehabilitation is so unlikely.
However, with all the red tape surrounding most serious convictions these days, it seems the amount of time and taxpayer's money it would take would be too excessive to have any sort of efficiency with most offenders, presumably, being held in the same way that they are at the moment.
If we had any sort of system to base it on that had no recorded wrongly executed prisoners and could show that the punishment actually worked as a deterrent then maybe we could have a chance. As it is, the US seems to be the only comparable nation with the death penalty but I for one am still far from convinced that the the death penalty is effective in spite of Michael Moore.
Personally I think that in an ideal situation we would have some sort of capital punishment in place. I don't like the idea of condemning someone so heavily but then I am convinced that some people deserve some form of retribution if their rehabilitation is so unlikely.
However, with all the red tape surrounding most serious convictions these days, it seems the amount of time and taxpayer's money it would take would be too excessive to have any sort of efficiency with most offenders, presumably, being held in the same way that they are at the moment.
If we had any sort of system to base it on that had no recorded wrongly executed prisoners and could show that the punishment actually worked as a deterrent then maybe we could have a chance. As it is, the US seems to be the only comparable nation with the death penalty but I for one am still far from convinced that the the death penalty is effective in spite of Michael Moore.
Sebastian Weetabix
Manager
Mysterious circles you do move in Kenneth. Whats he doing a week Thursday and does he do requests?
Bielzibubz
President
No....but on the whole judicial front I'd go for the following
Child rapists/murderers.
Life. ie meaning you take your last breath locked away in a 6 x 6 cell, no window, no assosiation with other inmates, no access to the outside world....in other words a social and mental death without actually taking the life. Sod human rights and reabilitation.
Pre-meditated murder.
Life. as above but with social inclusion and a certain amount everyday living 'perks'.
Adult rape.
Life. as above but with chemical castration.
For all other offences. (excluding motoring)
Three stikes and your out!..10 years...simple as that.
If this means building 20 new 5,000 inmate secure prisons then so be it.
Unfortunately none of the above will ever happen in my lifetime due the politically correct, Guardian reading, nanny run state we find ouselves living in:angry:
Child rapists/murderers.
Life. ie meaning you take your last breath locked away in a 6 x 6 cell, no window, no assosiation with other inmates, no access to the outside world....in other words a social and mental death without actually taking the life. Sod human rights and reabilitation.
Pre-meditated murder.
Life. as above but with social inclusion and a certain amount everyday living 'perks'.
Adult rape.
Life. as above but with chemical castration.
For all other offences. (excluding motoring)
Three stikes and your out!..10 years...simple as that.
If this means building 20 new 5,000 inmate secure prisons then so be it.
Unfortunately none of the above will ever happen in my lifetime due the politically correct, Guardian reading, nanny run state we find ouselves living in:angry:
Shrimper2thecore
Members
I agree in not trusting the system, but if you think they rot then you are mad my friend, they get a cushtie life inside!
Slipperduke
The Camden Cad
They might have nice tellies, but I'd much rather have the chance to go stretch my legs for a bit.[b said:
That said, if they gave me solitary, a really powerful laptop, internet connection and FM2006, I'd probably consider a six month stretch and just recharge the batteries for a bit. I never get any time to myself these days...
KrustyTheKray
President
Has anyone who writes on here actually done time at Her Majesty's Pleasure??[b said:
Lets have your thought's and opinions as to what life is like on the inside!
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