Should The Mail Say Sorry?

[Hotman]

Tax avoidance was big news at the time - though it seems to have gone quiet on that front. There is a qualitive difference between pointing out someone is currently using offshore accounts to pay less tax (and this is money Cameron Jr will inherit ) and accusing someone of hating the country they fought for, using a photo of their grave and gate crashing a relative's memorial service. But in both cases it is unfair to make judgements on someone based on their relatives.

Agreed, but it isn't unfair to make judgements on someone based on their role models that they make a point of announcing. Let's just say I announced Hitler was my role model. I think you'd make a judgement on me, and rightly so

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Tax avoidance was big news at the time - though it seems to have gone quiet on that front. There is a qualitive difference between pointing out someone is currently using offshore accounts to pay less tax (and this is money Cameron Jr will inherit ) and accusing someone of hating the country they fought for, using a photo of their grave and gate crashing a relative's memorial service. But in both cases it is unfair to make judgements on someone based on their relatives.

Agreed, but it isn't unfair to make judgements on someone based on their role models that they make a point of announcing. Let's just say I announced Hitler was my role model. I think you'd make a judgement on me, and rightly so

It seems to me (as *** suggests), that there is indeed a world of difference between reporting accurately on one political leader's father's tax avoidance arrangements for his son, (stressing that these arrangements, although in an offshore tax haven,-in the Isle of Man, IIRC- were perfectly legal and stating that another political leader's father "hated Britain",based on flimsy juvenile evidence, while also declaring him "evil", without a shred of substantial supporting evidence.

Hitler was evil.Ralph Miliband wasn't.

 

[Dick Bate's Protege]

Looks like the biggest loser in all this might well be Mehdi Hasan; what a naive tit.

I must say that as much as I'd rather chew my own arms off than vote Labour, I do admire Red Ed's cajones. He charges into a fight with gay abandon; Blair would've probably agreed with the Mail and denounced his parents if it meant telling people what they wanted to hear.

Just think ultimately, Miliband's desire to give it the Charles Bronson when mixing it with the press will cost him big time in the run up to the election.

 

[Hotman]

Looks like the biggest loser in all this might well be Mehdi Hasan; what a naive tit.

I must say that as much as I'd rather chew my own arms off than vote Labour, I do admire Red Ed's cajones. He charges into a fight with gay abandon; Blair would've probably agreed with the Mail and denounced his parents if it meant telling people what they wanted to hear.

Just think ultimately, Miliband's desire to give it the Charles Bronson when mixing it with the press will cost him big time in the run up to the election.

Indeed - Hasan has been proven to be like everyone else on the left - principled until it affects their own pocket.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ily-Mail-Question-Time-asked-write-paper.html

Didn't realise that being turned down for a job could upset someone so much!

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Looks like the biggest loser in all this might well be Mehdi Hasan; what a naive tit.

I must say that as much as I'd rather chew my own arms off than vote Labour, I do admire Red Ed's cajones. He charges into a fight with gay abandon; Blair would've probably agreed with the Mail and denounced his parents if it meant telling people what they wanted to hear.

Just think ultimately, Miliband's desire to give it the Charles Bronson when mixing it with the press will cost him big time in the run up to the election.

Indeed - Hasan has been proven to be like everyone else on the left - principled until it affects their own pocket.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ily-Mail-Question-Time-asked-write-paper.html

Didn't realise that being turned down for a job could upset someone so much!

I saw Mehdi Hasan on Question Time last week.He was genuinely impressive.Much more so that Yvette Cooper.

 

[Benfleet A1]

I found this to be quite interesting. Food for thought if you are a floating voter.

http://http://thebackbencher.co.uk/labour-the-party-that-hates-britain/

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I found this to be quite interesting. Food for thought if you are a floating Tory voter.

http://http://thebackbencher.co.uk/labour-the-party-that-hates-britain/

Corrected for you.:winking:

 

[Benfleet A1]

Perhaps I should have put If you are a brainwashed, blinkered Labour voter. You know, seeing an arguement from both sides is far healthier than following the herd all the time.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Perhaps I should have put If you are a brainwashed, blinkered Labour voter. You know, seeing an arguement from both sides is far healthier than following the herd all the time.

The last time I voted in the UK in 1997, (a proxy vote), I voted Lib Dem.I couldn't stomach Blair,even then.That's hardly following the crowd.

 

[londonblue]

Personally, I think it is ridiculous for Milibland to be coming out with this now, every politician knows when they take public office that they become a person open to ridicule, and by association, so do their family. I smell a faint whiff of hypocrisy here in Milibum's protesting.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't you been voted onto the Shrimpers Trust? So would you be happy with us delving into yours, and your family's past?

And don't start with the argument that the two aren't comparable. You're right, they're not, but the principle is the same.

Or can I smell the whiff of hypocrisy here too?

 

[londonblue]

Says the man put on moderated posting.

Clearly they agreed with my points then...

No. They just believed them to be inoffensive.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

I saw Mehdi Hasan on Question Time last week.He was genuinely impressive.Much more so that Yvette Cooper.

Once again completely ignoring the fact he is clearly a hypocrite however "genuinely impressive"

 

[OldBlueLady]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't you been voted onto the Shrimpers Trust? So would you be happy with us delving into yours, and your family's past?

And don't start with the argument that the two aren't comparable. You're right, they're not, but the principle is the same.

Or can I smell the whiff of hypocrisy here too?

How can I not start with the fact that it's incomparable? If I was paid the kind of money to work on Shrimpers Trust business as politicians are paid to do their job then there might be some value in you making that comparison. As I don't, then it IS a ridiculous thing to say.

Why do you assume I am being hypocritical when you have no earthly way of knowing, or is it that you are too firmly convinced in your opinion about me that you clearly seem to know what I think behind every post I make?

Prejudiced or what?

 

[londonblue]

You put yourself forward on a public body for the betterment of (part of) society. In your view you have therefore made yourself fair game. Except it doesn't apply to you.

Hypocrite.

 

[Dick Bate's Protege]

Miliband is reportedly throwing his love spuds on the table in today's reshuffle by purging what's left of the Blairite's in the Shadow Cabinet.

His shift to the left of late makes you wonder why he bothered going after McCluskey and the Unions in the Summer.

 

[callan]

How can I not start with the fact that it's incomparable? If I was paid the kind of money to work on Shrimpers Trust business as politicians are paid to do their job then there might be some value in you making that comparison. As I don't, then it IS a ridiculous thing to say.

Why do you assume I am being hypocritical when you have no earthly way of knowing, or is it that you are too firmly convinced in your opinion about me that you clearly seem to know what I think behind every post I make?

Prejudiced or what?

Can you confirm how many medals your family won in the second world war?.....also can we have it on record that as far as your concerned your forefathers love the uk and that you are considering a move to canvey island as that is the most 'english' place to live apparently.
You may also chose to put down France in any statement you wish to make.

 

[Hotman]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't you been voted onto the Shrimpers Trust? So would you be happy with us delving into yours, and your family's past?

And don't start with the argument that the two aren't comparable. You're right, they're not, but the principle is the same.

Or can I smell the whiff of hypocrisy here too?

The principle would only really be comparable is she claimed her mum/dad were inspirational blah blah blah.

 

[applelover]

From UK polling report

There are two polls in today’s papers, both showing a five point Labour lead. Opinium in the Observer, conducted mid-week – so both before and after David Cameron’s conference speech – has voting intentions of CON 31%(+2), LAB 36%(nc), LD 7%(nc), UKIP 15%(-2), full tabs here. Meanwhile YouGov’s weekly poll for the Sunday Times has topline figures of CON 33%, LAB 38%, LDEM 11%, UKIP 13%, the sort of place YouGov was before conference. Full tabs are here.

Most of the rest of the YouGov poll deals with the Conservative conference and Ed Miliband vs the Mail. David Cameron’s own rating on doing a good or bad job is slightly up following his conference – 41% now think he is doing a good job as Prime Minister. This is up only 3 points since last week, not significant in itself, but it brings him to his highest score since before the “omnishambles budget” in 2012.

There are rather mixed responses to the rest of the Conservative conference. They don’t seen to be dominating their chosen territory of appealing to “hard-working” people yet – asked which party has the better policies for hard-working people 33% say Labour to the Conservatives’ 24%.

There are also mixed findings on some of the policies highlighted at Conservative conference. There is very widespread (70%) support for forcing the long-term unemployed to do community work or risk losing their benefits and a narrow majority (52%) support stopping benefits for under 25s who are not in work or training (39% oppose). Attitudes to “Help to Buy” though are more uncertain, 43% support the policy, 40% are opposed. Digging a little deeper, 51% think the policy is likely to make it easier for ordinary people to buy a home and 70% think it is likely to increase house prices (which is, of course, not necessarily a good thing). However, 58% of people also think it is likely to risk creating another housing bubble.

In the row between the Mail and Ed Miliband the public come down solidly on the side of Miliband. Even on the principle of writing about and criticising Ralph Miliband’s views and his potential influence on Ed Miliband only 26% of people think that this was acceptable. Asked specifically about the Mail calling Ralph Miliband the “man who hated Britain” just 17% thought the Mail’s language was acceptable, 72% unacceptable. 69% of people think that the Daily Mail should apologise.

78% of people think that Ed Miliband was right to complain to the Mail, and a quarter of people say the way he has reacted to the Mail’s attack has made them view Ed Miliband more positively.

While the Daily Mail’s own readers are more likely than the general public to support the Mail’s actions, overall they still think they were unacceptable. By 50% to 42% Mail readers think it was unacceptable for the paper to write about and criticise Ralph Miliband’s views, and by 60% to 29% they think it was unacceptable to use language like the “man who hated Britain”. 57% of the Mail’s own readers think they should apologise.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Miliband is reportedly throwing his love spuds on the table in today's reshuffle by purging what's left of the Blairite's in the Shadow Cabinet.

His shift to the left of late makes you wonder why he bothered going after McCluskey and the Unions in the Summer.

Actually,it was a B team re-shuffle by both the Tories and Labour.

Byrne had to go,not for being a Blairite but for leaving that stupid note.

Labour's new trio (far from being on the hard left) all have good communication skills,which will be useful in the run up to the 2015 GE.

That attack on Unite was certainly a mistake though.

 

[OldBlueLady]

You put yourself forward on a public body for the betterment of (part of) society. In your view you have therefore made yourself fair game. Except it doesn't apply to you.

Hypocrite.

Stop making this personal! :angry: It's got sod all to do with the debate on this thread!